[OSP] GM PaleDim's PFS# 06-16 Scions of the Sky Key, Part 3 (Inactive)

Game Master PaleDim

By the way, does anyone speak Draconic? Per Meux's involvement in The Solstice Scar B, it says he can use 2 PP to learn Draconic-can that be done at anytime or must it be declared pre-adventure?

I'd allow it to be declared now and used.

Declared!

Ari-Ani speaks Draconic

No voices heard yet, but that will come in handy at some point.

It looks like we're back.

If in Chrome, click the Lock icon next to "Paizo.com" in the address bar, Select "Cookies", and in *that* pop-up click "Remove".

Yay. Got back in. Just required me to delete *all* my cookies, because just deleting the Paizo ones was still missing something important...

That's odd. Paizo can't accept cookies from other domains (or else the internet would be fundamentally insecure). But, glad you're back in!

Yeah, I have no idea, lol.

It just hit me that I rolled an athletics check in Pathfinder...

Hehe, and I sort of unconsciously knew what you meant and didn't notice either :P

Looks like Paizo forums are having trouble with Safari. I was able to log back in under Chrome.

They were having trouble with old cookies, so may you hadn't logged in with chrome in a while (or ever?) anyway? That would explain that.

I'll ping Soleil privately to make sure she got through the Paizo website snafu okay.

I'll give it a few more hours tonight for Magmara (Soleil) and then move us forward.

Poking through their characters on the boards a bit, they haven't posted since Jan 11 with any of them. Hope they're ok and it's just the website glitch that's stymied them...

(There's a player in one of my other games who the last thing anyone heard from her, almost 2 weeks ago, was "Sorry everyone, not feeling very well this weekend." We're kind of worried about her.)

Poking through their characters on the boards a bit, they haven't posted since Jan 11 with any of them. Hope they're ok and it's just the website glitch that's stymied them...

I got Soleil on email who's still have tech problems. I'm noticing this in many of my games actually. Firstly, it is a nasty procedure to put non-technical people through. Secondly, it's taking some people multiple tries (it seems). So, I'm falling down more on the forgiving side.

Poking through their characters on the boards a bit, they haven't posted since Jan 11 with any of them. Hope they're ok and it's just the website glitch that's stymied them...

I hope you hear soon. That can be troubling. Maybe someone knows their email or handle on discord? It's hard to do more than to keep sending periodic, positive check-ins.

I'm back! Thanks for the tech support :=)

wb

Excellent! You haven't missed a ton and we can now proceed to pick up the pace a bit. Worth the wait.

"I guess so." Talethia shrugs. "They don't seem willing to talk, I don't think we're going to get any information out of them without force. Trying to force one if them to talk might bring the whole colony down on us. I don't really feel like fighting off a horde of Kobolds..."

Force, or e.g., cornering them somehow. From the last two modules it's pretty established that Sharrowsmith disturbed the kobolds enough that miners in the area suffered from their attacks. The kobolds are going to generally have a hostile disposition and require heroic convincing, intimidation, or cornering as a way of force if you want them to retain the ability to talk, and the incentive to need to do so.

Is there a check that a character can roll to make semi-educated inferences about what they believe to be the nature of what is truly going on with the statue-after all the successful checks made?

No, in this case the physical description pretty much tells the story. The knowledge details are more or less confirming the "statue" is of a person that would have been in the area recently.

How far are from completing this, I was thinking I might use Ari for a Gameday, but it doesn't seem like we'll be done by the 16th.

We're nearly halfway done. The 16th seems very unrealistic.

That site outage near the beginning really slowed us down :/

@GM what tier are we playing in?

Tier doesn't matter for these current knowledge checks, but it will soon as you venture out. Following back up on that: it's the parties choice to round up or down when the decimal component is 0.5 (not the case, so we round to 3 with or without Talethia). (I misspoke that landing between tiers is a choice, it was just about the rounding).

Going back to the guide, this is our situation:

Quote:

A party of five to seven characters whose APL falls between two subtiers must play the higher tier with the four-character adjustments found throughout the scenario.

Checking myself to make sure the answer doesn't change, yeah 4-5 (and I've been applying that where it matters).

"I must side with Telethia. We do not know if the duration has already expired for her to be saved. And, as we would definitely know if one-or many of us for that matter-would better be served to be restored. But let us make haste and the hopefully have a dose left to apply to her!"

