Mark and Hyrum, sounds good to me! :) But just make sure that the new version of the Guide specifically states that the material that has been moved from the pdf to online is official and legal and that as soon as any updates are done to the Additional Resources or the online FAQ, they become legal, or you will still have those people saying that if it is not in the Guide then they do not have to follow it.
Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
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I plan on making sacrifices to the deadline gods to appease them and ask them to allow Paizo to follow through with these ideas in the time frame they seek. I would like everyone to join me in my daily ritual.
My first offering: George R. R. Martin.
I am interested in how you changed the wording of the Play, Play, Play! rules since I have been tagged as the champion for having that changed.. ;)
I am hoping they are just listing the specific situations where is it allowed and saying that otherwise it does not apply.
Well, Play, Play, Play is still fairly vague, but going from "Never turn away players!" to "Try not to ever turn away players" is an improvement and takes some of the burden off the GM for making that decision.
Looks like positive developments. Kudos on the upcoming changes.
Venture-Lieutenant, California—Los Angeles (South Bay)
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I am looking forward to reading through the document that I just downloaded. It seems that it may be slightly shorter than the previous version.
I like the thought of multiple documents as it may make things easier on the players. I would have loved to have had the short document to give out to players at one event that I GMed back in February. (We had a few people new to Pathfinder Society, so I would like to see a commitment to make things easier for new players.)
As for the news on Andoran, I am not surprised. I have often seen a good number of Andoran players besides me when I play and when I DM. At one recent table, four of the players had characters from the Andoran faction. Fortunately, I have seen little open hostility between characters of different factions. (There is some humor, but it is good natured. In the end, we are all gamers who want to have fun. Also, the Pathfinder Society in game does have rules on cooperating with people from diverse backgrounds.)
One way that we can help avoiding turning players away is to have a player or two in a group who can step aside and run some adventures. My group sometimes has a primary GM, a second GM and a back up GM.
I hope that the guide will answer some questions. Thanks to the folks at Paizo for the hard work!
William,
It is shorter because the several pages of Additional Resources are now found online instead of in the Guide.
Also, hopefully turning away players because of a lack of GMs, or breaking the rules by running tables larger than 7 players, should happen less and less the longer the PFS is around. I am sure there are lots more GMs now than two years ago, or even one year ago.
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Venture-Lieutenant, California—Los Angeles (South Bay)
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William,
It is shorter because the several pages of Additional Resources are now found online instead of in the Guide.
Also, hopefully turning away players because of a lack of GMs, or breaking the rules by running tables larger than 7 players, should happen less and less the longer the PFS is around. I am sure there are lots more GMs now than two years ago, or even one year ago.
Thanks. I will make a point to print up the Additional Resources adn add them to my print out of the guide.
As for GMs, I only started playing Pathfinder Society about a year ago after a lull in gaming. So, I would like to encourage any player reading this to consider stepping up and being a GM -- even if you just do so occasionally or just make sure that you can run an adventure in case you need to have a second, third, or fourth table. Organized play can only work if all of us are willing to contribute our time and talents as we see fit.
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Well, Play, Play, Play is still fairly vague, but going from "Never turn away players!" to "Try not to ever turn away players" is an improvement and takes some of the burden off the GM for making that decision.
My Biggest Issue with the Play, Play, Play! rules was when people used them as a reason for playing out of Tier or playing up incorrectly, If that was fixed I would be happy.
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My Biggest Issue with the Play, Play, Play! rules was when people used them as a reason for playing out of Tier or playing up incorrectly, If that was fixed I would be happy.
Talking about Playing-up, I wish they fixed that language in this update, since as written it is not even close to being clear.
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Talking about Playing-up, I wish they fixed that language in this update, since as written it is not even close to being clear.
My Biggest Issue with the Play, Play, Play! rules was when people used them as a reason for playing out of Tier or playing up incorrectly, If that was fixed I would be happy.
You know we agree on that ;)
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All freedom loving people join in the Andoran celebration!
"I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men." - Emiliano Zapata
"It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!" - Emiliano Zapata
Hrmmm. Congratulations on earning the freedom to live in anarchy and starve in the streets. At least in the great empire the coaches ran on time!
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THAT, sir, is some funny stuff! I'll have to remember that! Maybe they should be called the "McEagle" now?! (just joking)That's right. You see that word? Dominating. Three years of it, baby. ANDORAN! ANDORAN! ANDORAN!Meh. Andoran is like McDonalds: Not very good, but everywhere.
;-)
OK, Andoran is McDonalds, but I guess that makes Taldor Burger King, ever seen their shirts. Yech.
:-)
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I've just read today's blog (or in my case, yesterday's blog, since I'm 9 hours out of synch with most of you).
This does seem to be what the community has been asking for.
I believe this will work best if there is a 'last updated xx/yy/zzzz' statement, and a 'last checked xx/yy/zzzz-no change'. Those allow a player to log on, and see that there's been no change since their PC was last levelled.
I also propose the idea of flagging the upcoming changes, with a countdown of the amnesty period.
A lot of the exasperation has been due to posters feeling the changes have been sprung on them.
Either they feel it cripples their PC, or they hate the idea of sitting down at the con, being pulled up for an illegal PC, and having all eyes on them as they try to frantically rewrite it.
A section should be set up, to hold messages in the form 'On xx/yy/zzzz, [rule A] will change to read [rule A2], all PCs will need to comply by that date.'.
This allows players to get some games in, or run games for GM credits, so they can level up, buy the skill ranks and feats they didn't need before, learn an alternate spell to replace one that no longer stacks, etc.
I think if this were done, most of the negative posts would be moot.
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As the sun has risen quickly over the Nation of Andoren, so will it set in such a speedy way. Freed slaves with no knowledge on how to use their power wisely or to govern their future with the wisdom of the ancients can be likened to a house built by a man that knows nothing of architecture. As such, so will the the Nation of Andoren crumble apart as quickly as it rose.
Their fall will lay the groundwork for the return of the ancient nation of Osirion. From the ancient sands of the desert, a nation will rise up with the power and wisdom of the Ancients and govern the world with a mighty, but just hand, tempered with secrets that have only thought to have been lost.
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Their fall will lay the groundwork for the return of the ancient nation of Osirion. From the ancient sands of the desert, a nation will rise up with the power and wisdom of the Ancients and govern the world with a mighty, but just hand, tempered with secrets that have only thought to have been lost.
And then they will fall as a moderate wind comes by and blows all the sand away.
Andoran, FRAK YEAH!
Here to save the mother frakkin' day now!
Andoran, FRAK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way now!
If that hadn't been done already it should have been!
You look awful familiar to me. Hmmm...
If that hadn't been done already it should have been!
I don't know, but nice duds man, who's your tailor?
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Is there any way to delete an old Guide PDF out your downloads box? (It prevents me from downloading the same-named update.)
(Also: any word on whether or not the PrC Chevalier from P14:Children of the Void will ever be legal? IMO it isn't overpowered, and has great roleplay appeal in that it permits melee fighters other than paladins to have a use for charisma besides diplo checks.)
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Is there any way to delete an old Guide PDF out your downloads box? (It prevents me from downloading the same-named update.)
Mike, I'm not sure I understand your question. When the file is updated and you download it again from your 'My Downloads' page it's always the most currently available version.
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Oh. (That's not obvious, btw.)
Maybe it was older version of the update notice, or maybe my brain is just inventing it. I thought it said something to that effect on the update notice emails, but going back and checking this update the email does not make it clear. I'll pass that feedback along directly as well, as I agree it is slightly non-obvious :)