Heroes of the Lance (Inactive)

Game Master EltonJ

I dont get it, Kali and Peregrine are happy enough to trade tit for tat and even cast spells on him but when he responds you don't like it. Maybe I should excuse myself from the game if this is how things will continue because 8r seems okay for you to roleplay but not for others.

Do you realize that all of our actions have been reactions to you being a dick? And right now, you called her a whore, tossed her a single fvcking copper piece as payment, then implied that since she couldn't give you change for a copper, she wasn't even worth that.

Seriously, you don't see the pit you've dug yourself into?

Yes, he is the only one to blame in this right? As if you.havent been trading insults with him the whole time. As a reaction right? RIIiGht.

your character is just as much at fault as acting like a know it all as well but I guess it is okay for you to do so. It seems as if everything my character has said from the beginning you have chosen to tske in unfavorable light

Things look to have escalated pretty quickly in a situation where I thought everyone was having a good time.

Assuming we want to move past this, I would suggest we call a mulligan.

I thought we were having fun too. Obviously we were both wrong.

I dont get it, Kali and Peregrine are happy enough to trade tit for tat and even cast spells on him but when he responds you don't like it. Maybe I should excuse myself from the game if this is how things will continue because 8r seems okay for you to roleplay but not for others.

First, yes, there's barbs being flung back and forth, but some of the ones you were flinging, especially at Kali, are the kinds of things that have started fights and would have been the grounds for a duel if they'd been said to a lady of standing. If Slam and Peri hadn't intervened Kali would have started trying to break Thalasi's nose. He may not know this, but I pretty clearly stated that Kali was abandoned in her profile. Thalasi just called her worthless and damaged on top of heavily insinuating that she is a prostitute. If you didn't know, wench is not a polite term and is on par with calling someone a whore. Heck, the word is even an archaic one for prostitute.

Second, part of roleplaying is accepting the consequences of the actions your character takes. In this case, I do not know of a time that Kali has offered Thalasi insult before casting a cantrip that did nothing that can't be undone in response to the continued heckling of someone she considers a friend. Admittedly, this has been a bit tit for tat, but at the same time, Thalasi has consistently been condescending to Peri and in Kali's eyes unfairly so. She was getting tired of Thalasi's arrogant attitude, so she gave him a ridiculous hairstyle for a bit in the hopes of either getting him to lighten up or shut up. Peri has been trading barbs in response to the barbs that Thalasi has been throwing her way. I understand that outing herself as a magic user is going to have consequences for Kali and I believe Peri's player understands that her barbs are going elicit a reaction from Thalasi In that same vein we ask that you understand that Thalasi's barbed comments, arrogance, and venomous insults are also going to have consequences, namely that the last one is going to have two women ready to kick his ass.

There's a gentlemen's agreement in most PBP games I've been in that you clear any PvP with both the player(s) involved and the GM which is what both Peri's player and I have tried to do with our warnings that Thalasi is edging dangerously close to provoke violence against himself. I did it through PMs to try and keep it discrete. I wanted you to know exactly what you were in for if Thalasi kept insulting Kali like he was/is. I believe that Peri's player was doing the same.

Finally, I want to say that this doesn't mean you have to change how you're playing Thalasi. I would recommend toning it down so your teammates aren't looking for a way to ditch you every chance they get, but I don't want you to think that I'm saying you can't keep playing him as an arrogant bastard with a wickedly sharp tongue, but I do want you to know that you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

To give an example, I'm playing a warforged wizard in an Ebberon game that has been dealing with emotions that he has been denying he has. He often puts the lives of those not in the party below his/the party's objectives and the party's well being. His amoral tendencies and impulsiveness has earned him a deserved reputation as a dangerous, unstable killing machine, and I own it. I roll with the consequences of my actions. I also don't confuse in game and out of game emotions and feelings. i know the other players don't mean things personally when they are directed at my character. And that's the thing. I have not taken any of what is going on personally. I have been trying to play things as my character would. In this case, she would give you a bad dye job and hairstyle for a while.

If you want to go, then there's nothing I can do to stop you, but perhaps take a moment to consider whether or not Thalasi has earned the animosity he's receiving. If you feel that is unfair, then all I can do is apologize and try to be better next time, then move on.

Things look to have escalated pretty quickly in a situation where I thought everyone was having a good time.

