Hmmm. If I sell the Rope and the Stone, that is 1650+1375=3025gp we also have 1523 each from the loot split.
With 4548, I can buy a Headband of Wisdom +2, this would boost my AC, CMD, increase my spells, my Will saves and the DC for my Stunning Fist, if I ever use it. This leaves 500 toward the Bag of Holding, a healing wand, or a Wand of Mage Armor.
Any thoughts? I know it is a lot to spend in one place, but it is definitely an item that would benefit me.
I have no qualms about such action. :)
As Alexa has pointed out, with everything sold, each member's split of the coinage is 1,523 gp.
If you want to go ahead and sell the Stone and Rope, I have no issues with using it to get the Headband.
For myself - aside from selling the morningstar and the chain shirt, there's not much else from that. I can donate to the Bag of Holding (500-600 gp) and buy or another Cure Light Wounds wand (@750gp). Would leave me with around 230 gp.
I am happy to add some 500 to the pot to acquire such a bag.
Much cheers to all.
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Hmm... wasn't there also some sort of story reward involved at some point? I suppose Madeline is technically the only remaining PC who was part of the original agreement, but maybe it will be determined that the others who left have forfeited their shares of the reward and those who took up their duties will receive it.
Vaghn has very little to sell at this point, probably just his old leather armor, so that's 5gp.
If it's okay with everyone, he'll take the mithral dagger so he at least has a magic weapon. Then he can sell his old dagger, another 1gp!
That will bring his current wealth to 1,529gp. Shopping list includes:
mwk whip 301gp
mwk buckler 155gp to eventually be upgraded to mithral buckler 1005gp
mwk backpack 50gp to eventually be replaced with handy haversack 2000gp
And probably donate ~500 to the party fund for bag of holding, wand of cure light wounds, etc.
So... sound good?
OK - so if you three add 500 gp each, I will go ahead and drop in 1,000 and that should get us the bag of holding - assuming book value.
I will put in half on a Wand of Cure Light Wounds (375), which will leave me with 148gp.
@Vaghn: Sounds good on the dagger.
We will have to talk with Weehawk, but if he is getting the Keen Sword (4000gp) and armor, then hopefully he will kick back some of his starting funds to the rest of us.
The goal is that we should all be fairly equal, I will skip the headband if it is going to throw things way out of balance.
Works for me - the Gee Em has not advised me of how much my starting funds might be, but I'm game - even go in debt on future treasures if need be...
We will have to talk with Weehawk, but if he is getting the Keen Sword (4000gp) and armor...
I didn't see mention of any armor in previous posts, but that would be the only other upgrade on my wish list starting out.
Hello Weehawk -
Yea - we have several suits of Masterwork Chainmail and Studded Leather. I was told you had Scale Mail, so the Chain would be a step up in AC and have the Armor penalty as the Scale (because it is masterwork).
Also - besides the Keen Longsword, we also have a bundle of several magic arrows that I thought might be useful if you have bow in your inventory:((12) Silver Tipped Arrows; (9) Arrows +1; (5) Ghost Touch Arrows +1; (2) Undead Bane Arrows +1)
Just advise on this.
What is the cost of the chain? and the arrows?
As an FYI - I will be on vacation for the next week. I should have internet access most days, but will be unlikely to post other than in the early morning and late evening. Occasional posting by phone is possible, but it will be minimal.
When do vacation benefits kick in for this adventuring party? ;)
When all the undead are actually dead.
Weehawk, did you get the template I sent you?
What is the cost of the chain? and the arrows?
Per RGM, we have been selling gear at 55% of book price to the townsfolk. Standard cost on Masterwork Chain Mail has been 300, which reduces down to 165 for the suit of Mail.
Arrows:
(12) Silver Tipped Arrows = 107gp/59gp
(9) Arrows +1 = 248gp
(5) Ghost Touch Arrows +1 = 495gp
(2) Undead Bane Arrows +1 = 110gp
We will have to talk with Weehawk, but if he is getting the Keen Sword (4000gp) and armor.I will skip the headband if it is going to throw things way out of balance.
