I wasn't sure. My pure RAW feelings would be that if you make a normal action then you add your attribute modifier. And if you attack with your off hand as a bonus then you forgo the bonus damage on the second attack. The reason here being game balance.
On the other hand my non RAW feeling would say that the reason for not including the attribute damage is because I'm not trained/used with the off hand, hence the drop in damage.
Rather than thinking of it as specifically from an off-hand, I think of the bonus attack from TWF as being kind of 'subsidiary' to the attack action in terms of focus.
So the reason it does less damage is that it's more an opportunistic slash made during your 'main attack', rather than an attack with the same level of concentration as you give to your primary attack.
As a consequence, I figure when you can put all your thought into just the throw, you have more time/focus on that attack and the stat bonus is justified on that basis.
Rather than thinking of it as specifically from an off-hand, I think of the bonus attack from TWF as being kind of 'subsidiary' to the attack action in terms of focus.
So the reason it does less damage is that it's more an opportunistic slash made during your 'main attack', rather than an attack with the same level of concentration as you give to your primary attack.
As a consequence, I figure when you can put all your thought into just the throw, you have more time/focus on that attack and the stat bonus is justified on that basis.
I'll buy that :)
A 'short rest' is 1 hour. The boss is currently not coming out, but that seems like a long time sitting around 'resting'. And that's if we can truly rest while within bow-shot of someone we know wants to kill us and knows we're here.
Then again, if he'll let us, I'm fine with waiting. :)
I strongly advise not sitting here for an hour while the boss is in the next room. He will either catch us off guard or escape in that time.
Thats why I said "if" we rest.. I agree it's to long to wait.. I will take that first cure wounds though lol..
Coronei still has all his spells so I say we go for it. Rest shmest!
Looks like no short rest. Kraz has benefitted from the first cure wounds - who is taking the second?
Also a couple of bookkeeping things - I realised I wasn't making CON saves when those concentrating on spells took damage. (DC10 or half the damage you took, whichever is greater or you lose the spell). I forgot that Pik's faerie fire and Dorin's hunter's mark ran the risk of dissipating. My preference (unless it matters for some reason during the monster turn) is for the PCs to do it when their turn comes up, but I'm happy to do whichever the spellcasters prefer. Would you rather I make those rolls when you take damage? Or to leave it for you?
Sorting the villagers out, interrogating the prisoners and so forth would only have taken ten-fifteen minutes, so Dorin you're hunter's mark still has plenty of time to run.
Yeah, that's why I rolled a Con save when Pik got hit. I probably should have made that clearer.
Ah gotcha. You were on top of it, even if I wasn't. :p
Cheers.
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Its too much bookkeeping for you, and I think it should be our responsibility. Then I'll try to remember and in fact we can all remind each other about concentrating on our spells and it sounds like Pik will be on the case. Otherwise as we level up this could be a nightmare trying to remember which people have what running.
Cheers
FW
BTW, I think nobody claimed Rath's second cure spell. It looks to me that Silvio is the most likely recipient. Be good to clarify though. Maybe you want to keep Kraz "topped up"?
Silvio took his healing from the healing potion because I found it more dramatic to pull out the arrow and chug a healing potion than being healed by a spell :) My options would be to top off Kraz or to mend Rath's wounds.
Just a note on posting frequency. I have a bunch of clients with "this must be done by Christmas" issues and, of course, they generally bring them in the week before christmas....Sorry I've been a little slow.
Going forward, we're also away for a week and a half in Fiji (yay!) from Boxing day until about the 4th of January.
That shouldn't impact on my posting times, however we did once visit a resort where I couldn't get my internet to work except through my phone (which was hideously expensive). Long story short - I'm hoping the Christmas/New Year break won't impact on my presence here at all, but there is a chance things will be a little disjointed over that time. Apologies if that's the case. (I may feel a little guilty lying around the pool neglecting my PBP duties as I decide between scuba diving or another massage, but not that guilty...) :p
Hi all.
Really sorry for the unexpected (and protracted!) delay. Trust me, after spending close to forty eight hours in transit I REALLY wish that hadn't happened. :/ (Cancelled flights, overbooked replacement flights and missed connecting flights all add up to a crappy way to finish a holiday).
I realise PBPs live or die on momentum, so hopefully the last fortnight hasn't killed this off. I've just updated the gameplay thread (I would have handwaved the last bit of battle had I known I would be out of action for so long, but there you go...)
Would you each mind posting here, just to confirm that everyone is still on board? Alternatively, if you've moved on to other games in the interim or whatever, please let me know that too (either here or by PM, whichever suits) rather than drifting away.
Apologies again - you'll be happy to know I have no further holidays booked until May. :)
On board!
On board!
Thanks, Dorin. Glad to still have you. :)
Still here!
Silvio is still here!
Hi Pik and Silvio.
Thanks very much. Glad to still have you both too. :)
Still existing in my masters imagination
Still here!!
Thanks Rath and Kraz. Glad you're still around.
It is good to be back.
Hey, Coronei. Good to see you.
