The Dragon's Demand, Monsterous Edition (Inactive)

Game Master Azure_Zero

The module is The Dragon's Demand (it's modified), with other modules for follow if the group is up for it when finished

Setting will be a slightly modified Golaron (PF1 era, not PF2 era as it has some stuff that really doesn't make sense)

!Note your Class, will be semi-random as you'll pick 8 classes and I'll randomise which one is used.
See below for details main CC rules for Details of process
If you use a monster class then it'll bypass the randomisation since a Monster class is both Race and Class as well as it'll be eating into a number of levels you could use for classes
The Template given will be based on the answer in the questions below, and you'll know which one you got.
Some templates will be modified from their original version, and in some cases a part can be switched out for something else that fits by the player with something from the ARG's Race maker system.
Know that Non-player Characters will react to your character's appearance, each group will view different races and templates differently.

Now players using a monster class can have their appearance change over the module towards their monster class while keeping something of their template. i.e. a Half-dragon satyr over the course of his monster levels could start looking more like a satyr then a half-dragon.

If you feel a template makes you larger, but not calling for a size increase, then what is described (like say Half-Balor)
You can go for the increased size, BUT it'll only effect space on the map and squeezing, no stat adjustments.
Templates that call for a size increase to large will be pushing the character to a height over 7 or 8 feet tall.
Also Any evil templates and monster classes will not have the evil subtype, as background wise it's been purged, and some race featured flipped.
I'll point out what's been flipped and changed.

It'll start at Level 1

Stats: 15 PB with Weak template, 10 PB with Powerful Template (Min 10 Pre and post base race, Max 16 pre and post base race)
Traits: 2 (no drawbacks, no rich parents trait)
Classes allowed: Core + a few non-core (Alchemist, Oracle, Ninja, Brawler, Warpriest)
Archetypes sources Allowed: APG, ARG(feats and racial traits only), Limited; ACG (Warpriest and Brawler Only)
Races: See Below
Alignment: Non-Evil
Background Skills: Yes (But one has to be; profession(), perform(), or craft())
Starting Cash: Average
Starting HP: Max
Books Allowed: CRB, APC, ARG, ACG, UCom, "Blood Of" companion series (Angel, Fiend, Coven) + ??
Is 3PP or 3.5 material allowed: Not really, some 3.5/3PP content will be given, see Race below

You pick 8 classes, 2 from each sub grouping *(Assault,Skilled,Divine,Arcane) and you can't use the same class twice if it appears in more than one group.

I'll randomise the class, and gender for the character.

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Races:
You can choose from Human, Elf, Half-Elf, Dwarf, Aasimar, Tiefling, or Changling
You'll start with a template for the game based on the answers to the questions gave in the questionaire below along with some dice rolls.
But Monster classes can also be taken, and set both your race and class, the only ones open are as follows;
Astral Deva, Erinyes, Hill Giant, Janni, Ogre, Minotaur, Satyr, and Succubus, along with Nymph and Huldra

!Notice: Aasimars and Tieflings CAN NOT use the Variant Aasimar/Tiefling Abilities racial trait (the d100 table with stat boosts), every other alternate racial trait is fine found in ARG or their respective player's companion book.

*Definitions
Assault = Full BAB, or 3/4 with combat boosting abilities.
Skilled = any class with 6 or 8 skill points per level.
Divine = Any class with divine magic or can cast Cure XX Wounds
Arcane = Any class with arcane magic (Alchemists are in this list)

*Classes in each group
Assault = Alchemist, Barbarian, Bard, Brawler, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Warpriest.
Skilled = Bard, Ranger, Rogue.
Divine = Bard, Cleric, Druid, Oracle, Paladin, Ranger, Warpriest
Arcane = Alchemist, Bard, Sorcerer, Wizard.

Ninja == Rogue

Almost forgot the Questions for the template selection.

Don't forget to pick your 8 classes from the list.
i.e.
Ass/Skill
Barbarian/Brawler/Ninja/Ranger
Div/Arc
Cleric/Oracle/Sorc/Bard

Im very interested...only 1 question...

do we have to randomize gender. Im ok randomizing race or class...but I dont roleplay females as i cant find their 'voice' when I play.