So two of you have said this and the GM has made it unequivocally clear that the woman was "freshly" frozen. Obviously the PCs are suppose to know that applying the salve will work on her if they choose to and I suspect the GM is instructed to provide this information to the players. If Telethia and Meux don't have a more compelling reason not to use the Salve, Ari-Ani will use it. She's the one who has the salve, and she's over by the woman.

Gaskar wont stop you if you want to, just think it's not too important.

Same here.

Okay, are we resolving this before Gaskar leads the team on, or is Ari-Ani gathering everybody back at the statue?

Not to metagame too much, but on second thought, if this is tier 4-5, then I am more concerned about an actual basilisk. Ari-Ani's Fort save is really low, so I am going to be persuaded by he idea we might need all three applications.

But I thought the GM made it so unequivocally clear that the woman is freshly frozen. I am sorry, I guess though it may have been unequivocally clear, I must have unequivocally missed that point-and since some one else unequivocally missed it also...I guess due to human error, it wasn't so unequivocally clear to our characters.

How about next time, when something is made so unequivocally clear and it seems obvious that more than one person unequivocally misses it-you try and type something like:

"Hey guys, I think you may have missed something. I think in the GM;s text said it was clear that the woman had been freshly petrified."

OR actually roleplay it in gam like:

Realizing her two companions have missed the unequivocal FRESHLY state of the woman's condition, she points it out and Ari Ani applies the gel to the statue"

Instead of calling someone out in discussion by quoting their character and, at least, seemingly trying to make someone feel stupid because it was so unequivocally made clear otherwise.

I don't mind if another character goes against the grain-I love that-as long as it is adeptly roleplayed . But even though it was all so unequivocally clear-maybe you can handle the situation a little better next time.

I am sorry that I am so unequivocally dull that I missed it when the GM made it so unequivocally clear that the woman was freshly frozen.

How about next time, when something is made so unequivocally clear and it seems obvious that more than one person unequivocally misses it-you try and type something like:

"Hey guys, I think you may have missed something. I think in the GM;s text said it was clear that the woman had been freshly petrified."

Or you know, maybe repost the GMs text like I did here?

https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivln1/gameplay&page=4#188

Realizing her two companions have missed the unequivocal FRESHLY state of the woman's condition, she points it out and Ari Ani applies the gel to the statue"

The info was given OOC. So roleplaying it in that fashion doesn't really make any sense.

Instead of calling someone out in discussion by quoting their character and, at least, seemingly trying to make someone feel stupid because it was so unequivocally made clear otherwise.

Given that the info was posted twice and you ignored it, I figured you were intentionally/deliberating doing so, for whatever reason.

But even though it was all so unequivocally clear-maybe you can handle the situation a little better next time.

Or, maybe you can just say, "Oh, I missed that, sorry" instead of making a big production out of nothing??

*shrug*

Don't make a big production out of it yourself in the first place

*shrug*

Specifically calling me out by quoting what my character said and then saying it the way you did was making the big deal of how we obviously missed something-regardless of how many times and where it was posted.

And then in discussion following up with "She's the one who has the salve, and she's over by the woman." was almost literally saying "I have the kickball so I make the rules here."

The way you chose to word everything about your post was poorly chosen, bossy, and presented like telling us we're stupid and you know better than everyone else-because you are smarter because you didn't miss anything-and that you're gonna do what you want to do because you can.

And please excuse the poorly structured sentence-I am a simple idiot who cannot pick up on the obvious when a GM unequivocally posts something once...or twice.

Regardless of any retort you my come back with, your post came off as condescending-I do not believe that it was intended-but if you objectively reread how you chose to present your argument-you should at least be able to see how it can be construed that way. And that was mostly what I was trying to convey.

Don't make a big production out of it yourself in the first place

I didn't make a production out of it. I wanted to make sure you both had seen the GMs information because your response didn't make sense and I wanted to hear legitimate reasons why we should save the gel.

I quoted your post because you referenced Telethia, so it was an easy way to capture both thoughts. I also mentioned both of you.

But hey, you clearly want to refuse to accept that any of this was caused by your failure to see posted information in the first place, something that we're probably all guilty of from time to time. I know I often miss information in PbP. On top of that you're trying to attack me on a personal level with mocking posts and beating me about the neck and shoulders with "unequivocal.'

-but if you objectively reread how you chose to present your argument-

I disagree. If you're looking at it from my perspective, information has been shared twice and it looked like two people were intentionally ignoring it as justification for a position contrary to mine. Rather than take it on a personal level, or, simply take a "screw you" attitude, I wanted to confirm that you BOTH at least agreed about what information was presented.

