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While my initial thoughts on the Inspiring/Challenging Relationships were similar to the “player to the right/player to the left” suggestion of the GMG, it does end up with some issues with odd combinations of character and influence. I have worked out a suggested alternative pattern which effectively ensures several connections between each hero and most of the rest of the party. I am more than open to suggestions of changes to these combinations, especially if someone gains inspiration from having a shared link. I’d like each of you to collaborate here with each person you have links with and each person that has a link with to come up with a story of how the relationship evolved through the circumstances presented by the relationship roll. Consider the flavor text of the relationship roll a jumping off point, and feel free to “reskin” the reason the trait listed became available to you if it fits both persons’ stories better.
Kazmukh: Desperate Intimidate Revna
……………. Matter of Might Ann
Elinil: Homelessness Revna
……….. Privileged Position Kazmukh
Brennadara: Magician Ann
…………………..Spy Revna
Revna: Magician Brennadara
………….Seeking Accolades Elinil
Ann: Missing Child Elinil
……Matter of Might Kazmukh
Furthermore, several of these indicate people of import that you may have been trying to impress or gain tutelage from, etc. Here, I am going to list several members of the kingdom’s court and influential people in the city of Stagfal. These will be brief descriptions, allowing you to flesh out your relationships should you choose to include any of them in your background stories.
King (His Majesty) Freidold Jyadson bold, enthusiastic, sharp-witted
Queen (Her Majesty) Kessa Surtova determined, thoughtful, vibrant
Culture Secretary (Counselor) Mimi Broadstick gregarious, seductive, vivacious
Diplomatic Secretary (Counselor) Sandra Surtova assertive, exacting, unflappable
General (General) Holta Seigrid courageous, disciplined, serious
High Priestess (Her Eminence) Lialunna Thestria calm, ecumenical, pious
Magister (His Magnificence) Kregler Dushovn brilliant, experimental, ruthless
Marshal (His Honor) Kurdegarde Juldolme bureaucratic, efficient, rigid
Seneschal (High Counselor) Frita Seigrid emphatic, observant, reconciliatory
Treasury Secretary (Counselor) Wendel Piercer dry, spendthrift, timid
Warden (Warden) Gingertucker Mosswaxer curious, devoted, whimsical
You will begin the campaign in the employ of Warden Mosswaxer, although any of the other people of note could have recommended you to the position. We’ve got awhile to get through session zero and get things set up here.
Kazmukh is from an urban area, pad330--New Stetven is a metropolis. Maybe that could work.
I'm still looking over everything and thinking about the mechanical details of my character as well.
This will be much easier when we all have aliases...
A few questions:
1) How many days travel is it to Stagfal from Whitethrone?
2) Does Stagfal have Gladitorial Games? Of what nature?
3) Are any of the NPCs above involved with the Games? The Marshal? The Treasury Secretary?
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Posting the "Relationship" language results here to kickstart brainstorm:
Elinil Iomedaeson > "Missing Child"
Anri's current family is her brother and their father. Maybe we can say that the brother has a child, and that one day Anri agreed to babysit the tot, taking him/her into the city, only to lose the child, spend hours searching, and it wasn't until almost dusk that Anri was able to recover the child, who had the fortune of wandering into the arms of a kind-hearted stranger (Elinil), to which Anri became obligated to repay the debt?
Kazmukh Torson > "Matter of Might"
Perhaps Anri, after quitting her job as a librarian and becoming a guard, met Kazmukh, and something about him reminded her of her childhood rivalry with her brother? Perhaps she is a bit envious of his hammer? Or perhaps there was some sort of competition, and Kazmukh just edged her out slightly to "win", much to her dismay?
Brennadara < "Magician"
Perhaps Brennadara spotted Anri practicing several of her spells (which appear on both the Arcane and Primal lists), and offered coin, or barter, or friendship, for some basic tutoring? Which ended up being two ways as too Anri is no stranger to fisticuffs?
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Yes, yours are among the most challenging to integrate.
