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So... What the heck do sorcerer's spend money on? I'm going to nab some scrolls and stuff, but other than that... what? Some defensive items and a Cha headband are the only things that come to mind (and a robe of Arcane Heritage in the future). That's fine with me, but am I overlooking/ignorant of something else that would be useful to a spontaneous caster?
Will get leveling and purchases done today.
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Missed this thread entirely! Whoops!
I've been told I need to get a Quarterstaff of Entwined Serpents. May be beyond your Fame requirements at present. I have a similar problem in general with Kasumi (that illusion/enchantment sorc I mentioned before), but I eventually got me a Lupine Robe and Sleeves of Many Garments!
Kasumi's more of a prankster than Itami, though.
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GM, do we have room for a little fireside chat or are we about to get into another fight? Not trying to metagame and I 100% respect your right to not give an answer! But I quick storytelling by the fire without the suspicious eyes of strangers would be how Itami would want to handle the current situation if possible:)
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I'm happy to GM - of the scenarios that look to be a fit on our pfstracker I can offer 4-15 The Cyphermage Dilemma, or 4-18 The Veteran's Vault.
I'm currently running a couple of tables, which will probably want a few weeks to complete but should be done by Gameday. I'll be running a module during Gameday, but could happily run a scenario for this group at the same time as that module.
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I do not know what a Paladin is and other then the fortune I have had in my life I cannot think what my blessing would be.
Sorry, that's my fault. IIRC, somewhere in the AMA thread with James Jacobs, he said that knowledge of classes as we know them is common knowledge. The idea that someone is a rogue or a fighter or a paladin are things people on Golarion understand. Honestly, I can't find the post and it very well could have been in an entirely different thread. As a player, I sort of just scooped it up and ran with it, never thinking anything of it (especially since his opinions are nothing close to official rulings)! I apologize if I ruptured the 4th wall there.
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Oh, no apology necessary. :D
A smarter or more experienced pathfinder would have known what a Paladin is, but Kenta certainly has no formal training with any holy warrior orders nor has the awareness at the moment to know where his abilities come from. This mission might give him a lot to think about though.
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Oh ok! I am relieved haha I was worried I "party fouled" (no pun intended). I still had Itami acting on information he didn't actually know though, so basically he just doesn't want the try-hard-goody-two-shoes to assault him when he shares his story ;)
Also, after multiple shots in the dark, I found the post I was referencing!
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Not to contradict JJ (who is, of course, way more in it than I am), but I always figured that some classes were more obvious than others. For example, your average Venture-Captain might see a dude in full plate channeling divine energy to smite his foes and immediately go, "That's a Paladin," whereas someone who moves lightly and carries around a pair of blades is more of a gray area (could be a fighter, a rogue, a ranger, a slayer...) and is more likely to be seen as "an agile warrior" than a specific class.
Of course, that's just my take on it. And regardless, in this situation we're discussing Paladins, who are probably just about the easiest to tell (right up there with maybe Clerics, Druids, and Monks).
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I don't think that, at least in those posts, he is saying you can identify every class, but you might be able to tell some and most people know some typical features of a class. So yeah, clerics channel divine magic and energy and are strong willed, but is that a paladin or a cleric? Hard to say just by looking at them. Martial characters are even harder to identify because many of their class features aren't activated or obvious, looking at fighters bonus feats and training features here.
Regardless, I will say that technically, on Golorian, almost all Paladins must receive training to be a paladin, it is a trained class. However there is an archetype for untrained paladins called Chosen One. I don't think it really matters, just pointing out some Paizo lore there.
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Yeah! I'm not trying to say that we all automatically know each others classes, just explaining why I assumed (incorrectly) that 1. Itami knew Kenta was a Paladin 2. Kenta knows he is a Paladin. Some classes definitely make sense for them to be the same as their "profession." Cleric, wizard, ranger, alchemist, maybe even inquisitor for example. On the other hand, the line between a paladin and a warpriest, the many accurate names for what is mechanically a rogue, and I'm sure plenty others make his comment on the matter actually a little strange to me tbh. Haha especially when you through archetypes into the mix, like you said GM!