Consider me very interested...both in the game and your unique style of randomizing classes and whatnot.

Im very interested...only 1 question...

do we have to randomize gender. Im ok randomizing race or class...but I dont roleplay females as i cant find their 'voice' when I play.

Nope, the only risk is a few templates that might force a gender....

Consider me very interested...both in the game and your unique style of randomizing classes and whatnot.

All I need is 8 classes like those in Post 2, along with the answer to the questions,

I'll be listening to the Hacknet OST while I randomise player selections and finish the points for answers.

Ok, right now I'm feeling more like a plastic child's toy like a lego figure than a dragon, so pardon the question: I want to make sure I handle this properly...we give you our 8 classes and race, along with the survey questions without the stats, correct? (Hard to build stats if you don't know what you're playing...I think.) Do I have that right?

Questions:
Which of the three does your character prize the most about themselves? (pick two):
Brawn, Brains, or Beauty

Brains and Brawn.

Which environment do you think your character likely enjoy more when trying to relax or wanting to explore? (can choose up to two);
The Desert
The Beach
The Forest
The Mountains
The City

The Forest and The Desert

Which of the four elements do you think matches the Character? (pick one);
Fire, Water, Air, Earth

Earth

Which part of two; Lawful or Chaotic alignment would your character feel a sub conscience pull towards?

Lawful

Which of the 7 deadly sins would your character be most likely tempted; by or commit (pick up to two):
Lust
Gluttony
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Envy
Pride

Pride

Don't forget to pick your 8 classes from the list.

Assault = Paladin or Ranger
Skilled = Rogue or Bard
Divine = Cleric or Druid
Arcane = Sorcerer or Wizard.

is there anything else I need to put in this?

Here's my answers:

Classes
Assault = Alchemist, Monk
Skilled = Bard, Rogue
Divine = Druid, Oracle
Arcane = Sorcerer, Wizard

Questions

Which of the three does your character prize the most about themselves? (pick two):
Brains, Beauty

Which environment do you think your character likely enjoy more when trying to relax or wanting to explore? (can choose up to two);
The Forest, The City

Which of the four elements do you think matches the Character? (pick one);
Fire

Which part of two; Lawful or Chaotic alignment would your character feel a sub conscience pull towards?
Chaotic

Which of the 7 deadly sins would your character be most likely tempted; by or commit (pick up to two):
Gluttony, Pride

Yep, No stats for the start, as you don't know what you'll be starting with.

You build after you know what you got.
So if you picked human and got Barbarian from randomisation along with say the Draconic tempalte, your then starting with a Draconic Human barbarian.
But if you selected a monster class like Satyr and the questions+dice gave you the Half-Celestial template, then your starting with a Half-Celestial satyr.

Questions:

Which of the three does your character prize the most about themselves? (pick two):

Brains & Beauty

Which environment do you think your character likely enjoy more when trying to relax or wanting to explore? (can choose up to two);

The Forest & The Mountains

Which of the four elements do you think matches the Character? (pick one)
Earth

Which part of two; Lawful or Chaotic alignment would your character feel a sub conscience pull towards?
Lawful

Which of the 7 deadly sins would your character be most likely tempted; by or commit (pick up to two):

Wrath & Pride

8 classes

Assault = Fighter, Paladin
Skilled = Bard, Ranger, Rogue
Divine = Cleric
Arcane = Sorcerer, Wizard

Race

Half-Elf
(Though, to be honest, I'd be fine with you randomizing this from the usual PF races if you want, too. Human, Elf, Half-Elf, Dwarf, Half-Orc, Halfling, or Tiefling.

....

Don't forget to pick your 8 classes from the list.

Assault = Paladin or Ranger
Skilled = Rogue or Bard
Divine = Cleric or Druid
Arcane = Sorcerer or Wizard.

is there anything else I need to put in this?