I think growing up in the river kingdoms, perhaps during the rise of King Irroveti of Pitax, would qualify for Front Lines.
The academy at Pitax could have been where you studied, and the professor at the academy who sponsored you may have been subject to one of Irroveti's purges, causing your expulsion to the streets (the Academy being your home up to that point.)
The major concern from Homelessness is that you know things about living in the street the other person doesn't and you've attempted to pass that knowledge on. Considering Elini's rural/wild upbringing, she would have needed those pointers and your time on the street after the purge gave you the insight to fill those needs. This is brainstorming, here, so the details can be changed significantly.
Must have been sleep-reading the Privileged Position. :) Anri would certainly make more sense. Perhaps you were both seeking sponsorship from His Magnificence Kregler Dushovn, who would not have been kind in his rejection of you.
EDIT: three posts in the time I was typing this up :) Happy to see excitement.
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This will be much easier when we all have aliases...
A few questions:1) How many days travel is it to Stagfal from Whitethrone?
2) Does Stagfal have Gladitorial Games? Of what nature?
3) Are any of the NPCs above involved with the Games? The Marshal? The Treasury Secretary?...
First, apologies for my notes changing your name from Anri to Ann, My terrible handwriting is to blame.
1) Stagfall is really far from Irrisen and Whitethrone. How you came to come to the River Kingdoms is definitely something we'll have to work out.
2/3) Stagfall does have exposition matches, although not in an official arena so much as at a fairground area just outside of the city.
Counselor Mimi Broadstick is the primary sponsor for these events, although she often ropes General Holta Seigrid and His Honor Kurdegarde Juldolme into using them for training excercises/displays of valor from among the army and militia/guard. Warden Gingertucker Mosswaxer is sometimes convinced by the silver-tongued halfling to provide special beasts for these events.
These "Fair Days" are held monthly on the night of the third Moonday, and often held tribute to Gorum and/or Torag, with the taxes from numerous goods barely making up for the expenditure required to hold them.
1) Stagfall is really far from Irrisen and Whitethrone. How you came to come to the River Kingdoms is definitely something we'll have to work out.
2/3) Stagfall does have exposition matches, although not in an official arena so much as at a fairground area just outside of the city.Counselor Mimi Broadstick is the primary sponsor for these events, although she often ropes General Holta Seigrid and His Honor Kurdegarde Juldolme into using them for training excercises/displays of valor from among the army and militia/guard. Warden Gingertucker Mosswaxer is sometimes convinced by the silver-tongued halfling to provide special beasts for these events.
These "Fair Days" are held monthly on the night of the third Moonday, and often held tribute to Gorum and/or Torag, with the taxes from numerous goods barely making up for the expenditure required to hold them.
Down with the Fair Days - I'm thinking perhaps Anri entered an Exposition Match on a whim (perhaps her second time witnessing it), on such a day as General Holta Seigrid was present, and witnessed her martial skill, enough to recruit her into the guard?
As for Whitethrone > Stagfall, I think it's plausible Anri was chasing a lead on her blood mother that pointed her in that direction? (If so,, the question then is what exactly was the lead?...)
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As for Whitethrone > Stagfall, I think it's plausible Anri was chasing a lead on her blood mother that pointed her in that direction? (If so,, the question then is what exactly was the lead?...)
King Freidold Jyadson has imported a rather sizable delegation of misfits and outcasts from the Land of the Linnorm Kings (including but definitely not limited to Holta and Frita Seigrid and Kurdegarde Juldolme) which is a neighboring country to Irrisen. Perhaps your mother's whereabouts were traced to here through one or more of these displaced vikings?
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The Marshal is in charge of the guard, the General is in charge of the army, and the Warden in charge essentially of adventurers and rangers.
The High Priest, Marshal, Seneschal, and Warden each have judicial powers and responsibilities as well.
The High Priest proceeds over disputes of religious laws and freedoms.
The Marshal acts as a roaming judge, visiting each official town and village at least once a month to settle matters of criminal law.
The Seneschal oversees the High Court, settling challenges to the rulings of other judges and overseeing the civil court system of the capital.