@Alexa: It's your call on the Headband, but with Weehawk adding back on the items we have then we should have sufficient to distribute the cost on the Bag and Wand of CLW at minimum.
Time for another inventory update. I apologize if this too much info. this breakdown includes all "special" items people have received or bought so far. New items have been added in bold.
Madeline/Smith: (3) Sunrods; Hide from Undead Scroll; (2) Holy Water Vials; (2) Bottles of Oil; Tindertwig; (5) Torches; Potion of Lesser Restoration; (2) Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds; Potion of Cure Light Wounds; Masterwork Heavy Crossbow; (10) Bolts +1; Set of a noblewoman’s silver hair clips; Masterwork Studded Leather Armor; Masterwork Longsword; (60) Crossbow Bolts; Broken Masterwork Crossbow
Vaghn: (3) Sunrods; Hide from Undead Scroll; (2) Holy Water Vial; (2) Bottles of Oil; Tindertwig; (5) Torches; Potion of Lesser Restoration; Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds; Wand of Hold Person; Set of masterwork thieves’ tools; Masterwork Studded Leather Armor; Mithral Dagger +1; Masterwork Longsword; Masterwork Whip; Masterwork Buckler; Masterwork Backpack
Alexa: (3) Sunrods; (2) Bottles of Oil, Tindertwig, (5) Torches; Potion of Cure Light Wounds; (2) Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds; Potion of Lesser Restoration; Ring of Protection +1
Valen: (2) Sunrod; (2) Bottles of Oil, Tindertwig; (6) Torches; Potion of Lesser Restoration; Heavy Mace +1; Wand of Cure Light Wounds (7 Charges); (1) Healing Kit; (2) Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds; (2) Potion of Remove Disease; Wand of Lesser Restoration (Charges ??); Leather Satchel; Suit of Masterwork Chainmail; Masterwork Silver War Razor; Wand of Cure Light Wounds (50 Charges)
Weehawk: Keen Longsword +1; Suit of Masterwork Chainmail; (12) Silver Tipped Arrows; (9) Arrows +1; (5) Ghost Touch Arrows +1; (2) Undead Bane Arrows +1
*I forgot to factor in an additional 620gp we found in the prison. This would put an additional 155gp to the four of us, which means everyone's split would be 1,678 gp - so please recalculate accordingly.*
**With this new split, I have gone ahead bought a new Wand of CLW with my share. So, we can take that off the table.**
***I kept the Silver War Razor, but if anyone else wants to use/claim please advise***
****Items for group purchase: Bag of Holding. Depending on how much we factor in from Weehawk, we should have more to possibly purchase another group item.****
Hope this proves helpful in equipment tracking. Meantime - I got to work on the motivations and instinct to finish up my char update.
Ok, so assuming that Weehawk "buys" the sword, arrows and armor. The total value is about 9000. If our sell price would have been 55%, then we should increase out gold by 4950 and Weehawk ends up with some good front line equipment at just over cost.
Weehawk, if this works, let us know as it will boost the rest of us by 1237.5 each I think. Enough to afford the various wands and packs and headbands we have been discussing.
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Aah, my accountant senses are tingling! Perhaps we should set down the rules we wish to follow regarding the distribution of wealth before we continue? As is, things seem to be very haphazard, and I am confused as to if we're going on an as-needed basis, an equal buy-in basis, guidelines for "Party" funds, etc.
This works for me - so for clarification - I subtract 4950 from my starting gold to go toward the part or 9000?
Alexa - yes I got the template - thanks, I am busily banging rocks together with it and trying to make sparks...
Weekhawk
I'm with Asmodeus - clarify the process. Something along the lines of party members "buying" items they wish to have and everything else being sold and profits split? Larger cost items party members can buy against future profits?
-W
Equal splits is best, and definately being able to borrow against future cash is the best method. It has worked well in several campaigns I am in.