In the end, thinking about it from Ari-Ani's perspective and her awareness of her own frailty, the "save-it-for-ourselves" is/was a more compelling/very legitimate argument. It just took me some time to realize that.

And honestly, I don't know why you're harping on "unequivocally." That seems to have been a trigger word for you and I don't see how/why.

GM PaleDim I apologize for missing the OOC where you unequivocally stated that the Aspis agent was freshly frozen. I hope my post of Meux saying "I must side with Telethia. We do not know if the duration has already expired for her to be saved. And, as we would definitely know if one-or many of us for that matter-would better be served to be restored. But let us make haste and the hopefully have a dose left to apply to her!" after the fact did not ruin the continuity of your story. As you clearly stated the fact beforehand, my post was out of line. I will try and be more diligent on reading your posts in the future-not only out of respect for you, but so no one feels the need to quote me specifically in discussion when I prove how careless I am in this roleplaying effort.

I think my take is just: let's not sweat it too much. Mostly importantly: the story has not been shut down or blocked over this contention and/or misunderstanding. Without giving away too much, there are many opportunities to obtain hints and clues in PFS scenarios and they help build out the bigger picture of why things are happening, or what might be helpful to do next, but I can see that the party is putting together enough to prepare themselves for what comes next. Let's just say that the discovery of the vials at all will likely help *alot*.

Ari-Ani, I hope you didn't mind my repurposing your perception rolls there, given that you rolled so well and that craft(alchemy) can be tried untrained. I didn't want you folks to miss out on that stuff. RP wise, I take it as your character was in fact directly interested in those vials, and your intuition shifted from pure perception to the nature of their contents.

In short, yes there's some more info you can obtain but the main thread is quite intact. Going forward is there is no less ability to have fun seeing what remains and achieving the objectives of the mission. So with that, let's get back to it :)

Ari-Ani, I hope you didn't mind my repurposing your perception rolls there, given that you rolled so well and that craft(alchemy) can be tried untrained.

On the contrary, I appreciate you saving me from my own ignorance on that fact.

Let me apologize to Meux and the others that my attempt to clarify what everyone was understanding was not received as intended.

Ok let me clear the air here. I made a negligent error in missing the ooc. I hate making mistakes. I realize how over-sensitive I got,,,but it's more due to the fact of my oversight-and how I can't bear to live with them-than how I felt I got called out on it. And then I get going...sorry.

Not a problem. I miss stuff in PBP all the time. So do GMs. In fact, GM PaleDim, you forgot that Ari-Ani found that sack of gold back in Room A1. Please add it to my inventory. Thanks.

@Everyone - If I ever post an action that doesn't make sense given information we have, please let me know ASAP.

You know, per the rules, a PC should be allowed to attack on its turn (having to make a saving throw at the start of its action) then close its eyes at the end of it's turn, thus avoiding any possible gaze attack. Sure, the creature will have total concealment, but the player will not be subject to a gaze attack.

this isn't really combat (yet?), we just need timing for the continuous need to avoid gaze. Just to be clear you don't yet sense that it's hostile, you just have to be careful with it in case it would feel threatened and activate the gaze.

So, it's not a trivial decision to choose to attack right now :)

So, theoretically, if it didn't feel threatened, and was happily playing fetch with someone while everyone else passed by, it wouldn't activate its Gaze... Right?

Or, say, if someone was Fascinating it...

But I still think you can get hit by the gaze if you look at it. It might be a short game of Fetch .

Maybe we can lock it in one of the rooms with its toy? Seems like there is some opportunity to befriend it by removing its collar, thought I don't know how many friends a basilisk can hold on to.

Anyone have a spell that can move a light object? Maybe Unseen Servant? We can play keep away and lead it to a room then lock it in.

it does have to activate it's gaze yes. It's not strictly by just looking at it that you're petrified. However, we have to do the checks to see how you are observing in case the worst does happen, and to already know if/how it affects you. E.g., Gaskar missed the 50% check, but he doesn't turn to stone, he's just lucky it wasn't overly irritated at that time :)

I'm happy to be painfully clear here, because this is *not* a thing to have a misunderstanding about :P

Anyone have a spell that can move a light object? Maybe Unseen Servant? We can play keep away and lead it to a room then lock it in.

We tie it to a string and drag it behind us?

I'll wait until Talethia (and others) decides how to use the toy, and then we'll see how it reacts.