The Warden is responsible for seeing the law carried out in the rural wilds and dealing with threats to the kingdom from monsters, unruly beasts, bandits, and the like. The Warden has broad licence to determine and conduct justice in the wilds. The Warden's authority ends at the town/city limits, where she must turn criminals over to the Marshal's forces/guard. As deputies of the Warden, you will have similar freedom to exercise justice in the wilds and similar reductions of authority in the urban centers.
Good day all! I'm just checking in briefly to say that I'll have time to take a more in depth look over everything here this evening. I'm looking forward to a great game with all of you!
-Brennadara
Gameplay isn't letting me dot in for some reason.
Sorry it took so long for me to check in here. I posted in Recruitment on my phone while going to a urgent care place. Have an URI that is trying to come back so I wanted to nip it in the bud while I could.
So for Revna it seemed like her and Kazmukh have fought together at least once already, as they took on people trying to take them. If both had to journey here then it is likely they met along the way.
As for the Homelessness with Elinil, yeah is doesn't really work. So I'm totally fine with handing that off to Kazmukh. If we want to connect Elinil to Revna we could do so through Kazmukh. Like Elinil was traveling with Kazmukh when they got hit.
Now onto the thing of Brennadara spying on Revna connection to her being the Magician... That might be difficult as Brennadara isn't a magician in any form at the moment. So we might need to find another connection there... Though it might be best to work backwards! Why would Brennadara spy on Revna? Spying doesn't mean it has to be a bad thing. Could have been spying for the new people we work for!
Also I see either Holta or Gingertucker being the person who brought Revna in, or at least spoke out for her to be their choice. Because Revna's nature is more aligned with that of Holta but her skills would be far more useful to Gingertucker. Revna is more chaotic good in alignment, however she is much more bestial in fight a form. For example if she had to she'd rip a persons throat out with her teeth to protect what needs to be protected. Very do what needs to be done but never at the cost of innocents be they human, animal, or nature.
Mechanical aside--Revna, what are you thinking for your class build? I was initially considering a sword and board fighter, but I might go more two-handed if you are going to build defensively.I'm open to either option, and I think that either could fit with Kazmukh's personality.
Well I was thinking going bow as it is her deity's favored weapon. However if you want her upfront along with two I'll gladly go bastard sword! That thing never gets any love!
No, that's fine! I definitely don't mind playing up front. I'll be excited to see how a ranged champion works.
Yeah, I'm actually hoping that at 3rd level I can take a Stag or a Megaloceros if the GM allows it. But that is in the future and can be addressed then!
She'll of course likely have a sword as well, if only because arrows are not endless.
As requested, Elinil now has an alias...
Anri, are you wedded to being from Whitethrone (Irrisen)? Winter Break or Port Ice in northern Brevoy is pretty much as far north (pushed up on the edge of the Lake of Mists and Veils), so a Snow Elf (for your mom) makes just as much sense (in terms of distance from the crown of the world).
If that's the case, when "She went to the city and looked for a job in the library", the city could be New Stetven, and then you Anri could tie to Elinil with both of us studying under the same spellcaster. You could also have met Kazmukh who is from New Stetven as well.
I think I'll make her back up weapon a Bastard sword. She seems like the type that would carry something like that.
Reckless,
Relic is the last mechanical part of Anri's character creation...
For choosing our initial Gift on Relics, although the GMG advises against it (in a sidebar on page 97), can we choose Property Runes? (Ex. Can I choose Anri's relic to have the Shifting property rune for her Plant aspect relic?)
Asking because that would be my first choice, and if not, I'll get to selecting a more traditional Gift.
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Also, if anyone would like advice, consult, second opinion, or sounding board on constructing their character, let me know. Although this is only my second PbP game, I have made a few characters in 2nd edition, and enjoy the process.
This will only be my second character I've made in 2nd edition so I'll totally be taking you up on that as we put everything together.
