is a tiefling's blood devil enough for Infernal Healing?

it is an argument between me and the parties wizard. i say he is not while he says he is, even though he is not a devil. and i don't like the idea of being injected with pure evil. i think it would influence your actions. like try and kill the jerk who keeps doing douche things to his party members.

"The target detects as an evil creature for the duration of the spell and can sense the evil of the magic, though this has no long-term effect on the target’s alignment."

Does he have the devil subtype? No? Then his blood isn't devil blood for game purposes.

While tieflings may be descended from devils, they are not themselves devils. And not even all tieflings are descended from devils - any evil outsider could produce tieflings.

I agree with Fuzzy-Wuzzy. Devil is a defined subtype of the Outsider type. Tieflings do not have that subtype, they are not devils.

A Tiefling is not a Devil, though if he has a Spell Component Pouch or the Eschew Materials feat this is no problem as it is not an expensive material component.
The spell says you anoint the target with the blood, not inject the target.
Are you a player or the GM? If you're a player it's perfectly fine for your character to not want the Wizard to use this spell on you because it's Evil magic (i.e. the Evil descriptor) though benefiting from the spell doesn't have any effect other than what it says. It doesn't actually do anything your alignment; it simply makes you detect as Evil for the duration.

you smear concentrated evil into an open wound it will get under your skin somehow.

that's what i said to him. the stuff about tieflings not being devil subtype.

and yes those materials are expensive unholy water costs 25 gp. who knows how much devil blood costs.... your soul mayhaps?
"You can cast any spell with a material component costing 1 gp or less without needing that component."
"a spell component pouch is assumed to have all the material components and focuses needed for spellcasting, except for those components that have a specific cost,"

its a two players no DM involved. and he has been doing things to piss off my pc in character.

you smear concentrated evil into an open wound it will get under your skin somehow.

that's what i said to him. the stuff about tieflings not being devil subtype.

and yes those materials are expensive unholy water costs 25 gp. who knows how much devil blood costs.... your soul mayhaps?
"You can cast any spell with a material component costing 1 gp or less without needing that component."
"a spell component pouch is assumed to have all the material components and focuses needed for spellcasting, except for those components that have a specific cost,"

its a two players no DM involved. and he has been doing things to piss off my pc in character.

The unholy water has a specified cost, yes. It isn't included in a spell component pouch.

The drop of devils blood has no specific cost, as none is listed. That means it is included in every spell component pouch for free.

ask your GM

its a two players no DM involved. and he has been doing things to piss off my pc in character.

ughm... ask each other.

where are people getting willing devil blood? or is it unwilling devil blood? i think i will call shenanigans on devil and angel blood a priceless resource. one is guna piss off the planes of hell and the other is clearly an evil act. murdering angels for their blood but hey if someones skinning angels they might as well be draining them for their blood for spell component pouches. and its not free you have to pay high level adventures for hunting down your free component and if you have to pay someone to get it its not free and if you have to pay a high level adventure for it its going to cost more then holy or unholy water. and you can't get donations from summons once they vanish their left overs evaporate or something.

where are people getting willing devil blood? or is it unwilling devil blood? i think i will call shenanigans on devil and angel blood a priceless resource. one is guna piss off the planes of hell and the other is clearly an evil act. murdering angels for their blood but hey if someones skinning angels they might as well be draining them for their blood for spell component pouches. and its not free you have to pay high level adventures for hunting down your free component and if you have to pay someone to get it its not free and if you have to pay a high level adventure for it its going to cost more then holy or unholy water. and you can't get donations from summons once they vanish their left overs evaporate or something.

The devil blood is likely a perfectly legitimate and willingly traded good. I mean... it is from devils. The wheeler and dealers of the outplanes.

So where? ...Cheliax, and its satellite states, obviously. It is likely a multipronged plan by hell.

-Asmodeus's clerics can't spontaneously cast cure spells, and their channel energy doesn't heal people. Since even basic cure spells drive the average person from 'dying' to 'fine' in one go, that can be hard to compete with. So an infernal method of healing is an obvious choice for closing that gap. I know that clerics have other abilities than healing... but it is hard to overcome the "saved your father from the weasel attack" boost in popularity.
-Increased acceptance of using evil spells and summoning devils to trade for blood. That seems like a win fro team evil, since it encourages people to look at other potential deals more favorably.
-The mass trade of devil blood likely brings Cheliax a lot of money. Since the devils want cheliax to succeed and take over everything, it isn't hard to justify giving it. ...at a price, of course.

So all that..., and some wizard schools make imp summoning a core part of their curriculum. To the point that failed summonings have lead to flocks of imps being a public nuisance. So either use of a person's own imp familiar, or the hunts and/or "milking" of wild imps to help solve a nuisance.

where are people getting willing devil blood? or is it unwilling devil blood? i think i will call shenanigans on devil and angel blood a priceless resource. one is guna piss off the planes of hell and the other is clearly an evil act. murdering angels for their blood but hey if someones skinning angels they might as well be draining them for their blood for spell component pouches. and its not free you have to pay high level adventures for hunting down your free component and if you have to pay someone to get it its not free and if you have to pay a high level adventure for it its going to cost more then holy or unholy water. and you can't get donations from summons once they vanish their left overs evaporate or something.

Dragon scales are also a component in a spell, but most people are not killing dragons so really there should not be enough of that either.

My point is that the components are not logic based. They never have been, not in 3.5, and not in Pathfinder when they changed a few rules.

I am sure that if you check enough spells a few other components should not be around in abundance or in a caster's spell component pouch for various logical reasons, but yet they are freely availible with no cost and expected to be available.

well if one of the the spells component cost is 50GP then the other should be of equal or greater cost not lesser.

well if one of the the spells component cost is 50GP then the other should be of equal or greater cost not lesser.

There are some spells that have a component more expensive than another. Usually, they are spells with a material component for arcane casters, and a divine focus for divine casters. Like undeath to death:

Components: V, S, M/DF (diamond powder worth 500 gp)

Arcane casters have to spend 500 gp each and every thime they want to cast the spell. Divine casters only have to use their 1 gp holy symbol, which can be used an infinite number of times.

So there is precedent for one component costing more than another. It is bad design, but they do exist.

well then the blood is meant for the arcane caster and the holy/unholy water is meant for the divine casters. and by your example the arcane component should cost so much more, while the divine caster is taping into his/her god's powers.

well then the blood is meant for the arcane caster and the holy/unholy water is meant for the divine casters. and by your example the arcane component should cost so much more, while the divine caster is taping into his/her god's powers.

My example was for a spell with a material/divine focus component. Infernal healing just has a material component - any caster can use the devils blood, and any caster could use the unholy water. An arcane caster can use unholy waterto castinfernal healing, and a divine caster could use the blood.

I only used undeath to death and similar spells to show that there are spells with different costs depending on which component you use. The same can be true for infernal healing - one component can have a cost, while the other doesn't.

Also Zainale, neither of those has a cost. The spell cost for a "1 dose of unholy water". Holy water is sold by the flask.

If you want to FAQ it then go to this thread and press the FAQ button.