Class Rand

So a Half-satyr Cleric, Don't know what the base is though
Half-satyr is a weak template, so 15 PB to play with.
And it's interesting because Fey generally don't become priests...

I'll likely start getting the templates up tomorrow.
Still needs a base race from the list above.

Here's my answers:

Classes
Assault = Alchemist, Monk
Skilled = Bard, Rogue
Divine = Druid, Oracle
Arcane = Sorcerer, Wizard

....

Fey Touched template is a weak template so 15 PB for stats.

Class Rand
Class1: 4d100 ⇒ (24, 74, 40, 35) = 173 Alchemist, *Monk Rogue or Bard
Class2: 4d100 ⇒ (52, 8, 78, 91) = 229 Druid, Oracle Sorcerer or *Wizard
ClassF: 2d100 ⇒ (84, 40) = 124 *monk, wizard

Fey Touched Monk, with a unknown base race.

Questions:

Which of the three does your character prize the most about themselves? (pick two):

Brains & Beauty

Which environment do you think your character likely enjoy more when trying to relax or wanting to explore? (can choose up to two);

The Forest & The Mountains

Which of the four elements do you think matches the Character? (pick one)
Earth

Which part of two; Lawful or Chaotic alignment would your character feel a sub conscience pull towards?
Lawful

Which of the 7 deadly sins would your character be most likely tempted; by or commit (pick up to two):

Wrath & Pride

8 classes

Assault = Fighter, Paladin
Skilled = Bard, Ranger, Rogue
Divine = Cleric
Arcane = Sorcerer, Wizard

Race

Half-Elf
(Though, to be honest, I'd be fine with you randomizing this from the usual PF races if you want, too. Human, Elf, Half-Elf, Dwarf, Half-Orc, Halfling, or Tiefling.

So a Half-Elf Half-Celestial (one point away from tying with a half-demon template)

Class Rand
Class1: 4d100 ⇒ (86, 77, 25, 99) = 287 Fighter, Paladin Ranger, *Rogue
Class2: 4d100 ⇒ (25, 38, 55, 99) = 217 Cleric or Bard Sorcerer or *Wizard
ClassF: 2d100 ⇒ (22, 20) = 42 *Rogue, Wizard

So a Half-Elf Half-Celestial Rogue.....
Interesting.......

I must say the results are generating some potentially very interesting characters.

Current Char List:
Dread : Half-Satyr Cleric (Base race unknown)
djpika : Fey Touched Monk (base race unknown)
Plastic Dragon : Half-Elf Half-Celestial Rogue

To quote the elusive Dr. Sam Beckett: "Hooboy."
;)

How many characters will you be taking, btw?
Also...what gender are the characters?

How many characters will you be taking, btw?

Also...what gender are the characters?

I'll be taking 4 players

Gender is up to the player unless a race or template is only one gender,
Half-satyr for example is male only.

Classes
assault: barbarian, brawler
skilled: ranger, rogue
divine: druid, oracle
arcane: bard, sorcerer

Questions
Which of the three does your character prize the most about themselves? (pick two):
Brawn, Beauty

Which environment do you think your character likely enjoy more when trying to relax or wanting to explore? (can choose up to two):
Desert, Mountains

Which of the four elements do you think matches the Character? (pick one):
Fire

Which part of two; Lawful or Chaotic alignment would your character feel a sub conscience pull towards?
Chaotic

Which of the 7 deadly sins would your character be most likely tempted by or commit (pick up to two):
Lust, Wrath

As far as race goes, was thinking about tiefling but may change based on what the randomization spits out, if that's fine.

Race: Human

Assult: Monk, Warpriest
Skilled: Bard, Rogue
Diving: Druid, Oracle
Arcane: Alchemist, Wizard

1. Brains, Brawn
2. City, Forest
3. Water
4. Lawful
5. Pride, Wrath

Classes

assault: barbarian, brawler
skilled: ranger, rogue
divine: druid, oracle
arcane: bard, sorcerer

.....

As far as race goes, was thinking about tiefling but may change based on what the randomization spits out, if that's fine.

Class Rand

A Half-minotuar Brawler of unknown base race.