You have a relatively safe night coming up in Elbar's Bluff. Let me know if there's anything you want to do or people to speak to during the celebrations.
Overnight, you will go up to 4th level, so unless anyone is planning on getting into a fight you can go ahead and level now.
I'll deal with levelling up this weekend.
No problem. Be at least that long before we know what you'll be doing next, I suspect.
Cool, I'll update Silvio later this evening or tomorrow.
hp +5 (+4 from Con)
Ability Score Improvement: +2 Charisma
Added Cantrip Known: Prestidigitation
Added Spells Known: Silence
Spell Slots: +1 2nd-level
HP (+3)
HP - +7
WIS - +2
Level 1, spell (Healing word).
I'll get the profile updated this weekend.
Hit points - will take the average (1d6=4)
Take the Observant feat instead of an ability improvement.
Spells
Crown of Madness
Phantasmal Force
Dorin leveled to 4...+1 to Str and +1 to Con.
One more level to Rogue.
HP: +6 (average +1 con)
+2 to dex.
Been on a hunting trip all weekend.. Will get him leveled by tm.. Sry bout that.
4th level barbarian
+1 str, +1 con
+7 hp from class, +4 con, +3 retro con bump..
Three of these guys might be a tough row to hoe, so let's not forget about retreating if things are to bad. Although I'm not sure we can outrun them lol..
How would you like to handle Cutting Words? Normally I need to declare as a reaction after an action but before the roll itself. I'd prefer not to delay the game like that. Would you prefer that I declare the possible use of the ability on my turn and the conditions? Or would it be possible to declare afterwards (despite knowing the results of the rolls.)
I'm good either way, or with any alternative you think up.
I played a bard in a PBP recently, and I used to finish my post with a set of conditions under which I'd use cutting words. That worked well enough (but if you wouldn't mind putting it right at the end of your post, I suspect that will make me notice it more).
I'm just about to adjudicate the party's actions and the giant leader will act next, so if you see this and have time - perhaps you'd like to declare for this round in the meantime?
Will edit right now!
Dorin marks the leader as his prey and moves in for an attack.
[dice=WH Att]1d20+7
[dice=WH Dam]1d8+4+2+1d6
I might be off but isn't Collossus Slayer +1d8 to damage, instead of 1d6?
Or rather, after further review: Aren't you missing a damage die?
Nope Collosus Slayer only applies after the enemy has been damaged, and he was not yet damaged when I attacked...next round, I will add 1d8, and maybe even hit the damn thing.The current 1d6 is for Hunter's Mark.
60+ feet still within the normal range of a thrown boulder? ;)
He's forty feet from you (you moved up to be thirty feet away from the melee and he moved up just behind them before throwing the rock.
Oh...I thought I was 60 feet (the range of the spells), but I think I see what happened. The melee folk met in the middle. Bah!
As a side note, this is why Cutting Words is a pain in pbp. I would have certainly used it to avoid being hit even with being 5 off, but I really can't predict all of the ways in which the enemies are going to act every round. (I'd actually probably use Cutting Words even if the enemy hit with a 21, since it'd be worth the effort even with a 1/6 chance of winning given it's me being hit.)
Yeah, I played a bard in a PBP and had similar issues. Some of my ooc options at the end of the post turned into quite substantial paragraphs - I'm happy to work on a way around that. I'm also happy to take you at your word if you think you would have used it "at the table" (it's pretty clear to all of you that these giants hit hard) - go ahead and roll retrospectively, if you like.
Going forward, perhaps you can put some complicated "if....then....unless the other....except when I'm the one being attacked...." sort of algorithm in your profile? Then you could just reference "Cutting words option 1 or option 2 if I'm attacked" or something like that.
Happy to hear other suggestions.
By the way (to everyone) I've been locked out of the messageboards for some reason, so it's taking me quite a lot of hoop-jumping to get here to check the thread (and will be several more to get to the gameplay thread, I suspect).
I've emailed Paizo, but bear with me if I go somewhat quiet for a day or so. (Gosh I'm getting sick of typing things like that!)
I've had my account get squirrely before as well.. I emailed Paizo, but they never got back to me. A couple days later it was working fine again so.. As far as posting goes I always copy my text before previewing and submitting. I've had to many posts get eatin and then have to retype the whole thing, so its just a habit for me now.
Looks like it's a site wide thing, so fingers crossed.
Yep...having issues too...
Yeah, I played a bard in a PBP and had similar issues. Some of my ooc options at the end of the post turned into quite substantial paragraphs - I'm happy to work on a way around that. I'm also happy to take you at your word if you think you would have used it "at the table" (it's pretty clear to all of you that these giants hit hard) - go ahead and roll retrospectively, if you like.
Going forward, perhaps you can put some complicated "if....then....unless the other....except when I'm the one being attacked...." sort of algorithm in your profile? Then you could just reference "Cutting words option 1 or option 2 if I'm attacked" or something like that.
Happy to hear other suggestions.
I'll work on one this evening and see how far I get. I'll try to keep it as simple as possible, but no promises! :)