Assuming we want to move past this, I would suggest we call a mulligan.

I'm all for this. Apparently things got more heated while I was writing out my reply to Thalasi. :\

The bit about throwing a copper at Kalisuel was probably crossing the line if Kalisuel's player wasn't on board with it.

Like I said, assuming this is a case of crossed communication wires and we'd like to move past this as smoothly as possible, I'd suggest we call a mulligan. Find a point in the conversation where things were at least civil and pick up from there.

Personally, I was enjoying everyone's character foibles. Thalasi is a haughty and arrogant. Peregrine is opinionated and proud. Kalisuel is insecure and anxious. The issue in a collaborative game like this is when your character's quirk starts infringing on other people's ability to have fun in playing their own character.

I was having fun, even after the copper thing. I also wanted Thalasi to know full well what was coming because I also didn't see Kali taking that well at all, especially with the baggage she's got.

To be honest, I would have much rather spent the time I put into typing my reply to Thalasi on writing about the magic system and flavor and lore, but I felt this needed to be addressed sooner than later.

As you said, Feral, things got a little mixed up and too spicy. I'm all for apologizing for my part in this and moving on.

Jason, your first spoken words for Thalasi were genius. A certain amount of egotism and pride is tolerable, presuming you can tolerate in turn Peregrine doing a little teasing and needling to puncture your ego and bring you back to Krynn.

I'm good with retconning the recent insults and challenges, and working on putting up with the stick up Thalasi's bum, but Jason, it would help if Thalasi in turn actually came down to touch the ground now and then -- perhaps recognizing that acting better-than-thou isn't in the best interest of his Order or the Towers. Be lawful good, not lawful @sshole. I like the 'Have courage' version of Thalasi.

On a side note, I would personally appreciate a pointer to where Peregrine was acting like a know-it-all; if that was the impression I gave for her, I'd like to be able to study the post, understand how I'd given that impression, and rewrite how I'm writing her. Not sure if I meant to have her as proud, but ... knowing other peoples' interpretations, if given a specific direction I'd like to be able to study it and understand how what I'm writing is received.

However Kali implied that she had done unsavory things to keep from starving. That is what I was going off of. And no, I don't know Kalis background. From what I have read from her postings it is a small novel that I frankly have neither the time or the desire or interest to read. I was not aware that reading of your characters life story was a prerequisite to interacting with her.

Even when I have tried to be helpful like saying we as a party need to be careful where we go because we are an unusual group the irda has offered insult. Having anyone cast a spell on him without his permission even in jest is simply not going to happen without a consequence. Its an insult. So it seems like your characters can offer insult and then get upset when it retured.

The irda was offered eough insult as well. I'm playing thalasi as someone who is coming out of a tradition of mages and passing the test is something to be proud of. When he mentioned that there were things about magic that the uninitiated need to be careful with the irda offered insult, for retired.

I know that he is being a jerk, not initially out of trying to be mean but because of reactions to other players attitude. Did he step over a boundary? Yes but not until he was also insulted.

I see this supposed offense as a double standard. What is good for the goose does not seem to be as good for the gander.

I think that part of this is also the party trying to keep the narrative going. Hiw long have we been on the boat, a week or so?

Okay, so I'm all for character disputes and characters rubbing each other the wrong way, but let's everyone take a breath.

Thalasi has been acting likea [male genitalia] to most of the people in the group, but I have been mostly fine with it; he's taking Elven a-holery and running it. That being said, you called a party member a whore and then doubled down on it. That's a line being crossed that's not okay.

As far as Peri goes, she's been basically telling people what to do the entire game. Again, she's mostly sticking to her character, but we're getting close to the point that Slam, the 8 int ogre, is about to tell her off.

I know that I'm probably acting like a nobhead too. I am doing my best not to act like an smarta--. It's kinda hard, since most of my characters are smarta-- by default.

Can we please all agree to take it down a notch and respect each other as players?

I woke to 20+ messages between here and the gameplay.

I am failing to see the problem. Looks like great RP to me. Han and Luke argued. How many times did Will and Jack Sparrow fight. Chewie almost broke Lando's neck for his betrayal. Boromir tried to take the ring. Wolverine and Cyclops fight all the time and then work together. Enjoy the tension makes for a great story.