Half-Minotuar is a powerful template so 10 PB for stats.

Looks like we have a large and in charge one here, boys.

Race: Human

Assult: Monk, Warpriest
Skilled: Bard, Rogue
Diving: Druid, Oracle
Arcane: Alchemist, Wizard

1. Brains, Brawn
2. City, Forest
3. Water
4. Lawful
5. Pride, Wrath

Class Rand

A Draconic (Green) Human Bard

Draconic is a weak template so 15 PB for stats.

I'll be posting up the templates tomorrow.

A Half-minotuar Brawler of unknown base race.

Half-Minotuar is a powerful template so 10 PB for stats.

Looks like we have a large and in charge one here, boys.

Sounds good! I think tiefling will work nicely with that.

Race: Human

Assault = Cleric, Fighter
Skilled = Ranger, Rogue
Divine = Druid, Oracle
Arcane = Bard, Sorcerer

1. Brawn, Beauty
2. Beach, Forest
3. Earth
4. Lawful
5. Pride

Gonna hold on questions until I get a better sense of the character itself.

Assault: Monk, Warpriest
Skilled: Ranger, Rogue
Divine: Oracle, Paladin
Arcane: Alchemist, Bard

Hello,

Here is my proposal for race, class and template

Race/class : Nymph
I did not find the nymph in the dreamscarred press monster classes. Could you indicate your source for it?

I was also looking for the Huldra and did not find it either.

1) Beauty and brain
2) The Mountain
3) Air
4) Chaotic
5) Sloth

@YoricksRequiem
Both class picks and questions get done at the same time.
As both going together can yield a more interesting character.

@Llaelian
The Nymph and Huldra monster classes were in the Beta version of Monster classes.
I'll let you look over the two monster classes and let you confirm your choice of monster class, or race and class picks.

Race: Human

Assault = Cleric, Fighter
Skilled = Ranger, Rogue
Divine = Druid, Oracle
Arcane = Bard, Sorcerer

1. Brawn, Beauty
2. Beach, Forest
3. Earth
4. Lawful
5. Pride

Class Rand

Human Half-fiend Rogue,

Half-fiend is a powerful template so 10 PB for stats.

Current Char List:
Dread : Half-Satyr Cleric (Base race unknown)
djpika : Fey Touched Monk (base race unknown)
Plastic Dragon : Half-Elf Half-Celestial Rogue
theasl : Half-minotuar Brawler (Base race unknown)
trawets71 : Draconic (Green) Human Bard
Ellioti : Human Half-fiend Rogue

YoricksRequiem :
Llaelian : ? Nymph ?

So far we have; 2 rogues, a cleric, a monk, a brawler, and a bard.

@YoricksRequiem

Both class picks and questions get done at the same time.
As both going together can yield a more interesting character.

@Llaelian
The Nymph and Huldra monster classes were in the Beta version of Monster classes.
I'll let you look over the two monster classes and let you confirm your choice of monster class, or race and class picks.

I've never tried to play a monster class and I'm guessing there can be balance issues with them. I'm willing to try for a Nymph.

Class Rand

[dice=Class1]4d100 Cleric, Fighter Ranger, *Rogue
[dice=Class2]4d100 Druid, Oracle Bard, *Sorcerer
[dice=ClassF]2d100 *Rogue, Sorcerer

Human Half-fiend Rogue,

Half-fiend is a powerful template so 10 PB for stats.

interesting, half-fiend is truly powerful. I just don't get your attribute limits. Can you elaborate on this?

side note: I was also looking into playing a monster class, in particular the ogre, but hell, it has -4 int and -4 cha. That's not viable for a PC at all...

So Start with a stat array like 16,10,10,10,10,10 (most extreme for 10PB)
The 10's are the lowest a stat can be with 16 being the highest it can be before pre-racial base (human in this case can be applied), but with the 16, the human floating bonus can't go there.
So the floating bonus either goes to one of the ten's, or you mod the array to 14,13,12,10,10,10, and then can apply the human bonus to the 14 to get the 16 cap.
The array 12,12,12,12,12,10 is also a reasonable array if one is looking to min any stat weaknesses, like those for MAD classes.
The template is applied last and with out stat limits.

