The window Inire looked into leads into whatever room is directly inside the doors. The window Nathara looked into is definitely not that room.
If the window is locked with a cotter or a simple hook it might be possible to fiddle a wire through the frame and unlock it... if you know where it is.
It might be simpler to get in on the north side, though.
Agreed on both counts... though the low-hanging, sleeping fruit is always tempting.
The only way to know is to check – probably safer on one of the northern windows. Tiferet would be useless in that regard though – we need one of the stealthy character to do it.
I added more thumps in the spoiler, so that if she goes unnoticed we can just automate all the thumping.
Mouse will respond when she doesn't have to worry about waking the folks up with the whisper. :) It's highly unlikely... but I don't wanna risk it :S
Of course. Slow and steady ;)
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I'm trying to find a way to make Skald more party-friendly, so you feel less bad about being one.
So far, what I have is:
Bard/Skald stack. I think they stack well. Others disagree ;)
Party Members could take a level of urban barbarian, bloodrager, or similar, in order to be able to continue to somewhat function during rages.
There's an Archetype that buffs weapons: Spell Warrior, but I'm not sure it really fits your character. Retraining definitely wouldn't be overly hard.
Since Mouse just knocked out a ton of them we might be able to just charge in now so if you want Eve to open the main door she can be a distraction for the two in the back
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Actually, I believe I have a way to deal with the inspired rage bit. You could use your first mythic ability to get an enhanced version that lets people still use spells while under it's influence. Mythic Inspired Rage would be interesting.
Any plan that gets us inside I'm good with
When you're ready to put your plan into action, go for it. I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out.
That makes two of us :)
The Master Skald 20th level ability does exactly that, though that's probably just a little bit too much of a long-term solution (also, the Fated Champion archetype trades this for the ability to force a reroll).
Without forcing anyone to take levels in classes they didn't plan for, the Bard / Skald option or the Mythic Inspired Rage one seem the most promising to me. It also will take a while to get there, but Greater Beast Totem would give everybody in the party the Pounce ability – imagine Inire charging in the Surprise round and dealing three sneak attacks on an unsuspecting foe. A pouncing Mouse is a fearsome Mouse indeed.
As for the plan... I suggest the following. Inire knocked out three of them, so there's still 8 bandits plus their leader to deal with. Some of them might be sleeping in some of the unlit rooms, though. There's no way (barring the favour of the dice gods whose whims I'm not inclined to tempt) Tiferet would manage to enter the lodge unheard. So she would cast vanish on Eirikr and Morgraine, allowing them to slip in undetected from the same window Inire opened, and then tell Vosi to fly in too. Just like the previous ambush, she would join the fray once the battle already started, hopefully through the eastern door if Eve's +15 Bluff knocking manages to open it.
My money, however, is that after a Sleep + Colour Spray + Charging sneak attack + obscuring mist + Nathara combo, her intervention won't even be needed (at least as far as the first wave is concerned).
Okay, two questions before I move us forward.
Eirikr, are you going in the front door with Tiferet and Evelyn or in the window with Mouse and company? Ashen's not going to be able to get through the window easily.
Mouse, are you going to CDG the last two bandits? You've only taken out one of them so far so the other two could still hear the party slipping in. You have at least long enough to take one more out. If Nathara takes the other one, you can knock out both of the sleeping bandits.
Okay, two questions before I move us forward.
Eirikr, are you going in the front door with Tiferet and Evelyn or in the window with Mouse and company? Ashen's not going to be able to get through the window easily.
Mouse, are you going to CDG the last two bandits? You've only taken out one of them so far so the other two could still hear the party slipping in. You have at least long enough to take one more out. If Nathara takes the other one, you can knock out both of the sleeping bandits.
I believe I can answer the second question at least ;)
I added more thumps in the spoiler, so that if she goes unnoticed we can just automate all the thumping.
As many as needed, repeating the process.
