The Avalon Chronicles

Game Master lynora

Well I find it... Stupid that a pool of ooze can tell me what I ate three hours ago through two walls simply because he can "hear" it

If you have issues, take them up in a constructive fashion rather than simply saying "this is stupid".

PM icehawk about it, and discuss is as friends, that you feel that he's perhaps abusing the ability a bit too much. That is how adults deal with problems, instead of shouting "nyah-nyah" at each other in a public setting.

If you have issues, take them up in a constructive fashion rather than simply saying "this is stupid".

PM icehawk about it, and discuss is as friends, that you feel that he's perhaps abusing the ability a bit too much. That is how adults deal with problems, instead of shouting "nyah-nyah" at each other in a public setting.

So much this I have no more words for it.

Well I find it... Stupid that a pool of ooze can tell me what I ate three hours ago through two walls simply because he can "hear" it

its only got a ninety foot range, and he can't see at all past that

Well I find it... Stupid that a pool of ooze can tell me what I ate three hours ago through two walls simply because he can "hear" it

Oh no. He's vulnerable to sentient oozes.

Girls girls your both pretty. Can we stop with the back and forth? I'm about to sound like an old person in a minute but, que sera sera

When the Avalon campaign was started it was a place where we just had fun not a place to try and one up each other. I might not be around as much as was in the beginning, but damn. I've seen it since the beginning of the new school year. What the hell happened?!

People started using these things called 'stats' more because cinematic fights actually require more cooperation to be fun.

Yeah, cuz it was a tie.

I think this all spawned of a simple misunderstanding. Blindsight and blindsense are two different things.
Roel has one and Renkai thought it was the other.
I don't think this was ever explained fully.

Also...becasue it had the potential to become a problem in the future...
I asked over at the DSP website how a Dread's Aura of Fear worked, did it remove all immunity to fear, imcluding those immune to mind effecting things, or just specificly immunity to fear, like a paladin.
Jeremy Smith (the author) said only things specificly immune to fear, so Roel (and dragons, etc.) is golden on that front.

dragons are immune to mind-affecting?

Renkai Urmas wrote:

Well I find it... Stupid that a pool of ooze can tell me what I ate three hours ago through two walls simply because he can "hear" it

Oh no. He's vulnerable to sentient oozes.

There's a total of two of them in this game, and one is an unplayed NPC. Get over it, please.

I'm vulnerable to things that don't need to see, hear, taste, touch or smell me to know I'm there.....

Or even use the perception skill

dragons are immune to mind-affecting?

I thought they were...

Kryzbyn wrote:

Renkai Urmas wrote:

Well I find it... Stupid that a pool of ooze can tell me what I ate three hours ago through two walls simply because he can "hear" it

Oh no. He's vulnerable to sentient oozes.

There's a total of two of them in this game, and one is an unplayed NPC. Get over it, please.

I'm vulnerable to things that don't need to see, hear, taste, touch or smell me to know I'm there.....

Or even use the perception skill

Vulnerable was hyperbole on my part.

dragons are immune to mind-affecting?

Not according to the SRD... they're immune to paralysis, sleep, and their element, but I don't see any that say otherwise.

MisterLurch wrote:

dragons are immune to mind-affecting?

I thought they were...

I could be wrong. If so, replace 'dragon' with another creature immune to mind effecting.

mindless things like plants and vermin; most constructs; most undead;... Karish... ;) =)

As far as my immunity goes from the lace, it is against mind affecting. More over against attacks and intrusions of the mind. It is a solid block against forcive mind reading and attacks. To passive mind reading from people he subconsciously trusts like Dave the occasional thought slips through. If people purposefully pry it is immediately blocked and you only get that far if he trusts you.
It accepts telepathic messaging.
Because I do not like the way the rule works, he is still as vulnerable to intimidate and diplomacy as anyone else here. I am doing this because, just because it protects from attacks on the mind it can't protect him from being coerced into something or scared by something freaking scary.
Going to paste this into my profile now. :)
Put it here on the topic of fear immunity.