Elinil will be taking you up on that offer, Milady Anri. This is, in fact, my first PF2 build... The summary of the results is in the alias profile;
1) Concept
A skilled caster at home in a courtly setting, but who has a “street” background. Strong social skills, not a combatant; focuses on casting & skill uses in combat. A ½ Elf Bard chassis.
2) Base Ability Scores
STR 10 DEX 10 CON 10 INT 10 WIS 10 CHA 10
3) Ancestry
Human. ½ Elf, +2 DEX, +2 CHA, 8 HP, Size: Medium, Speed: 25 ft, Low Light Vision,
Ancestry Feat : Elf Atavism (Sorcerer) > Sorcerer Dedication (Dragon Bloodline. Cantrips : Ray of Frost, Electric Arc, add 1 trained skill of choice because has arcana)
Ancestry Paragon Feat (Bonus): ***
4) Background
Rolls resulted in
family size = small => 0 sibilings = Str & Con boosts
Homeland = Frontlines => Heraldry, Scouting, Warfare Lore
Major Childhood Event = Academy Trained => Additional Lore
Influential Associate = The Lover => Cha boost
Inspiring Relationship = Homelessness => Streetwise
Challenging Relationship = Privileged Position => Quick Identification
Pick 2 boosts : +2 CON, +2 CHA
2 Lores : Scouting Lore, Warfare Lore
2 Feats : Streetwise (add trained in Society), Additional Lore (add 1 additional Lore) + Trained in (Arcana)
Pick Bonus free Boost : +2 DEX
5) Class: Bard
+2 CHA, 8 HP,
Expert in Perception
Trained in Fortitude, Trained in Reflex, Expert in Will
Trained in Occultism, Trained in Performance, +Trained (4+Int) : Deception, Diplomacy, , Stealth)
Trained in simple weapons, longsword, rapier, sap, shortbow, shortsword, whip, and unarmed attacks
Trained in light armor, unarmored defense
Occult Spellcasting : Trained in occult spell attacks and occult spell DCs
Muse : Maestro (Lingering Composition, Soothe)
Composition Spell: Counter Performance
Focus Pool : 1
Composition Cantrip: Inspire Courage
Cantrips: Telekinetic Projectile, Forbidding Ward, Guidance, Light, Shield
Lvl 1 Spells : Soothe,
6) 4 Free Ability Boosts: CHA, DEX, CON, WIS
Final Stats
STR : 10 (+0) DEX 16 (+3) CON 14 (+2) INT 10 (+0) WIS 12 (+1) CHA 18 (+4)
Please do review and let me know if I have done something wrong or something unwise.
Gameplay isn't letting me dot in for some reason.
Yeah, I just tried, and it isn't working. It may have something to do with the thread naming. This one is
Community / Forums / Online Campaigns / Play-by-Post Discussion / Lost Kingdom of the Linnorn Discussion
whereas the gameplay thread is
Community / Forums / Online Campaigns / Play-by-Post / Yggsdreth's Fearsome Four
Reckless
How are you handling the 1/2 elf racial feat "Elf Atavism". Elinil has used it to take the Elf Heritage "Ancient Elf", and thus the Sorcerer Multiclass dedication feat at lvl 1. Anri tells me this not something that is permitted in Pathfinder Society play; do you want me to change it?
I was able to dot and delete just fine...
Tried again, in like flynn this time
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Reckless
How are you handling the 1/2 elf racial feat "Elf Atavism". Elinil has used it to take the Elf Heritage "Ancient Elf", and thus the Sorcerer Multiclass dedication feat at lvl 1. Anri tells me this not something that is permitted in Pathfinder Society play; do you want me to change it?
I am allowing it. Pathfinder Society has their own parameters, but there's nothing in the description of elf atavism and ancient elf that preclude their use together.
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Reckless,
Relic is the last mechanical part of Anri's character creation...For choosing our initial Gift on Relics, although the GMG advises against it (in a sidebar on page 97), can we choose Property Runes? (Ex. Can I choose Anri's relic to have the Shifting property rune for her Plant aspect relic?)