The moment where Peregrine told Bander its a pier and not a dock was the most awesome moment. A throw away moment was turned into a highlighted clue about Peregrine's character. Its clear she has something to prove about exactly how much she knows.

Now if the strong language about prostitution is a line crossed lets note it and touch on such issues gentler.

Lastly. Apparently this group will do anything to move RP away from the sexual tension between Bander and Kali. #Kander

Bander Kali? that's silly. it's clearly Maddok Kali. #Mali

LOL.

Well we can be certain that when Thalasi and Peregrine finally hookup all this arguing will really pay off.

Whoa, twenty messages that I've been alseep through. I don't allow PvP but the insults are getting ridiculous for a White Robe to engage in. Please tone them down, they are likely to get the group in trouble and in danger.

So the white robe will only use glitter and confetti for spell components to make sure everyone is happy

I didn't mean it like that. There is a time and a place for insulting your fellow team mates. And since you are nearing your first combat encounter, now is not the time.

I wasn't sure what I was expecting, but a shipping war was not one of them. :P

As a player, I was okay with the insults, even understood why and where they came from to a degree. Honestly I thought this was great because it was reinforcing some ideas my character has in her head about elves and was just providing all sorts of reasons for future tension. The wench comments did cross a line, but more so with her than with me because there is the implication that she might have sold herself to buy food. She didn't and is thankful she managed to escape that fate every day she wakes up.

I want to apologize to Jacob as none of what I was saying in or out of character was meant personally. I was simply trying to explain why characters were acting the way they were and that Thalasi had provoked Kali to the point of losing her temper and decking him. Apparently he'd done the same with Peri. As for the magic, I personally don't see the big deal of using a cantrip to mess with someone's appearance for a little while as a prank or a way to deflate their ego (and let's be honest, he does have an ego problem as does Peri to an extent.) Apparently it was something of a landmine and I'm sorry for the issue I have caused with that. It was meant to be something that brought back a bit of levity to tense situation.

And to everyone, Kali does have a long, detailed backstory, but I wrote it mostly for me. That was the reason I put in a summary for the GM. Well that and I'm still not done with it. Kinda stalled on the last leg. I don't expect people to read it or the summary before interacting with Kali, but I will be using it to inform how she reacts. Speaking from experience, events in childhood can have a huge impact and affect people for a long, long time. Even with that, I'm still figuring her out.

Now that we have that out of the way, on to the more pressing matter of Thalasi x Peri's portmanteau! Would it be Theri or Perlasi? :P

And how do y'all know I'm not secretly working with the GM to build a harem of studly types for Kali? That's the real twist of this game! :D

So the white robe will only use glitter and confetti for spell components to make sure everyone is happy

Dude, seriously? We're asking you to tone it down, not stop altogether. I'm hoping that this is meant to be a joke because it comes off as petulant otherwise. Just turn the dial down. You stepped over a line and we're just asking you to step back. As the GM says, he didn't mean it that way, and I hope you know that.

I am willing to tone things down but the same has to be true of the irda. Calling a chatacter in gsme, not the player, might be offensive to some. I'm sorry to make them uncomfortable but the constant ordering around and pecking from the ieda is no less distasteful from my point of view and I don't appreciate being the only one being called out by name by the DM when others contributed. As long as we are toning it down maybe you can tone down some of your behaviors as well?

Can we also not post with different aliases? It is hard to know who is who. From my point of view I am getting attacked and called out by more people than are actually in the game.

Okay, I won't do that anymore. I tend to post as my default when I'm being more serious and feel that I need to speak about something more personally, but if it is causing confusion, I'll just post as Kali.

That said, can you be more specific about what I need to tone down? Just asking me to tone down some of my behavior does none of us any good unless I know specifically what is causing an issue.

Also, I don't believe any of us has been attacking you. It may feel that way, but none of us have really said anything about you, personally. Our comments have been directed at what you have said and what Thalasi has done, but none of us has said or done anything personally to you, as far as I am aware. If that's not the case, then that needs to be brought up with the GM and the players in question.

As for why you have been called out, as we have said, Thalasi crossed a line. Yes he was provoked by Kali's prank, and it is a prank with no maliciousness intended, but he could have stopped at calling her out for the magic. Instead he went beyond that and called her a wench, which is not a polite thing to call anyone and has connotations with whore. Then he double-downed on that. Then, all of the sudden, you started saying that we weren't letting you roleplay because we were warning you that Thalasi was provoking both Peri and Kali to violent reactions.