Forgot about monster class stat penalities, so If a Monster class dips stats with penalties, the Min will be changed to 8 if the penality is 4 like Ogre.

edit: cleaned up some of the wording.

I have to admit that this is a really intriguing idea. I may just come up with something this weekend.

kk. So my Half-Fiend rogue would start with
STR 12 (10+0+2)
DEX 20 (14+2+4)
CON 18 (14+0+4)
INT 12 (10+0+2)
WIS 14 (10+0+4)
CHA 12 (10+0+2)
That's quite a lot!

Another question that might interest everyone: How do you feel about multiclassing?

@YoricksRequiem

Both class picks and questions get done at the same time.
As both going together can yield a more interesting character.

Fair enough! In that case:

1. Brains, then Beauty.
2. Beach, Mountains
3. Air
4. Lawful
5. Wrath and Pride

And reposting these to have everything in one place:

Assault: Monk, Warpriest
Skilled: Ranger, Rogue
Divine: Oracle, Paladin
Arcane: Alchemist, Bard

answer to Ellioti's questions

No unchained classes

The Sanctified Rogue and Knife Master are good since there are no class feature conflicts and from a valid book.

The Spirit guide trait is not in the allowed books,
but it has nice flavor and looks like a trait most would pass over, so I'll allow it.

As for Deific obedience I'll also allow it,
But the PrCs; Evangelist, Exalted, and Sentinel will Not be allowed.

As for Multi-Classing, yes you can.
But your starting class always has be greater in level then the one other class the player takes (and that class has to be from the OP list, so no gunslinger or summoner)
Though Core and APG PrCs can exceed your starting class in levels.

Edit: I would also be open to some 3.5 PrCs if you find one that fits what your looking for like; a cleric rogue build, could look at Skullclan hunter from Miniatures Handbook or the ShadowBane PrCs from Complete Adventurer.

I'd be interested.

Questions:
1) Brawn, Brains
2) The Forest, the mountains
3) Earth
4) Lawful
5) Envy

Assault = Brawler, Fighter
Skilled = Ranger, Rogue
Divine = Druid, Oracle
Arcane = Bard, Sorcerer

Race = random

Hello,

Here is my proposal for race, class and template

Race/class : Nymph
I did not find the nymph in the dreamscarred press monster classes. Could you indicate your source for it?

I was also looking for the Huldra and did not find it either.

1) Beauty and brain
2) The Mountain
3) Air
4) Chaotic
5) Sloth

So we have a Half-Janni Nymph

Half-Janni is powerful, so only 10PB for stats

RHMG Animator wrote:

@YoricksRequiem

Both class picks and questions get done at the same time.
As both going together can yield a more interesting character.

Fair enough! In that case:

1. Brains, then Beauty.
2. Beach, Mountains
3. Air
4. Lawful
5. Wrath and Pride

And reposting these to have everything in one place:

Assault: Monk, Warpriest
Skilled: Ranger, Rogue
Divine: Oracle, Paladin
Arcane: Alchemist, Bard

Thanks for putting it in one place.

Half-Janni

Class Rand
Class1: 4d100 ⇒ (39, 91, 38, 71) = 239 Monk, *Warpriest Ranger, Rogue
Class2: 4d100 ⇒ (35, 80, 11, 81) = 207 Oracle, Paladin Alchemist, *Bard
ClassF: 2d100 ⇒ (26, 23) = 49 *Warpriest, Bard

So a Half-janni Warpriest with a unknown base race

I'd be interested.

Questions:
1) Brawn, Brains
2) The Forest, the mountains
3) Earth
4) Lawful
5) Envy

Assault = Brawler, Fighter
Skilled = Ranger, Rogue
Divine = Druid, Oracle
Arcane = Bard, Sorcerer

Race = random

Class Rand

Very interesting combo

A Half-minotaur Sorcerer........with a Unknown Base race.