I can imagine the one peasant who has kept up with the classes whip out a book, several inches thick, when he meets adventurer and begins identifying their class levels! XD
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I can't get with the notion that anybody in Golarion knows what a 'class' is, or knows that anybody belongs to that 'class' - they're strictly meta-concepts for players of the game, in my view.
If the contrary were true, NPC class members would know they were NPCs and that would annihilate all social structure. "Hey, Lord Bob is an Aristocrat." "Whaaat? I'm a Fighter/Rogue man, no way I'm listening to that loser!"
I would never make an in-character introduction saying something like "I am Ikari Hateshinai, urban barbarian and varisian pilgrim cleric of Daikitsu." I might say "I am Ikari, I am the endless rage of the the divine Daikitsu, a holy warrior and a preacher."
If characters are thought of in terms of having a profession though, that makes a bit more sense. The various martial classes are 'warriors' (paladins being obviously a bit different in being declared divinely inspired champions of good and law), arcane casters are 'mages', divine casters are 'priests', rogue-likes are 'rogues' or 'thieves' or 'scouts' or possibly any number of things.
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I certainly think there is something to be said for those of certain inclinations especially locally. You could likely easily say that is a cleric of the church or a druid. Some are more nebulous like that roguish character or a "warrior/soldier/whatever the local term is for partially inclined".
I certainly play my warpriest as knowing the difference between clerics, paladins, and himself. He takes pride in being the most "unconstrained" of his gods chosen. He cares more about killing evil outsiders than he does about the strict codes or preaching.
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GM, are you re-joining us for the next scenario?
I've had a look at the pfstracker with me removed from the group so I can see what I could GM. There are a few more options that come up, but a lot of these then disappear again with GM Zer0darkfire added back in.
If we're not getting you back next session I could run 7-24 Dead Man's Debt, but I'd need to get the GM credit for it reassigned to Ikari. I just GM'd it yesterday so it won't have been reported yet.
(I hope we will see your monk-wizard concept though GM :)
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Hey guys, as we near the beginning of August, I need to inform you of some changes to my presence here on the boards. On August 19th, I'll be starting full-time graduate school while working full-time as a teacher. I don't really know what to expect in terms of workload from graduate school, but I've heard its...quite intensive. To that end, I'm significantly cutting back on my PbP campaigns.
For this group, this mainly means that I probably won't be able to run games for you guys for the near future after this one, but I'll have to feel out my grad school classes and see what happens. That also means you definitely shouldn't include me as a player in your tracker group. Thanks guys!
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Good luck with your studies - I'm a part-time doctoral student, I work near full time hours in other paid employment, so the doctoral research is a long term effort. I'm around 3 years in to a roughly 7 year project. But that's currently on hold since I became a father 8 months ago - I hope to go back to my research in earnest next year.
Since Zer0darkfire can't join us in further fox games for a while at least, may I propose that I run 7-24 Dead Man's Debt next?
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Good luck with your studies - I'm a part-time doctoral student, I work near full time hours in other paid employment, so the doctoral research is a long term effort. I'm around 3 years in to a roughly 7 year project. But that's currently on hold since I became a father 8 months ago - I hope to go back to my research in earnest next year.
Since Zer0darkfire can't join us in further fox games for a while at least, may I propose that I run 7-24 Dead Man's Debt next?
I'm studying library science with a concentration in public school media at East Carolina University entirely online. It should take two years taking 3 classes a semester and I'll have a teaching liscense at the end of my program as well. I'm definitely interested in continuing for my PhD at some point, but I'll not sure when or even if I'll do so.
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Cool. My thesis is political theory. It's about work and automation. Essentially, what should a good society do if (or when) the robots take all the jobs? The short answer is that it should make sure that humans get the wages even when robots do the work, but I need about 80,000 words to explain why I am right about that ;)
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Good luck GM! Thank you so much for what you've done for us! I just finished up a year long program with full-time student teaching and full-time grad school. It was rough, but doable. It definitely required being proactive. What do you teach? In terms of a PhD, I'd look at what you want out of your career before deciding.
