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Argument? I thought we were having a discussion, not an argument. ;P
Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse. You want room 12-A, next door. Stupid git.
Also, are you using magic to hide them, tesadrian? Nothing can hide them from me, short of being on another plane.
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Argument? I thought we were having a discussion, not an argument. ;POh! I'm sorry, this is abuse. You want room 12-A, next door. Stupid git.
"no it isn't"
Immovable Wall vs Unstoppable Force
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"no it isn't"Argument? I thought we were having a discussion, not an argument. ;POh! I'm sorry, this is abuse. You want room 12-A, next door. Stupid git.
I can't argue with you anymore, you only paid for five minutes.
What, Jen?
I'm in the same time zone as him. Usually I'm next door to him. Right now I'm a couple states upwards on a mission trip. Still the same time zone.
Yes. But what does that have to do with anything.
You see everything. Renkai can't be seen.
Well, it seems like an argument of "I can find them anywhere, unless they are on another plane" and "Epic magic super stealth scarf"
Also, are you using magic to hide them, tesadrian? Nothing can hide them from me, short of being on another plane.
What about a silence spell? :D
Oh, his scarf makes it so there is a "black" spot where ethos is.
Pretty much. Two people are saying they have unbeatable things that are directly opposed... and now they're being put to the test against each other, and neither should be able to fail at its requisite task.
Also, are you using magic to hide them, tesadrian? Nothing can hide them from me, short of being on another plane.What about a silence spell? :D
That too, sorry. But in doing so, i couldn't see anything in the room, thus, it isn't want happened.
Immovable Wall vs Unstoppable Force
This is against me finding tesadrian's swords.
The scarf has been destroyed thanks to Anahita. (Geez, she's a troublemaker ain't she?) It has since been replaced, but the new item can have severe consequences if Ehos is not careful. I think we ruled that it doesn't really help Ehos stealth (At least, unless he turns invisible) - he can still be seen visually just fine. I was more thinking two oddities interacting. I agree with Icehawk that Ehos would register as a 'blank' zone to Roel.
Melody: I /love/ minutephysics. Great guy, awesome videos.
@ Renkai. I had Melody leave the room so you could talk to her without revealing yourself. or are you the kind of boyfriend that is just a stalker now?
"She? That is the pronoun for a humanoid of the female gender, correct? I am not entirely sure that the student was female, though I must admit, I don't have much experience in the subject. The student was wearing concealing robes, and I believe that it is not in humanoid customs to feel for the presence of secondary sexual characteristics." He feels quite proud for knowing that.
"However, the student does have a darker complexion that most and rather long black hair."
Then why does the non-truesight pic in your profile have long black hair? -.-
This makes invisibility and concealment (even magical darkness) irrelevant to the creature.Concealment , even total concealment- like being behind something one cannot see through, but counts as no object for the purpose of attacks and does not give cover. Unless your clothing gives cover, i see through it.
First of all wearing armor so your argument is null and void
And 2nd Actually :) they are stored in their own personal demiplane..... So..... Undetectable
Then why does the non-truesight pic in your profile have long black hair? -.-"She? That is the pronoun for a humanoid of the female gender, correct? I am not entirely sure that the student was female, though I must admit, I don't have much experience in the subject. The student was wearing concealing robes, and I believe that it is not in humanoid customs to feel for the presence of secondary sexual characteristics." He feels quite proud for knowing that.
"However, the student does have a darker complexion that most and rather long black hair."
Couldn't find that pic with white hair
@ Renkai. I had Melody leave the room so you could talk to her without revealing yourself. or are you the kind of boyfriend that is just a stalker now?
I'll talk in a bit.... In college atm...
Then adon would have disrupted it when you met and lied to him.
Then adon would have disrupted it when you met and lied to him.
Disrupt only while in contact =p
Remember him taking the spiked chain from you?
And these this is the problem with a Lying charecter... Ugg... Stuff like this happens.
Remember him taking the spiked chain from you?
And my demi plane was inaccessible only when you were in contact with me
Not according to sails. His bag of holding, when disabled by adon, dumped everything out instantly.
Couldn't find that pic with white hairThen why does the non-truesight pic in your profile have long black hair? -.-"She? That is the pronoun for a humanoid of the female gender, correct? I am not entirely sure that the student was female, though I must admit, I don't have much experience in the subject. The student was wearing concealing robes, and I believe that it is not in humanoid customs to feel for the presence of secondary sexual characteristics." He feels quite proud for knowing that.
"However, the student does have a darker complexion that most and rather long black hair."
I understand the want to use pictures instead of text descriptions... But they really really ought to get important details like hair colour right. Otherwise we end up with a situation like this. Not everyone can remember all of what people look like, especially not the two newer folks in Orthos and Jen: we have to work with what you gave us. Perhaps Treisdan's hair shifted colour because he lost his pacts, or something?
When he lost half his soul he lost the ability to illusion himself constantly
At the very least it wouldn't hurt to have a short text description next to the picture link of "like this except X Y and Z changes" >_>
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Renkai, Icehawk. FFS, take your argument to PM.
I am getting tired of reading "I shot you. No, I shot you. No, I dodged." arguments that drag on and on and on in the discussion thread. I mean, didn't we all get enough of this crap when we were kids?
While this is directed at Renkai and Icehawk at this particular moment, everyone, please, in the name of all that does not suck, take these kinds of arguments to PM when they form.