I admit to not being as discerning in financial matters as Masters Weehawk or AsmodeusUltima. *Waves hand*
Such maters are...tedious...*Sniffs*
(^_~)
Truly, am not fussed. Alexa's ideas seems merit-able.
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Tedious perhaps, but I feel if we set out a solid set of rules now then we won't have to bother later; it will become almost automatic.
Okay, so here is what I am seeing start to form here, let me know if this seems right to everyone:
During "Adventure Time" we just use a "whoever can use it best" method for loot. We don't really keep super careful track of expendables like potions, wand charges, etc, because that's considered part of how we survive.
When we get the chance for "Down Time", we pool all the loot gained during the last session, calculate how much everything would sell for, and determine a total "Loot Pool", which will be divided equally. Anyone who wants to keep a specific item can buy it for 50% cost using their share of the "Loot Pool"; in the case of a single item, or, more likely, a couple items being more expensive than a character's current "Loot Pool" share, they can still take the items but owe the rest of the party the difference to be paid out of the next "Down Time"'s "Loot Pool".
Optionally, it seems people are interested in establishing a "Party Pool" as well, essentially a share (we should decide the percentage, or just a full share) for buying things for the whole party, like healing wands, loot-carrying gear, etc.
Another option is setting aside a percentage toward a "Healing Fund" for things like Restorations, Raise Dead, etc.
How does this sound?
Works for me
Sounds good. I am still with limited time to post and think at this point. Maybe tonight.
Agreed, sounds good.
Apologies for not answering sooner - under the weather these past few days.
Sounds good to me, Asmo. Recap:
1)Whoever needs/works best on items
2)Sell the rest for "Loot Pool"; buy in to take something out of sale.
3)Party Pool - for Group Items
4)Possible "Healing Fund" in the future
I have been tracking all the sales and gold totals. I have also been tracking - for the most part potion, scroll, and wand usage as best I can. (I'll confess I don't know how many charges are on the either the Wand of Lesser Restoration or the Wand of Hold Person - neither item has been used really, so if RGM can update us that would be helpful.)
Just for the record I have sold all items that nobody claimed per the guidelines set down and split all gold four ways for now. This doesn't count Weehawk's share for gear nor any special purchases anyone else would have made. That means that the totals for each person to work off would be 1,678 gp.
Now - if we account for Weehawk's share to buy - which is going to be: 4,950. FYI - that means we didn't "sell" one suit of armor from the above amount (at a cost of 165). That means our initial split after sales is now: 1,637. Taking into account the money he put in (4950/4 = 1237), the new amount for each of us is now: 2,874 gp.
@Weehawk: So consider yourself 4,950 gp poorer from your fund. You have all the items listed in my previous list: sword, chain armor, and arrows.
@Everyone else: Here's what I have mapped out so far:
Valen: 2874 - 750(Wand of CLW) - 625 (Bag of Holding) = 1,499
Vaghn: 2874 - 301(mwk whip) - 155(mwk buckler) - 50(mwk backpack) - 625 (Bag of Holding) = 1883
Madeline: 2874 - 625 (Bag of Holding) = 2249
Alexa: 2874 - 625 (Bag of Holding) = 2249
*Don't know that anyone has declared any further what they would like to buy. On the Bag of Holding, I just included a 4-way split. I am willing to take on more of the costs, if someone needs extra cash to make a purchase on a special item for themselves. I see myself needing the bag the most to carry all this stuff, given my low strength.
I hope this helps out, but please let me know if I am confusing things more.
I can't see Madeline needing anything 'specific' at the parties current level/funding. There should be enough in these shares to help every one along in regards to 'kitting up' for the next part of the adventure.
As a note, does this include the reward mentioned at the beginning of the adventure path? I believe it awaits us at the next town?
Much cheers to all.
*Bows*
Madeline only really has to see about her order at the Black-smith's shop. Indeed, parting with Lady Kendra should be done properly.
Much cheers to all.
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Might not want to include the new items we'll be purchasing (whip, buckler, backpack, bag of holding) until we have determined we can actually buy them; they may not be for sale in a town as small as Ravengro.