As far as my immunity goes from the lace, it is against mind affecting. More over against attacks and intrusions of the mind. It is a solid block against forcive mind reading and attacks. To passive mind reading from people he subconsciously trusts like Dave the occasional thought slips through. If people purposefully pry it is immediately blocked and you only get that far if he trusts you.

It accepts telepathic messaging.
Because I do not like the way the rule works, he is still as vulnerable to intimidate and diplomacy as anyone else here. I am doing this because, just because it protects from attacks on the mind it can't protect him from being coerced into something or scared by something freaking scary.
Going to paste this into my profile now. :)
Put it here on the topic of fear immunity.

This.

This is what cooperation looks like :)

<3 you Tybs.

Kryz, did Ghalen read Tyrrin's book as well? I'd like to know before I post her reaction. :)

Renkai Urmas wrote:

Kryzbyn wrote:

Renkai Urmas wrote:

Well I find it... Stupid that a pool of ooze can tell me what I ate three hours ago through two walls simply because he can "hear" it

Oh no. He's vulnerable to sentient oozes.

There's a total of two of them in this game, and one is an unplayed NPC. Get over it, please.

I'm vulnerable to things that don't need to see, hear, taste, touch or smell me to know I'm there.....

Or even use the perception skill

Vulnerable was hyperbole on my part.

Your stealth won't work on them, that's all.

My stealth and precision based attacks won't work, so I'll use a sonic breath weapon and alkali salts to cheat my way along

I don't feel that it is that big a deal that his stealth can be bypassed by a few things.
Stealth is a pretty small part of the character as far as I can tell. He can still, pretty much, ®@¶€ most people in a combat situation. If stealth was supposed to be a real major thing he would have been a rogue.
My two CP. :)

Tybalt Baneko wrote:

As far as my immunity goes from the lace, it is against mind affecting. More over against attacks and intrusions of the mind. It is a solid block against forcive mind reading and attacks. To passive mind reading from people he subconsciously trusts like Dave the occasional thought slips through. If people purposefully pry it is immediately blocked and you only get that far if he trusts you.

It accepts telepathic messaging.
Because I do not like the way the rule works, he is still as vulnerable to intimidate and diplomacy as anyone else here. I am doing this because, just because it protects from attacks on the mind it can't protect him from being coerced into something or scared by something freaking scary.
Going to paste this into my profile now. :)
Put it here on the topic of fear immunity.

This.

This is what cooperation looks like :)

<3 you Tybs.

<3u2

I don't feel that it is that big a deal that his stealth can be bypassed by a few things.

Stealth is a pretty small part of the character as far as I can tell. He can still, pretty much, ®@¶€ most people in a combat situation. If stealth was supposed to be a real major thing he would have been a rogue.
My two CP. :)

um he is a rouge...

Okay, I'm officially throwing my hands up in confusion.... I AM a rogue

If you want my RAW interpretation of Blindsight: Nothing in the blindsight description says that Stealth no longer works against creatures with Blindsight. Stealth incorporates everything involved with masking your presence. This includes moving silently, not giving off a scent, etc etc.

It does negate concealment, sure. But the section on concealment says that "Without concealment, you usually need cover to make a Stealth check."

Which means that you can still hide behind things and be able to make a stealth check, which would be opposed by the creature with Blindsight's Perception.

HOWEVER!

NONE of this should matter: /talk/ to each other. Don't make assumptions. Be a scientist: assume nothing until proven. :)

Heck I don't even need concealment to hide! I have HIPS

(hide in plain sight)

There is even a feat that mitigates the usefulness of blindsight/sense it's called "conceel presence"

Oops. Why did I think he wasn't? I need a nap.
Stealth for most people is useless here. There are just too many people with mega-perception to use it against a PC. Mine would be useless if I couldn't use warlock-invis. Even without stealth he is a mega weapon master. :)

Anyway, I'm sick of this argument: I'm gonna go play the game.

Lyn: I know you're online cause I've seen you favourite posts. I suggest you ignore the argument and focus on having fun. :)

Well, this was an interesting discussion to show up to.