Asking because that would be my first choice, and if not, I'll get to selecting a more traditional Gift.
Are you looking at this for your longspear?
If so, I think I could approved a gift more like this:
Limited Shifting
Magical Transmutation
Usage etched onto a melee weapon relic
With a moment of manipulation, you can shift this weapon into a different weapon with a similar form.
Activate Single Action Interact; Effect The weapon takes the shape of another melee weapon that requires the same number of hands to wield and is of the same weapon category or a similar one as determined by the gm. The weapon’s runes and any precious material it’s made of apply to the weapon’s new shape. Any property runes that can’t apply to the new form are suppressed until the item takes a shape to which they can apply.
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What this would mean is that you could transform the longspear into a spear or polearm. The idea is that it would have to transform into a similarly composed hafted weapon.
When you reach 6th level (the level of a Shifting Rune), it would graduate to full Shifting.
How does that sound to you?
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Elinil,
You list both padded armor and studded leather armor under inventory. Think you probably decided against the padded?
You've got your weapons sort of grouped together, I would break them up so you remember their features.
The way to list weapons from most stat-blocks is
weapon +X (features), Damage 1dY+Z type
So you'd list
Melee
dagger +6 (agile, finesse, thrown 10 ft, versatile S), Damage 1d4 P
rapier +6 (deadly d8, disarm, finesse), Damage 1d6 P
whip +6 (disarm, finesse, nonlethal, reach, trip), Damage 1d4 S
Ranged
sling +6 50 ft (propulsive), Damage 1d6 B
This helps remind you that the dagger is agile(taking lower penalties to multiattack) or can be used for slashing as well as piercing, or thrown with a 10 ft increment.
Everything else looks nice and proper. I like your selection of spells.
I think I have my profile all set up. I'll work in the relationship details as we finalize them.
(I'm still having trouble posting in the gameplay thread.)
Elinil,
You list both padded armor and studded leather armor under inventory. Think you probably decided against the padded?You've got your weapons sort of grouped together, I would break them up so you remember their features.
The way to list weapons from most stat-blocks is
weapon +X (features), Damage 1dY+Z type
So you'd list
Melee
dagger +6 (agile, finesse, thrown 10 ft, versatile S), Damage 1d4 P
rapier +6 (deadly d8, disarm, finesse), Damage 1d6 P
whip +6 (disarm, finesse, nonlethal, reach, trip), Damage 1d4 S
Ranged
sling +6 50 ft (propulsive), Damage 1d6 BThis helps remind you that the dagger is agile(taking lower penalties to multiattack) or can be used for slashing as well as piercing, or thrown wit a 10 ft increment.
Everything else looks nice and proper. I like your selection of spells.
That's a good idea with the weapon stat blocks. I will edit.
WRT to the armor, I do intend to buy both, and keep the padded on a mule/at home. You can sleep in padded armor (Comfortable property), so it's PJ's... +1 AC in an ambush is pretty cheap for 2 sp.
I was able to dot in fine this time.
Threw me off when I woke up and the game was gone from my list!
Though I don't know if I can finish my character without knowing if I'm keeping the Magician or not. The connect to Brennadara and all... Because if we change it then I'd have something else to choose from when it comes to the background...
OK, sorry for the delay. I've got mechanics in my profile now which I'd love people to have a once over (as, like others here, it's my first PF2E character.)
It probably makes sense for Brennadara to have offered her services directly to Warden Mosswaxer as that's the sort of work that she would have been looking to do while keeping an eye on the kingdom anyhow.
@Reckless, I've used the optional Voluntary Flaws when creating Brennadara (I took -2 Int and Cha for +2 Con). If you'd rather I not use that I can adjust the character without too much trouble.
@Revna, Brennadara would have been watching people come and go from Stagfall for a while. Spying on you would have been close to part of her normal routine. If she then established that she either trusted your motives or wanted to know more (probably after seeing you offer your services as a protector,) she might have sought you out to interact with in person. Though she's not a magician, she does have some druid training and a collection of sleight of hand tricks she would have learned living with young gnomes that she might pass on. I'm also happy to replace that with something that makes more sense. We could probably make kindly witch happen for example, though we'd need to create a character that would fit that (if it's someone Brennadara trusts she could be referring you to them to get another opinion on how trustworthy you are.)