Also, that is not quite the method I was proposing, though I'm certainly fine with it if that is what everyone would like to do (again, don't really care what method we use as long as it is consistent!). The method I was talking about also took into account the items we claim from the loot pile and would be something like this:
Bronze war medallion from the Shining Crusade = 40 gp
Unframed Taldan painting of Stavian I = 100gp
Axe (masterwork?) from headless skeleton = 170 gp
Masterwork punching dagger = 166 gp
(12) Masterwork shurikens (assuming these count as single units of ammunition) = 42 gp
(5) Suits of Masterwork Chainmail = 825 gp
(4) Suits of Masterwork Studded Leather Armor = 385 gp
(4) Masterwork Longswords = 693 gp
(4) Masterwork Heavy Maces* = 686 gp
PLUS
(11) Sunrods = 12 gp
(2) Hide from Undead Scrolls = 27.5 gp
(2) Holy Water Vials = 27.5 gp
(8) Bottles of Oil = negligable
(4) Tindertwigs = 2.2 gp
(21) Torches = negligable
(4) Potions of Lesser Restoration = 660 gp
(7) Potions of Cure Moderate Wounds = 1,155 gp
(2) Potions of Cure Light Wounds = 55 gp
Masterwork Heavy Crossbow = 195.5 gp
(10) Bolts +1 = 253.5 gp
Set of a noblewoman’s silver hair clips = 35 gp
(2) Masterwork Studded Leather Armor = 192.5 gp
(2) Masterwork Longswords = 346.5 gp
(60) Crossbow Bolts = 3.3 gp
Broken Masterwork Crossbow = 144.4 gp
Wand of Hold Person (10 charges) = 495 gp
Set of masterwork thieves’ tools = 55 gp
Mithral Dagger +1 = 1,376 gp
Ring of Protection +1 = 1,100 gp
Heavy Mace +1 = 1,272 gp
Wand of Cure Light Wounds (7 Charges) = 57.75 gp
Healing Kit = 27.5 gp
(2) Potions of Remove Disease = 412.5 gp
Wand of Lesser Restoration (Charges ??) = ?49.5 - 2,475 gp?
(2) Suits of Masterwork Chainmail = 330 gp
Masterwork Silver War Razor = 180.4 gp
Keen Longsword +1 = 4,573 gp
(12) Silver Tipped Arrows = 13.5 gp
(9) Arrows +1 = 228 gp
(5) Ghost Touch Arrows +1 = 457 gp
(2) Undead Bane Arrows +1 = 183 gp
Round for convenience sake and we get 18,270 total for the Loot Pool. Let's say, for the sake of this example, 15% each for party gear and healing shares, so that is 2,740.5 for each of those funds, and 3,197.25 for each character share.
The Healing share of 2,740.5 would purchase the wand of cure light wounds, potions of remove disease, wand of lesser restoration if it is cheap enough, and maybe a brand new wand of cure light wounds when we get the chance. The remainder would be held in a separate account for casting/buying emergency healing for the party, things like restoration, raise dead, etc.
The Party Gear share of 2,740.5 would purchase a Bag of Holding and perhaps an everburning torch or other gear that would benefit the whole party. Any remainder would be kept separate and applied to purchase party equipment the next time we split loot.
Weehawk, since he does not have a share of the loot, would buy in for the items he wants with his starting funds, so that would not affect the amount the rest of us receive.
The rest of us would purchase whatever items we wanted from the list, with any unpurchased items being sold and the money split equally, presumably with each person's items plus gold share totaling 3,197.25.
So, for example, Vaghn would purchase a scroll of hide from undead (13.75), a potion of lesser restoration (165), as well as one of cure moderate wounds (165), a suit of masterwork studded leather armor (96.25), the wand of hold person (495), the thieves tools (55), and the mithral dagger (1,376). Don't really care about the sunrods, torches, et all, so that can all go into the sell fund, and, as mentioned before, not going to bother with the longsword until I have a handy haversack. So Vaghn's total loot is 2,366 gp worth of stuff, and 831.25 gp in coins with which he'll purchase a masterwork whip, buckler, and backpack at the first opportunity.