Tiferet waited for confirmation every bandit has been knocked unconscious before giving Morgraine and Eirikr the all clear.
Whoops, I did miss that. Okay, all three bandits are unconscious then.
If Eirikr doesn't want to enter the lodge through the window, I'll retcon this part
"Inire and Nathara are inside. Inire knocked out for good three bandits who were sleeping in the southern room, so we now have a safe access to the lodge" she reports, turning toward Eirikr and Morgraine who are waiting besides her at the mouth of the trail. "There should be an open window just past that corner on the door's left. I'll make you disappear just like I did with Nathara, so there's no chance your approach will be discovered. Ashen, Eve, and I shall be trying our luck at the door, and join the fray once the battle starts. Vosi, you should have little trouble flying in undetected" she concludes, addressing the sprite-like fey.
That said, she murmurs the same incantation she did before, and with a gentle touch, first Eirikr and then Morgraine vanish without a trace, leaving just an imperceptible flicker where they once stood.
"Eirikr and Morgraine are about to join you. Vosi too. See if you can lay some blankets on the floor by the window to muffle their entrance" she whispers to their vanguard.
and not cast Tiferet's last Vanish on the boy-wolf. Also, the instant the front door clicks open, she gives Nathara, Vosi and Morgraine the signal to attack. Let's try to prevent this guy from reaching the stairs.
Put it in gameplay and it happened. Also, I'll get to the full post and get combat started tomorrow. It's getting late where I am and I need some sleep. Things are about to get interesting. Also, the guy ran to the stairs before the door opened. Sorry.
Sigh... such a well planned ambush.
Note to self: never go knocking on an enemy base you've already infiltrated.
(Also, is 'our Lord and saviour Desna Christ' a particular reference I'm not getting?)
On the bright side, you're definitely getting the upper hand on the guys already in the room and they're not getting reinforcements right away.
The 'Desna Christ' thing is just a play off how most door to door Christian missionaries (I think that's the right use of the term) tend to introduce themselves.
The ambush would have still worked fine. They thought Eve was working with the Mistress if they'd brought the girl put it would have just made it easier
It's a reference to jehovahs witness
The girl and the necromancer guy... Though it appears we'll only get the necromancer now. On the plus side, the door is open and the party's no longer split, and if we dispatch those guys in the room, we'll have effectively wiped out the vast majority of their number!
I have no access to the map for around 8-9 hours. So we'll see what's going on exactly, then. Not that mouse knows.
Do I get a surprise round or did grappling the guy use it up?
You get a surprise round. The grapple was essentially part of the cutscene, for lack of a better term.
Wonderful werewolf transformation :) Very very detailed.
Thanks! If only my initiative roll could've been more impressive, lol
It seems that even when I roll for you, the random number god hands out 1s :P
Does Tiferet get a surprise round?
Also: can I charge through the square Eve's occupying? If not, if Tiferet asked her to make way during the surprise round, would she use her move action to step aside as she draws her sword? ;)
(...) hoping she can befuddle him long enough for Nathara to catch him...
Hm... it would be outstandingly important to know whether or not he did make his saving throw, but it is going to be tricky.
Nathara can reach bandit #4 (the one on the stairs) with a single one move action and attack, but she will catch an attack of opportunity, if she does. Her AC for that would be 19 - she does not have a shield spell up, but her spell dance active, which gives her +2 on AC versus attacks of opportunity triggered by her motion... that is an acceptable risk.
I could use acrobatics versus his CMD to avoid an attack of opportunity, but it seems more apt to rely on my AC. If I make a guess to the bandit's statistics I'd say he has a CMD of about 15 and an attack bonus of +4 or something like that. In that case the probability that he hits me with an attack of opportunity is lower than the likelihood that I will succeed with an acrobatics check.
Either way, I have one blow. I could try to trip him, but again, that I overcome his CMD with my CMB is less likely than I will overcome his AC with my attack bonus (unless he is wearing some kind of metal armor).
hmmm....
