Anyone watch Fear the Walking Dead last night. I know there is quite a few people that didn't like it because they are/were comparing apples (TWD) to oranges (FTWD). I think it was great setting the story episode in which you have a dysfunctional family that will most likely be forced into a functional family because of the ZPOC and Nick "Johnny Depp on Bad S***" will become a zombie hunter finding his place in Zombieland. And I think everyone is used to instant chaos but this is Zero Days of the ZPOC and not where we see Rick waking up and walking out of the hospital. In fact, Rick is still in a coma during the events of FTWD.
You guys always post right after I'm done with any freetime and when I'm busy for a while ;).
Oohh, forgot about FTWD, will have to watch it tonight. We always watch TWD, so this will be our fix until that airs this fall.
It's cool Xanya.
Ok, I will refrain from discussing it further. Just remember, it is not The Walking Dead, it is the beginning of the ZPOC and life is normal, dysfunctional family and all ... LOL
Yeah I had heard it was different. I am looking forward to the setting though, to hopefully shed some light on how it all went down.
I started college today. I have a short break now to say that, but I will have longer to post in a little while.
No worries we all have busy days. :)
congratulations on college. Ahh so long ago...
you kids get off my lawn!
So how old are everyone? Hope this isn't too personal to share... I'm 28.
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And responses maybe a little slow for the next (3) days. This week is training week for both Cisco and Juniper.
Xanya can craft both potions and mundane alchemical items. However she obviously need the raw materials. If we could get raw materials for crafting with the gold allotted that would probably be quite helpful. You never know when you might need antiplague, antitoxin, vermin repellant etc... Stocking up a few CLW potions among other things is probably a good idea as well.
Sorry guys my doggy had surgery on his foot and I was not at my computer yesterday. Catching up now.
Oh and he is in a splint and will make a full recovery. He cut his leg open pretty bad on something. He managed to escape the back yard and was on the front porch when my wife got home so who knows what cut him.
Xanya can craft both potions and mundane alchemical items. However she obviously need the raw materials. If we could get raw materials for crafting with the gold allotted that would probably be quite helpful. You never know when you might need antiplague, antitoxin, vermin repellant etc... Stocking up a few CLW potions among other things is probably a good idea as well.
You also get the impression you could take a few days in any event to get things together and organized.
@Goliath: You know Ice armor doesn't stack with the monk bonus right? Since you get an actual breastplate.
@CaveToad: I'm unsure what you mean? Xanya is eager to be off asap. Do we have to wait a couple days? Or only if we want potions? Or would we have to wait for any gear at all? How long would we have to wait for a saddle? That's probably the only gear I would be willing to wait any amount of time for (unless convinced by the others to wait I suppose).
Yeah I know, I can't flurry in it either. It just improve AC by 2 for an hour. Not sure if it will be useful or not.
Yeah I know, I can't flurry in it either. It just improve AC by 2 for an hour. Not sure if it will be useful or not.
It'll also decrease your speed. Mage armor(which nearly our entire party knows), is much better.
@CaveToad: I'm unsure what you mean? Xanya is eager to be off asap. Do we have to wait a couple days? Or only if we want potions? Or would we have to wait for any gear at all? How long would we have to wait for a saddle? That's probably the only gear I would be willing to wait any amount of time for (unless convinced by the others to wait I suppose).
You would only have to wait if you were waiting on potions or going to make something. If you just want basic studded leather armor and a saddle and other easy to come by supplies, he can get that rounded up for you by morning. Basically if they have to custom make anything or make potions or scrolls that will take time.
good point Xanya, lets change the ice armor and divine favor to 2 scrolls of mage armor. I can let one of you guys cast it on me.
@CaveToad: I'm unsure what you mean? Xanya is eager to be off asap. Do we have to wait a couple days? Or only if we want potions? Or would we have to wait for any gear at all? How long would we have to wait for a saddle? That's probably the only gear I would be willing to wait any amount of time for (unless convinced by the others to wait I suppose).
You would only have to wait if you were waiting on potions or going to make something. If you just want basic studded leather armor and a saddle and other easy to come by supplies, he can get that rounded up for you by morning. Basically if they have to custom make anything or make potions or scrolls that will take time.
Xanya can craft potions while travelling. Can we get raw materials for crafting? That's what I was trying to ask for. Basically "GP that can be turned into potions (or other alchemical items)". It'll both save us money and time
good point Xanya, lets change the ice armor and divine favor to 2 scrolls of mage armor. I can let one of you guys cast it on me.