Eidt oh right randomise it,

race: 1d7 ⇒ 1 Human

So a Half-minotaur Human Sorcerer.

Current Char List:
Dread : Half-Satyr Cleric (Base race unknown)
djpika : Fey Touched Monk (base race unknown)
Plastic Dragon : Half-Elf Half-Celestial Rogue
theasl : Half-minotuar Brawler (Base race unknown)
trawets71 : Draconic (Green) Human Bard
Ellioti : Human Half-fiend Rogue

YoricksRequiem : Half-janni Warpriest (Base race unknown)
Llaelian : Half-Janni Nymph
MauveAvengr : Half-minotaur Human Sorcerer
So far we have class wise; 2 rogues, a cleric, a monk, a brawler, a bard, a warpriest, a Sorcerer, and a Nymph

and Template wise; a Half-Satyr, a fey-touched, a Half-Celestial, 2 Half-minotaurs, a Draconic, a Half-fiend, and two Half-Janni.

Llaelian wrote:

Hello,

Here is my proposal for race, class and template

Race/class : Nymph
I did not find the nymph in the dreamscarred press monster classes. Could you indicate your source for it?

I was also looking for the Huldra and did not find it either.

1) Beauty and brain
2) The Mountain
3) Air
4) Chaotic
5) Sloth

So we have a Half-Janni Nymph

Half-Janni is powerful, so only 10PB for stats

Thanks a lot, this looks just like the type of nymph I had in mind: an aurae , a breeze nymph from the greek mythology, daughter of Boreas the north wind.

Glad you like your results, Llaelian.
But beauty can be a curse like it was for Nualia.

I'll try to get the templates up this evening.

my Base race would have been Human as with everything else it would have been the easiest to blend.

so where do I find the Half Satyr Template?

How much do you want for the character info? a full build? or specifics? to be able to choose?

Heres the beginning of the Character...this is Dread

Hi GM! Archlich here. I like the rules! May I play an Erinye? I have some fun concepts in mind.

I'm not sure if I should still pick a class (I think a monster class is already a race+class, right?), but here's be the list:

Assault: Monk, Brawler
Skilled: Bard, Ranger
Divine: Druid, Paladin
Arcane: Bard, Sorcerer

For questions:

1 - Brawn and Beauty
2 - Desert and City
3 - Fire
4 - Lawful
5 - Wrath

Thanks for running it! If selected, I'd be very curious about the background thing. I think it's a great concept to tie the stories together and write it via discussion. Maybe we could come with some basic concepts each, and then tie it up later.

For the archetypes, in case I can have class levels, could we choose from the "ex-" archetypes lists as well (like ex-monk archetypes, ex-paladin archetypes, etc.)?

Hi GM! Archlich here. I like the rules! May I play an Erinye? I have some fun concepts in mind.

....

Yes you can play an Erinyes, but you need to own the 3PP of the Monster class.

Thanks for running it! If selected, I'd be very curious about the background thing. I think it's a great concept to tie the stories together and write it via discussion. Maybe we could come with some basic concepts each, and then tie it up later.

It's fine to come up with some general (no detail) fragments of the character's backstory, but if some contradict appear a part it'll need to be overridden.

For the archetypes, in case I can have class levels, could we choose from the "ex-" archetypes lists as well (like ex-monk archetypes, ex-paladin archetypes, etc.)?

For Ex-archetypes, I'd say for the start, No.

my Base race would have been Human as with everything else it would have been the easiest to blend.

so where do I find the Half Satyr Template?

How much do you want for the character info? a full build? or specifics? to be able to choose?

Almost done the First batch of templates.....

Do a complete build, but the backstory can have general backstory fragments.

Now something I'd recommend
is that what you should include is either a fear, character complex, or insecurity the character has;
like a Paladin that is afraid of spiders (yes, this fear overrides aura of courage),
a short character could have a Napoleon Complex,
a character could have a insecurity about an aspect of their appearance
character could have a complex or insecurity about part of or the whole of one their heritage they have,
etc
I'll add that this would make the character more believable and real.