Well, the alternative for me would be a five foot step to the north-west and spell combat (try to cast "Shield" defensively and attack - the concentration check would be +10 vs. DC 17, 70% chance of success). Another alternative might be to take a five foot step and cast "Grease" - but there is no where I can take a five step where I won't reap an attack of opportunity.
Well, I think I'll go after him, risk the attack of opportunity and try a normal attack.
Yea you can move eve for your charge
Thanks!
I assumed your surprise round was using Alter Self to buff yourself up since you did that after I declared the surprise round. If that wasn't meant to be your surprise action, then you do have one action to use before you get to your full turn.
Also, the guy on the stairs isn't actually on the map this round. He ran upstairs calling for backup. I didn't take him off the map because he'll be back there when it gets around to his turn again.
Tiferet did it even before she approached the door. You're right I should have declared it beforehand but things started happening so quickly I hadn't foreseen combat starting when I went to bed :)
No problem. Time zones make exactly when things happen a little wonky. You've got a surprise round and a full round then.
I just notice, since Morgraine took a step away I might have flanked my opponent with Tiferet.
Well, he likely be dispatched before Tiferet's next turn anyway. I wanted to put Nathara in an exposed position to make her appear the most prominent target, because she has the best defence and also to put her into the position to make best use of her mobility, should the enemy decide to block the passage to the west side of the room. She might be flanked herself, but that's acceptable.
That's no problem. Technically, the only place you can go and five-foot step is either directly under Vosi (since he's ten feet in the air), directly next to Tiferet, or flanking with her. You can also hold your ground of course. You're missing no matter what (nat 1s and all), but your position is up to you. I don't mind if anyone needs to make adjustments to their actions a bit after a post if they realize something important they'd overlooked.
I'll stick with my original choice.
Heading to work. I won't have access to the map until 5+ hours from now. Sorry for making you all wait.
Ok in retrospect feel free to disregard the nonlethal thing now... That was uttered when there was just a single wounded bandit in the room.
Now that reinforcements came they seem a more pressing threat that a necromancer potentially casting animate dead on them...
And don't worry Inire, it was nice of you to put up a post before leaving for work, but don't feel like you have to rush things for our sake (personally speaking at least) :)
It was for my own sake, really. I've been letting a lot of things slide, and one of the things I don't like letting slide is pbp. In that specific case, I know for certain 3-5people are relying on me. So... I make real efforts to keep up. Omw home now, and I'll finagle the map when I have a desktop handy.
Is Ashen flanking the bandit between him and the half-orc?
He is now. The half-orc just moved there on her turn and she's decided she'd much rather be on your side instead of the side of the necromancer that just threatened to use her as a test subject for raising zombies.
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Hopefully a 15 will be enough to hit. Damn it. Damage roll was not particularly good either. I hoped I could give him a blow to set things straight right at the beginning.
The idea was nice and you surely get points for style!
Don't worry, with the half-orc girl having turned on them and Morgraine taking down two in one swift, masterful blow, I believe we've done it. Good job everyone!
If I move to the spot just above Nathara (currently occupied by a sleeping bandit) how many AOOs will I get hit with?
Okay, catching up on a few things.
Nathara: The spot you moved too isn't reachable. It's about half way up the stairs to the second floor. There isn't really a spot where you can hit Rohkar this round. He's still at the foot of the stairs and surrounded by his skeletons. The closest you can get is attacking the skeleton one square north of him.
Eirikr: Since Nathara needs to tweak her move, the square above her is the hearth that's heating the room. I would advise not standing in that. You might want to wait for her to reply before planning something.
I knew I should've prepared Energy Immunity (Hearthfires) this morning
I think protection from cold will do a lot more good than protection from fire in this campaign :P
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That's exactly what the witches would be expecting! Once we get to Irrisen, mark my words it'll be fireballs and fire storms everywhere!