Did Peri provoke Thalasi? Yes, she did, but I don't see where she crossed a line. Did Kali do the same? Yes, but again, I don't see where she crossed a line besides maybe casting a spell to do a harmless prank. If they did, please, point it out to us so we can know where we need to steer clear of in the future. If you can't or won't, then we don't have any way of knowing what it is that crossed that line. You've pointed out the nitpicking in general by Peri, but she seems to be doing that to everyone. You haven't pointed out anything to Kali that I can recall, so I'm at a loss as to what you expect me to tone down.

Stop casting your little so called mischievous spells on him. I explained further up why.

I have been looking back through the thread. Early on i was trying to be helpful by picking up the pencil you dropped on the inn. Peri response was that was meant for the kender, though that was not clear. Offering advice on trying to avoid large settlements because elves and kender tend to be distrusted and having monstrous characters to boot was also insulted. Pointing out that businesses tend to be friendly until money was no longer coming in was rebuked with you have been to seedy places as a white robe. Implications of being a dark elf for warning against and saying he would not touch some sorts of magic us also in there, so please stop acting as if Thalasi is the only one acting up when from the beginning Peri has been just as much to blame for actions he has taken and replies he has given. Plus demanding a fight is pretty bad as well.

So you can complain about him crossing lines but there are several examples of where Peri has done so with him. Oh and in the first post on this page I was called a dixk, not Thalasi, so there is an example of a personal attack.

As far as I can tell I have apologized. Sone Jacob was offered an apology who ever that is. I'm glad they received a apology.

Sorry, I thought Jacob was your name. I just double-checked and I see that I got someone's name wrong again.

Nope, I'm not a Jacob.

... I'm sorry, I have an observation, then a question. This is Peregrine's player.

First, the observation. I for one have changed to posting as The Wyrm Ouroboros -- and am continuing to do so -- specifically to ensure that I was posting as the player, that what I was saying -- especially over here in the Discussion Thread -- was being taken as conversation with the player of Thalasi, i.e.. 'JASON RODARTE'. If I erred in changing the capitalization on the name, or not using the entire name, I apologize for that.

Second, the question. Thalasi/JASON RODARTE, are you taking in-game OOC conversation/commentary, or pretty much any of the conversation in this thread where it discusses and addresses Thalasi, as being attacks on your player?

The reason I ask the latter is this: you have highlighted my (posting as Peregrine) Discussion thread observation that the 'dropped pencil' thing was probably meant for Bander as being an insult. You've also stated that ...

Oh and in the first post on this page I was called a dixk, not Thalasi, so there is an example of a personal attack.

... when we've been discussing Thalasi's actions, and not those of JASON RODARTE the player; no insult to the player was intended.

I do hope to get an answer to the qustion, for knowing how my actions are being taken by the player is critical in how I move forward.

When the word you is used in aby format that is meant to be the you in or out of discussion. When you use the character name that is different.

If you have noticed i have been careful to use character names in this discussion. Not using you or other pronouns to make that clear.

Oh. I see.

Please understand that your use and interpretation is non-standard, as most of the other people I've played with (including, I think, everyone else in this game) would understand the context of the conversation -- that the individual being referred to in a discussion about in-game RP was the character Thalasi and not the player JASON RODARTE -- and I want to make it absolutely clear to whom I refer at any specific point. This is why I am going to continue to post over here as the Wyrm Ouroboros, and not as Peregrine -- because doing so forces me into the mindset of being vigilantly aware of the difference, and helps me to specify.

It's my deduced conclusion that what you, JASON RODARTE, are understanding as the implied and unspecified context of much of the conversations are not what I (and possibly others) are understanding as the unspecified context and implications of a particular piece of conversation. I feel this information is particularly and especially highlighted in your complaints about statements made both in and out of character as outlined in this post.

I am leery of trying to gain explanations and mutual understanding of the conversations that have occurred in the past, in that it may not only inflame tempers again, but also frustrate one side, the other, or (most likely) both. I will state for the record that none of the examples given, in the context of the conversation in which they took place and as understood by myself and possibly others, were understood or taken in the ways that have been stated in the post linked above, particularly in light of the fact that it has also been stated by you, JASON RODARTE, that Thalasi is being played as being arrogant, which statement and roleplay has been agreed (and not only by me) to be the case; arrogance changes the attitude and implication of many things.