No reason for scrolls, we have 20 casts of it per day or so... It would be great to be able to turn get raw materials for potions so I could craft potions of mage armor for you.
ah well lets go then, no need to wait, a few large javelins shouldn't be heard for them to craft. We can leave once everyone has stuff then, don't worry about the scrolls.
@Quassine, what is a Portable Alchemist Kit? Do you mean an Portable Alchemist Lab? Xanya already got an Alchemist Kit. Also, alchemist kits doesn't do anything for non-alchemists.
Also a masterwork backpack probably isn't the priority given that Goliath can carry 612 lbs at light load... Just let him carry things if it should be an issue. We could get 2 more potions for the same price... 500 GP total really isn't all that much.
How about we make a list here over the things we want here to not drag things out too much? Then we'll RP as appropriate of course...
Masterwork Thieve's Tools 100 GP
Portable Alchemist Lab 75 GP
Exotic Riding Saddle 60 GP
Small Studded Leather Armor 25 GP
Tiny Leather Armor 10 GP
3x tiny short swords 30 GP
medium Light Crossbow 35 GP (Quassine)
10 Bolts 1 GP
10x small Javelins 10 GP
10x Large Javelins 10 GP
Scroll of Magic Weapon 25 GP
Scroll of Obscuring Mist 25 GP
?Tiny Longbow (can Kiki dual wield longbows?) and arrows?
rest for crafting potions and alchemical items (acid, fire, tanglefoot bags(for simon), antitoxin etc...)
That's 406 before the longbow (which I'm not sure how useful will be, 1d4 damage doesn't seem worth it). That would leave 94 GP for crafting, or 3-4 potions due to half cost when crafted ourselves (or other items for the same cost)
I'm also forgetting rope/grappling hook.
Of course, Simon might want some items too...
The large javelins are 2gp each.
Hi. I'm here.
I'm really sorry I haven't been more active this week.
Starting college hasn't just take my posting time, but it's also a massive drain on my energy.
I'm posting now.
The kit I mention is a Pathfinder's kit. A staple for most of my characters.
Kit, Pathfinder's
Price 12 gp; Weight 22 lbs.
This kit consists of a backpack, a bedroll, a belt pouch, a clay mug, a dagger, two fishhooks, a flint and steel, a sewing needle, a signal whistle, 50 feet of string, 50 feet of thread, a waterskin, a week's worth of trail rations, and a whetstone. For Small creatures, the weight of a Pathfinder's kit is 7-1/2 pounds. Leaving the bedroll and rations at camp or on a mount reduces the weight by 12 pounds for Medium creatures and by 3 pounds for Small creatures.
I guess this is basically the survival gear he was talking about. Seems like a steep price for this stuff to me though.
I don't do math voluntarily, so I don't know what everything in there stacks up to, so don't hold me to this, but I think it should work out to equal or lesser cost than buying the components.
I find it kinda funny that they are using the tried and true "get one group of people you don't like to fight another group of people you don't like so you don't have to risk anything to deal with them". It's kinda how things are in RPGs though.
I am 24 :)
Crazy doesn't always go too well along with diplomatic :(. I hope it was a bit crazy what I did and not just stupid...
I haven't actually studied the UC rules for crafting, but how long would the following items take to craft and would they still be crafted at 1/3 price as per the normal rules?:
Acid Flask
Alchemist fire
Atitoxin
Antiplague
Tanglefoot Bag
Vermin Repelant
I'm not sure which of those are worth it for the amount we have now though, but I figure we probably want some if not all of these eventually. The splash weapons will help against swarms (which we currently have very little to combat, Xanya does 1d6+5 damage with an Acid flask), as will the repelant, antitoxin and plague are great if we know we are going up against enemies with posions and diseases respectively.
It might be better to make potions though. We can make 4, which I figure we should have time for all. Both mage armor and enlarge person seems amazing on Goliath (@CT: Would his reach increase from growing to huge?). Shield and CLW are other decent combat options.
I will check to see how the new UC crafting works with alchemy. They have slots for the stuff under the categories.
I don't think enlarge person spells out a reach increase, but I always assumed it did. I could be wrong in the application of it, but it makes sense to me, so that's how I will roll with it.
Acid (10gp) is DC 15 (2gp progress/day)
Alchemist Fire (20gp), Vermin repellent (5gp) are DC 20 (4gp progress/day)
Antitoxin (50gp), Antiplague (50gp), Tanglefoot bag (50gp) are DC 25 (8gp progress/day)
If you beat the DC by 5 your progress is doubled, beat it by 10, it is tripled, etc. Most items, except vermin repellent will take 5+ days to make one item with a regular roll, You might be able to make some rolls of 5 or 10 more than the DC, so you might get double or triple progress. Nothing overnight though.