Ikari, I would be very interested in your findings/thoughts on that topic! In the program I mentioned above, a big part of our teacher classes was how do we prepare students (and ourselves as teachers) for a future that is becoming increasingly automated/technology driven.
Dead Mans Debt looks good to me!
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Good luck GM! Thank you so much for what you've done for us! I just finished up a year long program with full-time student teaching and full-time grad school. It was rough, but doable. It definitely required being proactive. What do you teach? In terms of a PhD, I'd look at what you want out of your career before deciding.
Ikari, I would be very interested in your findings/thoughts on that topic! In the program I mentioned above, a big part of our teacher classes was how do we prepare students (and ourselves as teachers) for a future that is becoming increasingly automated/technology driven.
Dead Mans Debt looks good to me!
In my considered opinion, no job is safe against advancing automation. We now have machines capable of carrying out cognitive tasks previously only doable by humans. That's the difference between the current industrial revolution and those that have gone before. IBM's Watson software performs medical diagnoses; we have algorithms that can detect cancers from imaging scans with greater accuracy than humans who have trained for years for the job.
The most difficult tasks to automate are those requiring emotional labour - but at present, a great deal of that kind of labour is unpaid. We expect care to be given freely and not to be monetised. And perhaps that's right. So in the Higher Education setting, humans providing pastoral care or counselling to students are better proofed against robotisation than lecturers are. Algorithms can be used to mark undergrad essays now. (Some academics would say thank god for that).
Of course, we might decide as a society that we don't want maximal automation - that we prefer to reserve certain areas of employment for humans only. The biggest temptation (for capital owners) is to use human labour where it is cheap and easy to replace, and use machine labour for expensive work, where the investment in machine capital is paid off more quickly. But reserving only drudge jobs for humans would be a mistake likely to lead to social unrest, as the gulf in living standards between the owners of machine labour and those still forced to sell their own labour, possibly in competition with machines, widens.
When I say that we need to keep the wages, I am arguing for socialised ownership of machine labour. Our notion of work as a site of human fulfilment needs to change.
In my paid employment I am a trade union official. I advocate and negotiate for public sector workers (mainly in Higher Education, currently). I am probably more likely to take up a research job with one of the international trade union federations than I am to go into traditional Academia after completing my doctorate.
While not near as in depth as you've gone into it, we basically came to the same conclusion as far as automation's ability to replace people in jobs. I'd argue there is already some unrest between the owners of the means of production and the laborers in most of the Western World, but unifying against machines would probably be a more effective catalyst than the current situation (with the American political atmosphere as Exhibit A for a place where massive unrest probably should have already occurred, but has not).
If societies moved towards a more fully socialized society, do you think some countries would start getting smaller? AFAIK, one of the common critiques of the method is that it doesn't work on a large scale (I'm no expert on this matter, but I don't think the world has seen socialism on a grand scale in good faith yet. The policies adopted by several European countries though look very promising).
Taking steps towards a socialized state would probably make it a lot easier to "stomach" for places who have been indoctrinated into thinking socialism is the brutal death of the free world! I support UBI as well.
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I'm not sure what you mean by countries getting smaller? Do you mean in population, or GDP?
I'm not really in favour of central planning of a whole society. The tendency to corruption undermines such efforts. However, if we could be reasonably certain that machines could undertake that planning and be proof against hacking then that might be a route to a more equitable society. We're still a long way off that - an example of such a society would be Iain M Banks' 'Culture'.
Sadly, the word 'socialism' has been so long misrepresented or misunderstood that the political theory probably needs a re-brand (oh, the irony of that). The right-wing has done such a thorough job of convincing people that they are the sole guardians of 'freedom', in contradiction of all the evidence. He is not free who is compelled to sell his labour or starve.
One of the thoughts underpinning my research is that human flourishing requires liberation from the need to labour for a wage, and that liberation requires both advanced automation and the collectivisation of the ownership of machine labour.
Given that paizo shut down all the political threads on the forums a while back, this conversation is probably better continued on our discord channel.