@Anri, that relationship sounds good. After watching Anri for a while Brennadara would be willing to approach for something like that.
@Brennadara: What is we did take the Kind Witch and spun it into a life debt? Through Brennadara's spy she found Revna in a wounded state and brought her to said witch?
On another note, the betrayed background part I rolled up says I can add the skill feat to my options... What is the skill feat? Is it in a different book? Or does it just mean the skill training feat? Because that is all I could find.
Oh, that could work well. Brennadara was spying on you at some point when you left Stagfall and tailed you from a distance, still trying to discern whether you were friend or foe. You got into a fight with something evil, and Brennadara was too far away to engage while you fought. You drove them off, but by the time Brennadara reached you you'd fallen from your wounds. Brennadara brought you to the Kindly Witch who healed you and you're thankful for that, but Brennadara feels terrible guilt that she let you get into the situation on your own. It'll help drive why I'll invest as much into movement speed in the coming levels (I'll be up to speed 50 at level 3 with the Ki Rush feat to let me move double that as a focus spell.)
For the betrayed background, it's supposed to be the Lie to Me skill feat.
Yeah began of Revna's Edicts and Anethema, if she comes across evil she has to try and take it out. Letting it go free without a fight is against her's gods Anethema. Plus Revna is bold like that, she would be willing to take on something much bigger than her if it was for the right reason.
@GM So! Are you willing to allow is to swap magician out for king witch? If only for the sake of story? XD
Ah! thank you Brennadara, that makes much more sense.
@Reckless, is Warden Mosswaxer a gnome? It's hard to tell from the picture, but the traits you're ascribing to her would fit a gnome well. If so that makes it even easier for her to be the one Brennadara would approach about becoming a deputy.
@Revna, perfect! Do you want to say what the evil was? Or perhaps it was something that neither of us knew, we could just both sense that it was wrong. That lets it come up later in the story perhaps.
@Brennadara: Oh it would totally give the GM something to use against us at a later date if we don't name it. After all Reckless could use anything he sees fit if we do it that way.
As requested, Elinil now has an alias...
Anri, are you wedded to being from Whitethrone (Irrisen)? Winter Break or Port Ice in northern Brevoy is pretty much as far north (pushed up on the edge of the Lake of Mists and Veils), so a Snow Elf (for your mom) makes just as much sense (in terms of distance from the crown of the world).
If that's the case, when "She went to the city and looked for a job in the library", the city could be New Stetven, and then you Anri could tie to Elinil with both of us studying under the same spellcaster. You could also have met Kazmukh who is from New Stetven as well.
Anri, did you miss this Q?
Re: Whitethrone
Not married to hailing from the metropolis at all, but that said, I am married to hailing from a Metropolis, per my deep background.
Any such that makes more sense is fine. Once that is decided, I will alter my profile to suit.
Flexible.
Question! Crafting, do you have to select something or do you just get trained in crafting?
In Revna's home everyone learned to weave, hunt, and carve wood. If you don't make your living hunting you likely make it fishing as her home was close to a large river. The farming was pretty much everyone's responsibility. With it being so small a field of wheat or two pretty much fed everyone along with the fish and meat. But the weaving was to make nets, hunting was to keep people alive, and carving wood is a courting and family ritual. If someone likes another and they wanted to court them they would carve something from wood or horn and give it to them. Long story short! Do I need different crafting skills for weaving, bow and arrow creation and repair, and the like? Or do I just become trained in crafting and that's fine?
@Revna, Crafting seems now to be a general skill covering all crafting. If you want to specialize in something there are skill feats for (at least) Alchemical Items, Snares, Magic Items, and Specialty Crafting for a bonus in a type of crafting of your choice. Unless you want to be especially good at something the general crafting skill should cover all the things you're interested in there I'm pretty sure.