I am willing to modulate my actions and responses in regards to Thalasi. I will caution that this will result in Peregrine only rarely responding to him, and those responses most likely only being common courtesies. This is not something I would prefer, as I the player have been hoping to roleplay, but as the speech and actions composed by myself and placed in Peregrine's form are contentious and significantly offensive, I am willing to distance Peregrine's interactions from Thalasi. I am also willing to distance player interactions; I am disturbed by failures at contextualizing others' conciliatory actions (not my own actions), and am willing to interact at well beyond arms' length.

If this is acceptable to you, JASON RODARTE, please state such.

I am not the only one that has commented on Perigrines behavior and her bossyness.

Perhaps it would be easier if I just left since it appears that you want only to roleplay your character thr way you want but want to determine how I will, since it appears to me that peregrine is atrempting blameless in all of this. I mean you rolepla6ed her bossy and opinionated behavior very well.

I intend to address one thing at a time; Peregrine's 'bossyness' in regards to others is not the current subject, and falls outside the purview of our conversation in regards to our characters, as opposed to others. So right now I'm discussing interactions with you, JASON RODARTE.

Perhaps it would be easier if I just left since it appears that you want only to roleplay your character thr way you want but want to determine how I will, since it appears to me that peregrine is atrempting blameless in all of this. I mean you rolepla6ed her bossy and opinionated behavior very well.

I am not certain what word 'atrempting' is meant to indicate. However, I have not sought to make either Peregrine or myself blameless; I am simply not willing, at the moment, to perform a linguistic and literary analysis of the points of contention, to examine the context within which each takes place, the assumptions and insinuations made for each statement by all parties involved, and therefore the reasons for each response.

I will certainly state that Peregrine has talons, and that she has indeed unsheathed them more than once -- and not always against Thalasi, but Slam as well. It is primarily with Thalasi that things have gone downhill, and I agree that Peregrine is not bloodless in this.

However, I do not intend on forcing you, JASON RODARTE, to change how you view things that have already happened, nor am I willing to continue discussions while being attacked with accusations (by way of 'it appears') of trying to play others' characters for them. Nor am I willing to fight you in order to keep you in the game, particularly not against what I see as a passive-aggressive stance (the key being the use of 'Perhaps it would be easier if I just left').

Do what you think is right; my offer stands.

I like the concept if not the execution so far of ny character. Keep Peregrine away from him.

I don't want the group to break up right now over roleplaying or perceived attacks. Just when we are getting started. Just resolve this quickly so we can get back to roleplaying.

Remember peregrine threatened violence. As far as Thalasi 8s concerned, white robe or not, we walk then same paths for now.

I had posted.

I have since reconsidered my stance.

As JASON RODARTE has even now continued to pursue a campaign to try to shift the blame for his own impolite, inconsiderate, arrogant, ignorant, ill-conceived, and offensive gameplay, and place it onto Peregrine -- not one example of which is actually capable of being as gently interpreted as JASON RODARTE has suggested they should be in either this post or this -- I am no longer willing to 'play nice', keep my distance, or whatever.

JASON:
- You continue to complain that my commentary about that the pencil thing (that it was probably meant for Bander) was an attack; it was not. Nobody else sees it as one.
- You suggest that Thalasi's commentary about 'civilized places' was meant for kender and elves as well as 'monstrous races'; you cannot have your cake and eat it too, as Thalasi certainly considers elves to be civilized, which directly implies that he means the ogre at the very least, and possibly the member of the (highly civilized and widely-accepted) minotaur race as well, but not elves.
- Saying that he meant 'business tends to be friendly until the money stops coming in' is bullsh!t, when what he said was, 'Tell me, was there ever any undue treatment you tolerated for the chance of an extra steel for a tip, some unwanted attention since the customer was always right?bias it 4h3 customer or their coin?' This implies heavily that both Kali and Otik would be putting up with 'undue treatment', as compared to the 'smack them across the face, let the bouncer beat them up, and throw them out the door' actual event that is the reality in a good inn -- especially since this follows directly on Thalasi's comment about 'civilized places'.
- Peregrine also did not imply -- or mean to imply, certainly -- that Thalasi was a Dark Elf; her question about his leaving Qualinost very specifically did not ask if he was kicked out, and came on the heels of his pompous explanation about the Towers and the Lost Battles. If anything, it implied that he was insufferably snooty, to the point that even other elves can't stand him, but since he isn't evil (or even neutral) they can't actually kick him out, just -- and this is a quote -- 'strongly suggested' that he leave.