Renkai, compromise is an essential part of play and one your character has benefitted wildly from. It's not unreasonable to think that for instance he might have a few weapons not in an extra dimensional space after the incident with Adon. (And no, Salis's bag is not a good indication of how Adon's ability interacts since that was a one time thing during a literal explosion of anti magic. Done for comedic effect.) And the whole blindsight vs blind sense thing has already been explained to death. Let's just move on here.

I'm actually having trouble adjudicating this one because of stuff I know and can't say here.

Blindsight critters are usually the go-to nerf-bat for stealth-based critters. There's one 3.5 feat I recall that lets you be stealthed against them (as well as Blindsense, Tremorsense, and Scent, as well), but otherwise I don't believe there's a way to evade the sense outside of finding some way to block their blindsight as FCD mentioned.

Course, it's a simple fact of the game, you can't beat everything with one trick. Enchanters can't beat mind-affecting-immune stuff. Fighters (without magic gear) can't beat incorporeal stuff. Rogues can't beat Blindsense, most of the time. It's the nature of the beast. It's not the end of the world to find one character in the entire cast that your schtick doesn't work on.

If this was true, then why does "dampen presence" exitst. It's a feat allowing you to hide from blind sense and sight.

blarg

I would say the purpose of that feat is to allow you to still use concealment, instead of cover, for your stealth checks.

Pointless for Renkai though, as he has Hide in Plain Sight, and does not need concealment to hide.

And ninja'd by the boss lady.

Its like Pokémon. Or Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock. Everything and everyone has weaknesses and resistances. :)

Edit:
Ok then. He always loses vs your stealth. So Retcon his noticing you.

Well, this was an interesting discussion to show up to.

Renkai, compromise is an essential part of play and one your character has benefitted wildly from. It's not unreasonable to think that for instance he might have a few weapons not in an extra dimensional space after the incident with Adon. (And no, Salis's bag is not a good indication of how Adon's ability interacts since that was a one time thing during a literal explosion of anti magic. Done for comedic effect.) And the whole blindsight vs blind sense thing has already been explained to death. Let's just move on here.
±Stealth vs ±Perception and no more argument.

Ok, I agree he would have a couple of weapons not in extra pocket since encountering Adon....

lynora wrote:

Well, this was an interesting discussion to show up to.

Renkai, compromise is an essential part of play and one your character has benefitted wildly from. It's not unreasonable to think that for instance he might have a few weapons not in an extra dimensional space after the incident with Adon. (And no, Salis's bag is not a good indication of how Adon's ability interacts since that was a one time thing during a literal explosion of anti magic. Done for comedic effect.) And the whole blindsight vs blind sense thing has already been explained to death. Let's just move on here.
±Stealth vs ±Perception and no more argument.

Ok, I agree he would have a couple of weapons not in extra pocket since encountering Adon....

But as Roel himself said, he doesn't Pay attention to people, he wouldn't be able to perfectly describe me

OMFG, LET IT GO!

I am way past running out of patience with this.

does anyone know what skill applies to estimating the width of a river? Is it knowledge geography or nature?

I'd say there is transparency and both could tell you different things to get the same info.

The river Styx is incredibly wide. Insanely so.
Swimming it would be suicide as desperate souls pull you under.

does anyone know what skill applies to estimating the width of a river? Is it knowledge geography or nature?

I think either would be applicable, though I would lean towards geography as likely giving the result at a lower DC.

does anyone know what skill applies to estimating the width of a river? Is it knowledge geography or nature?

Agree with Tybalt:

As an addendum, Survival or Swim will tell you how "safe" the river would be to cross, current and depth-wise.

longstrider + jump + running start

does anyone know what skill applies to estimating the width of a river? Is it knowledge geography or nature?

I would say that it would probably be perception.

Ah... so many different possibilities! But Icehawk has answered: you probably aren't getting across the river, without the ability to fly. :)

..... druid. Beast shape. Bird. Fly. *profit*
:)

would shape stone work to make a pathway?

500 ft or so wide.

You can try in charecter for that one, reed,