Even if Quassine helps, nothing can be made overnight? What about on the road with a Portable Lab?
Benefit: You can create a potion of any 3rd-level or lower spell that you know and that targets one or more creatures or objects. Brewing a potion takes 2 hours if its base price is 250 gp or less, otherwise brewing a potion takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. When you create a potion, you set the caster level, which must be sufficient to cast the spell in question and no higher than your own level. To brew a potion, you must use up raw materials costing one half this base price.
Is that 2 hours per potion? Or can I craft multiple in that time? How many hours is left in the day? I assume it's probably less than the full 8 hours? 6?
@Quassine: You are better at crafting than me and you got more time... If you take 10 on the check you'll craft 4 GP of stuff in 8 hours. Edit: a single DC 10 aid another from one of the others will mean you make 8 GP of stuff, I forgot about the +2 from the lab.
My suggestion is that Xanya makes 3 potions while quassine starts working on Acid, he can then continue working on the Acid while we travel. UC crafting is actually 1/4 the price, so we can get 10 flasks for the price of one potion (though it'll take Quassine ~3 days to make a flask).
What potions to make? Mage Armor, Enlarge(do you want enlarge Goliath?) and clw? Do we need clw since everyone can cast it anyway?
its 2 hours per potion. Its probably 6 PM ish when they deliver the alchemical stuff, so you could get 2-3 potions done depending how late you want to stay up.
Would you allow two 4 hours aid anothers to replace a 8 hours aid another for crafting(for +2)?
Or is enough to contribute a bit of the time? What about guidance? Can we use it? Do we have to keep casting it? By raw one casting should be enough, but that seems a bit weird.
Would you allow two 4 hours aid anothers to replace a 8 hours aid another for crafting(for +2)?
I am not sure what you are asking here :)
Or is enough to contribute a bit of the time? What about guidance? Can we use it? Do we have to keep casting it? By raw one casting should be enough, but that seems a bit weird.
You can use guidance. The crafting rules are weird and abstract as it is, it probably makes sense to cast it over and over, but in reality you only need to cast it when the roll is made. Eh, no big deal.
Would you allow two 4 hours aid anothers to replace a 8 hours aid another for crafting(for +2)?I am not sure what you are asking here :)
Aid another usually requires the aiding character to do the same kind of work as the one being aided. In this case the check is 8 hours of work, so the aiding character would also have to do 8 hours of work. Quassine can work for 8 hours, but the rest of us can not. Would it be fine for two people to work for 4 hours instead? Or is it enough for people to simply contribute 4-5 hours for the full +2? Can they get +1 for half the time?
Re: Dealing with swarms... Quassine is nearly as good at dealing with swarms as Xanya, he also got +5 damage due to int, although for the moment he has a slightly lower chance to hit(+7 vs +6 vs touch, but it's pretty much the same). In a few levels he will be able to sneak with splash weapons and will be much better than Xanya at dealing with swarms (assuming he either uses vanish on himself or get someone else to cast that and/or invisibility on him). Our party will actually be fairly decent at dealing with swarms once we do craft a bit acid (of course CaveToad will just run us into a spider swarm right before we finish crafting some, then we'll never see swarms again :p).
Did Simon get any of his requested things? They didn't get added to the list in discussion.
" belt and dagger, gear pack, ink and stylus"gear kit = pathfinder's kit.
Yes they give you all of the requested items. Sorry, the post got buried on me.
Let me know if I missed anyone else's requests.
Aid another usually requires the aiding character to do the same kind of work as the one being aided. In this case the check is 8 hours of work, so the aiding character would also have to do 8 hours of work. Quassine can work for 8 hours, but the rest of us can not. Would it be fine for two people to work for 4 hours instead? Or is it enough for people to simply contribute 4-5 hours for the full +2? Can they get +1 for half the time?
We should stick with how they want it to work, otherwise the rolling gets weird. No half time. Crafting is already weird and abstract, but probably for the best.
So unless someone stays up half the night we can't help Quassine, correct?
Edit: A druid doesn't actually need to rest for 8 hours to regain spells. What would be the penalty if Kiki stayed up until midnight then woke up like 6 and prayed for an hour? She had quite a decent shot at making the check (she only needs a 3 to succeed on aid with guidance and autosucceeds if the lab bonus would benefit her as well, and they will both be using it, so why not?).
Quassine only needs 2 hours of sleep. Portable Lab is only a +1 bonus to crafting.