Don't even TRY to put the blame for your character's bad behavior onto me any more, as you did when saying 'so please stop acting as if Thalasi is the only one acting up when from the beginning Peri has been just as much to blame for actions he has taken and replies he has given. Plus demanding a fight is pretty bad as well.' I am not writing your posts; YOU ARE. Peregrine has backed off previously; you haven't backed off once. No player is to blame for the posts of another. And demanding a fight is by no means 'bad'.

Did Peregrine needle Thalasi? Yes; in most cases, she even did it mildly, even teasing. But your 'reminder' to the GM that Peregrine was willing to step up and beat the ever-living sh!t out of Thalasi for offering an offense that demands it means that you are not actually willing to modulate your behavior. And I am no longer willing to step back and let you continue to be an assh0le without responding.

Every single other person here, player and GM, is recognizing that you went too far. You are barely doing that, and every time you do, it's followed by pointing the finger at Peregrine and sometimes Kalisuel. I am no longer willing to let you get away with that.

I refuse to have Peregrine do anything but continue to respond to Thalasi's actions and words as they warrant response. If it comes to it, as any sort of PvP (including, you know, slapping the sh!t out of an assh0le who desperately needs it) has been formally disallowed, I will continue to play the game until ejected specifically to ensure that Thalasi's bad behavior has consequences, however minor they may be.

If you, JASON RODARTE, you continue to play Thalasi as a snotty, sh!tty, arrogant fvcktard, then yeah, I'm going to make sure that Peregrine remains in his face, calling him on his bullsh!t. If, however, you modulate Thalasi's attitude and offensiveness, and actually consider the real implications of what you post as compared to the ones you create in your head, then there's nothing to worry about; Peregrine will be perfectly courteous.

I'll be damned if I leave a game I've wanted to play since forever because of a bad player like you, but the choice of what happens going forward is yours. Choose your path.

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To the rest of everyone:

The above, addressed to Jason, is inflammatory, yes. His petty reminder that 'peregrine threatened violence' (which was not a threat, but a promise that is only stayed by the fact that the GM is not permitting PvP) was the last straw; I despise bullsh!t like that, and I refuse to let him get away with it. I hope that that doesn't touch upon the interactions I have with the rest of you -- which requires some addressing.

Since leaving the Inn, so far as I can tell I have asked politely any time I've offered direction; if I haven't after that point, by all means point me at where I didn't. I have been recommending direction and ideas in part because it's not being done by anyone else. Vrog, Slam would be the logical one to lead -- he has the staff, he's a follower of the god of honor and (basically) the military. I deduce that you don't have the same posting capability, so while I'm willing to step back and let you lead, recognize that that'll slow things down. Recognize also that that'll mean that you have to lead -- if you go this route, we're all counting on you to follow through.

I also may be posting Peregrine as a 'know-it-all', but if that's the interpretation, no offense to anyone who is taking that interpretation, but tough -- Peregrine's corrected two people on their language (Kalisuel, 'the boat' as compared to 'a boat', and Bander, 'pier' versus 'dock'), she possesses a point in every knowledge skill so yeah, she Knows Stuff, but it isn't like she's lecturing people on dangerous magic items and the history of the Towers of High Sorcery and the Kingpriest -- or on any other topic. If that's a know-it-all, fine, I'll take that.

Peregrine has reacted poorly to things she has seen as being ignorant, ill-conceived, offensive, impolite, inconsiderate, or in contrast to actions previously taken. The thing with the boat is an example of the latter; the refusal of Slam to accept assistance or to move under cover are examples of 'ill-conceived'. Virtually everything else has been in reaction to something butt-@ss stupid on the part of Thalasi.

If anyone's been otherwise offended, let me know, and I'll take a look and see if there's something I can do.