This has been said many, many times by Lynora, DB3, Fireclaw, and now me. And probably a few I have not mentioned.
Not according to sails. His bag of holding, when disabled by adon, dumped everything out instantly.
He also comes from a different deminsion
I don't think it's an argument, Mr.Lurch. They're just trying to hash things out so we can play our game and get things right.
also it kind of needs to be here because PMs can't go three ways. :)
I do understand not wanting to get Lyn upset, but this still needs to be decided and this is the easiest way. :)
What me and icehawk did was sorting out stuff: we both gave concessions to reach a suitable answer.
But Renkai and icehawk both refuse to budge. At that point, it should go to PM. Honestly they should've discussed this before, when Roel was in the room with Renkai. That way they could have avoided assumptions.
If you want you can move it to our discussion page. It gets it somewhere else, ne?
Alright. Read some things, it checks out. Have to retcon so much it's not even funny.
Btw- only the sword thing was wrong. I can still see him perfectly.
What me and icehawk did was sorting out stuff: we both gave concessions to reach a suitable answer.
But Renkai and icehawk both refuse to budge. At that point, it should go to PM. Honestly they should've discussed this before, when Roel was in the room with Renkai. That way they could have avoided assumptions.
he assumed stuff, and is using his ability in a way it shouldn't work which makes it difficult to respond to... I laid on the thing so he couldn't see me and avoid the problem entirely...
Actually, i just give a more detailed discription then "that sword guy".
Problem solved, moving on.
Actually, i just give a more detailed discription then "that sword guy".
Problem solved, moving on.
Which would be, the guy in a mask...wrapped in an armored cloak
Not really. I can disrobe you hair, hight, build, everything except color.
I'm trying to avoid massive recons here.
Not really. I can disrobe you hair, hight, build, everything except color.
I'm trying to avoid massive recons here.
you should've tried... figuring stuff out before
My hood is up btw
Here is the rules
Some creatures possess blindsight, the extraordinary ability to use a non-visual sense (or a combination senses) to operate effectively without vision. Such senses may include sensitivity to vibrations, acute scent, keen hearing, or echolocation. This makes invisibility and concealment (even magical darkness) irrelevant to the creature (though it still can't see ethereal creatures). This ability operates out to a range specified in the creature description.
Blindsight never allows a creature to distinguish color or visual contrast. A creature cannot read with blindsight.
Blindsight does not subject a creature to gaze attacks (even though darkvision does).
Blinding attacks do not penalize creatures that use blindsight.
Deafening attacks thwart blindsight if it relies on hearing.
Blindsight works underwater but not in a vacuum.
Blindsight negates displacement and blur effects.
Argument is over. Anything else is handwaved. Problem soved. Now can we please stop?
Blindsense (Ex) Using nonvisual senses, such as acute smell or hearing, a creature with blindsense notices things it cannot see. The creature usually does not need to make Perception checks to pinpoint the location of a creature within range of its blindsense ability, provided that it has line of effect to that creature. Any opponent the creature cannot see still has total concealment against the creature with blindsense, and the creature still has the normal miss chance when attacking foes that have concealment. Visibility still affects the movement of a creature with blindsense. A creature with blindsense is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.
Blindsense (Ex) Using nonvisual senses, such as acute smell or hearing, a creature with blindsense notices things it cannot see. The creature usually does not need to make Perception checks to pinpoint the location of a creature within range of its blindsense ability, provided that it has line of effect to that creature. Any opponent the creature cannot see still has total concealment against the creature with blindsense, and the creature still has the normal miss chance when attacking foes that have concealment. Visibility still affects the movement of a creature with blindsense. A creature with blindsense is still denied its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class against attacks from creatures it cannot see.
Blindsight
Is diffrent. You are using the wrong rule.Can we please, please move on?
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Girls girls your both pretty. Can we stop with the back and forth? I'm about to sound like an old person in a minute but, que sera sera
When the Avalon campaign was started it was a place where we just had fun not a place to try and one up each other. I might not be around as much as was in the beginning, but damn. I've seen it since the beginning of the new school year. What the hell happened?!
I'm trying to end this conversation now.
Just handwave. Problems all soved.
I'm going to take a break. Be back in an hour or so.
Girls girls your both pretty. Can we stop with the back and forth? I'm about to sound like an old person in a minute but, que sera sera
When the Avalon campaign was started it was a place where we just had fun not a place to try and one up each other. I might not be around as much as was in the beginning, but damn. I've seen it since the beginning of the new school year. What the hell happened?!
100% this. This is a place for fun. People get far too competitive, and that is the main problem. There is no "winning" in this game. Hell, there's not even loot or XP. Just Story.
If we wanna talk about who has made the most boss character, I'll get Pun-Pun in here. Otherwise: stats and abilities are just a way to express the story in unambigious terms. That is why this is a rules light game: so that the stats and rules do NOT get in the way of telling a good story.
Failure is part of life, so too should it be part of the game. Honestly, I have more fun when my characters struggle: look at Ehos. He screwed up big time, and so many different little stories spawned from that. Same thing with Vare.
Further: the other players in this game are your co-authors in this story. They ought to be your friends, but if you can't be friendly, at the very least be civil, and if you have a disagreement, either settle it in a private forum, or ask someone to mediate. DB3, Lyn, Myself, Dalesman, Kryzbyn, and Misterlurch are all people who know the setting well.