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Discuss Here! Questions about building a character? Rules of the game? Advice from other players? This is the place to do it! Remember, we are all learning an almost entirely new game so don't be mean or talk down to each other. All questions are welcome.
Just because I'm GMing does not mean I know more about this game than any of the rest of you. If I run something wrong and you know it, tell me!
Was thinking of building an angelic sorcerer, simply because it's cool. Problem though is that using the divine spell list means there aren't any offensive cantrips. In between rounds that he doesn't cast spells, seems he can only be spamming crossbow bolts. Hmm...
Or maybe a cleric instead...
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It looks like it is a lot easier for a sorcerer to spam crossbow bolts though, or even swing a finesse weapon. They are basically full BAB since they are trained in simple weapons, have a good dex stat and you're very likely to hit as well as anyone else. It also looks like ranged attacks are much easier since most creatures don't give others cover from your attacks and only give a +1AC for "in melee".
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Some information on The Lost Star; This section of the AP is pretty much all dungeon. The AP also suggests that any Goblins take the Goblin Renegade background, although it is not required.
In addition, the AP states that "In Doomsday Dawn, players must select from the following unique character backgrounds while creating characters for “The Lost Star.”" on page 3. While I won't be enforcing this requirement, as it seems the main reason to choose these backgrounds is to have some RP connection to Keleri and Magnimar, keep in mind that we are playtesting so we should generally follow things as written.
It looks like it is a lot easier for a sorcerer to spam crossbow bolts though, or even swing a finesse weapon. They are basically full BAB since they are trained in simple weapons, have a good dex stat and you're very likely to hit as well as anyone else. It also looks like ranged attacks are much easier since most creatures don't give others cover from your attacks and only give a +1AC for "in melee".
Played around with a few different builds for sorcerer but couldn't quite make it work. Went I got to piling heavy armor on it (since it's just a -2 to AC for being untrained), I decided I was going too far. :) So decided to go with a cleric instead for what I have in mind.
Exploration Mode:
Normal - Searching
Social - Carousing
Alright, Andrus' character is ready to go!
Exploration: Wandering
Social: Conversing
Looking forward to kicking off the campaign today!
Andrus fights with a reach weapon so is best placed in the 2nd rank where he can do that, while throwing healing on the frontliners where needed. Olise, not sure if you intended to be in the 2nd rank on the map. Can I swap with you?
Got it!
Separately, need a GM ruling on this since I think the rulebook is vague here. As Andrus fights with a two-handed weapon and would repeatedly need to take a hand off to manipulate his holy symbol when casting spells, what actions would taking off the hand off the weapon, and putting the hand back on be? My take is that removing the hand should be a free action as it is akin to Drop a weapon (but still held on in the other hand), but it seems it would take an Interact action to grab the weapon again.
Separately, it seems no longer possible to Ready to cast most spells since you can only ready an single action and most spells take two actions.
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In any other situation I would say, not a problem it's a non-action or something similar. However, we are play testing, and I know clerics have a feat option of emblazon holy symbol that solves this problem, because of this I feel like it is intentionally difficult to cast divine spells without a free hand.
"A character typically has two hands, allowing her to hold an item in each hand or a single two-handed item using both hands. Drawing or changing how you’re carrying an item usually requires an Interact action (dropping items instead uses the Drop action)"
Sounds like you could drop the item as a free then pick it up as an action. You could also stow and then draw the item as two actions. Humorously enough on page 175 it states that you need 1 or 2 free hands to drop an item which doesn't make much sense to me, dropping also has the manipulate trait which seems strange to me as well.
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On the spell thing, I'm not that familiar with the spell casting, but if a spell requires verbal casting and somatic casting, couldn't you spend one action on verbal and then 2 actions to ready the somatic?
Update: Apparently not as "casting a spell" is an activity and "activities must be completed all at once". I really hope they create a way in which you can ready a spell. I think my previous example would be a perfectly fine way to do it.
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I'm looking at STR 18, DEX 12, CON 16, INT 10, WIS 10, and CHA 12.
As a human with 2 free boosts, he went +2STR and +2CON, his background gave him +2STR and +2 CON, his four free boosts went to STR,DEX,CON, AND CHA, and his class boost went to STR. This gives 18 STR, 12 DEX, 16 CON, 10 INT, 10 WIS, AND 10 CHA. I don't see an issue?
It’s already been fixed. I wasn’t aware of the category issue, but all Con-related stats have been updated to reflect the drop by 2. Thanks so much for pointing that out.
I'm realizing that our slowness here is 99% the fault of the paizo website, but maybe you could group all the enemies attacks into one so we aren't waiting for 1 person to go.
I would like to continue, with a couple of days to update our character to new rules. Although there are a number of updates, most are character specific, so for each of us, only a small number of relevant. Otherwise, rules-wise, the greatest update is on dying, which thankfully, none of us have encountered. Bulk of the rest of the rules are still relevant. Just my two cents worth.
I’m fine either way, though it is kinda rough to be running rules they’ve changed so drastically. GM’s choice on this one.
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Here is a list of upcoming changes as well.
We are very close to being done, so I'm going to finish running the adventure.
yeah, let's put the boss down... feel free to advance us to it!
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Thanks for sticking with the game during the website outages. Plan was to finish this a very long time ago, hopefully before they pushed any major updates to the game, but that didn't quite work out.
Hope you all enjoyed Pathfinder 2.0, I've heard the changes in 2.3 are good and that an even greater change is coming, especially involving resonance mechanics.
@Biffin, there is an update to grease that now allows for a reflex save or acrobatics check from what I glanced over about it as well as some other changes to it, might want to check it out.
Thanks for running. I enjoyed it very much. Digging quite a bit of the rules, especially the 3-action combat.
Thanks for running it and the note on grease (that spell made me mad even though it really wasn't a big deal ultimately).
I'm probably holding off on any future playtesting. I'm only going to confuse myself with so many rule systems and will just try to master 2.0 when it comes out. :)