I apologized for my behavior. I don't recall you, yes YOU as doing so. You. It seems to me that YOU yes you seem to think that you are the star of this campaign. As such Peregrine has come across as a know it all mother who thinks that she is the end all and be all in the game. Apparently taking things out of context is not limited to myself as I yes me, Jason Rodarte, gave a reason in discussion a reason as to why my character was out of Qualanesti. Your character has chosen in her pompesity and desire to pontificate to take everything Thalasi has said in a negative light.For example Thalasi was using the term kenderkin as one of resoect and she which was none of Peregrine's business, took offense to it, so your character herself is also as you put it a dick and a fvcktard. So please if YOU yes YOU want to come out swinging mi hito, be prepared for the same.

oh and Pergrines player, you yes you read Slams post at 624 am today as you yes you can clutch your pearls to see that other players have had issues with her.

Oh and as you said Thalasi is not responsible for Peregrines bad behavior, YOU are.

And from an early post your character implied mistrust of mine from her pov asking of yourself if he was here to force you into making a decision as to the Orders

Oh, absolutely -- though that was before we established that even if you didn't take the Wizard of High Sorcery PrC, if you'd taken the Test you were still a member. Which is why her cloak of protection was converted into her Red Robe.

However, mmm ... no, no you haven't apologized. You did say 'As far as I can tell I have apologized. Sone Jacob was offered an apology who ever that is. I'm glad they received a apology,' which to be frank is a dick move when by context it was clear Kalisuel's player was addressing you. That doesn't mean you apologized, make that an apology, or any other thing of the sort. All the rest of your posts have been b!tching about how I share the fault in your bad behavior. So if you want to have apologized, I would suggest you actually come out and do so.

No, I have not apologized -- to you -- for my earlier posts. Until I see a change in your behavior, I will not offer one, and I may not offer one even then. Nor do I need an apology; if you owe anyone an apology, it's Kalisuel, whom you mortally insulted.

Yes, my responses to whatever ill-conceived things you put into Thalasi's hands are my own fault; I for one have never denied this, nor have I ever thought it to be otherwise, whether for a text-based game like this or RL; my actions are my own, thank you. I do not blame you for my actions.

I do, however, blame you for your own. If you have Thalasi act like an assh0le, Thalasi will be treated (by me at least) as the assh0le he is being. Don't act like an assh0le, and you won't be treated as one, but as a social member of the group. In my opinion, if you continue in this vein then the first time we interact socially with NPCs is when Thalasi will crash and burn most spectacularly; I don't know if the GM is willing to allow players Plot Armor to an extent, protecting them from the consequences of their social actions, but I'm looking forward to finding out.

I do have issue with the idea that Peregrine has been pompous or pontificated, but I don't mind you having that belief; it does fit in with you ascribing to other people the actions you have Thalasi enact.

Lastly, I have no intention of 'coming out swinging', as you put it; I don't need to come out swinging, or even swing at all. You will play Thalasi however you wish; I will play Peregrine as I have so far, willing to defend her friend and willing to not put up with an elven White Robe's arrogant snotty bullsh!t, even when he insults her by suggesting she return her Robe and 'maintain the status of dabbler and hedge wizaes' -- to which she responded thus:

"Definitely something to keep in mind," Peregrine agrees with (perhaps surprising) equanimity, then shakes her head a little; she otherwise keeps her attention on the beach behind them.

So, y'know -- ball's in your court.

But according to her background didn't she leave without making an allegiance to the moons?

Clearly you don't read very well. Let me bold it: That was before we established that even if you didn't take the Wizard of High Sorcery PrC, if you'd taken the Test you were still a member.

Clearly your characters background isn't important enough to be read especially when that was determined while I was recovering from eye surgery mi hito.

desist your foul language in your description of me. See how this works?

And no, I don't know Kalis background. From what I have read from her postings it is a small novel that I frankly have neither the time or the desire or interest to read. I was not aware that reading of your characters life story was a prerequisite to interacting with her.

Apparently nobody's is -- at least to you. Also, my statement that it was written prior to the decision was just made, so your excuse about eye surgery doesn't apply. In any case, no, I haven't changed that part of the background, and thank you for the reminder (however phrased) to do so.

If 'mi hito' is meant to be 'mi hijo', I'll request you to stop that immediately. I am not 'your son' in any sense of the word.

desist your foul language in your description of me. See how this works?

Congratulations, you had a civil interaction.