That is roughly what I was proposing earlier. What do people think?
Sounds very detailed; well done.
Is this something we want to start now - as you have mapped out; or is this something we are proposing moving forward with future loot?
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@Weehawk: just a quick glance at your character sheet and it looks like you're short two feats and two traits. And as a suggestion for equipment, might want to add spikes to your shield if you are using it for bashing, and increase the strength bonus on your composite longbow so you can make use of your high score. Cheers!
Are we including all loot up until this point? I also have the Rope of Climbing and the Stone of Alarm. Not sure if other people have other loot as well besides what Vaghn listed.
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Ah, I had forgotten those. That would bring the totals up to (assuming everyone is agreed both that we use this system and that both the Healing and Party Gear funds be roughly 15%):
Rope of Climbing = 1,650 gp
Stone of Alarm = 1,485 gp
Total Loot = 21,405
Healing Fund = 3,200
Party Gear Fund = 3,200
Each character's share = 3,751.25
Sound good?
@Asmodeus - thanks for the advice, char updated - not sure how to add spikes to a shield though
So - using myself as an example - to make sure I understand the breakdown. My share is 3,751.25, but (based on existing equipment) I want to keep:
-Heavy Mace +1 = 1,272
-(30) Crossbow Bolts = 1.65 gp
-Wand of Cure Light Wounds (7 Charges) = 57.75 gp
-(1) Suits of Masterwork Chainmail = 165 gp
-Potion of 'Lesser Restoration' = 165 gp
-Wand of 'Lesser Restoration'(? charges) = 2,475 gp
-(2) Potion of 'Cure Moderate Wounds' = 330 gp
-(2) Potions of 'Remove Disease' = 412.5 gp
So: 3,751.25 - 4,731.90 (all items totaled above)= -962.65
If I am understanding this (based on the statement: 'each person's items plus gold share') I owe 962.65 in gold or future items to future distributions based on my share. It also means that all of my share is currently invested in items and I have no gold left as of right now.
If I am in error, please clarify.
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Essentially, though I personally would say the healing wands at least should be purchased by the Party Healing Fund, not by the individual characters. (RGM, if you have a number of charges for that wand of lesser restoration, that would be hugely beneficial). And something like the potions of remove disease could actually be sold, then we could buy scrolls of the same for less when needed. So if we go with that suggestion, it's more like this:
-Heavy Mace +1 = 1,272
-(30) Crossbow Bolts = 1.65 gp
-(1) Suits of Masterwork Chainmail = 165 gp
-Potion of 'Lesser Restoration' = 165 gp
-(2) Potion of 'Cure Moderate Wounds' = 330 gp
So: 3,751.25 - 1933.65 = 1,817.6 gp in coins for you.
And:
-Wand of Cure Light Wounds (7 Charges) = 57.75 gp
-Healing Kit = 27.5 gp
-Wand of Lesser Restoration (?) = ?
So: 3,200 - 85.25 = 3,114.75, which is still enough to buy the other wand even if it is at full charges. If it is not there should easily be enough to purchase a brand new wand of cure light wounds (750 gp), and, if needed at some point, scrolls of remove disease (375 gp a pop, still a profit over the sell price of the potions of 37.5).
In addition to borrowing forward, we can also loan to one of the funds. Say everyone agreed that, in addition to the bag of holding (2,500 gp), the party should really hold on to the Stone of Alarm (1,485). The Party Gear fund of 3,200 would be at 700 after the purchase of the bag, so we (including Weehawk as this is a future benefit and thus he is part of it) would loan 157 gp a piece to the fund in order to afford the stone as well. Next time we split loot, that amount would be refunded to each of us from the Party Gear fund. Nice and fluid and works out evenly in the end.
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@Weehawk: Looks good except for one thing: unless RGM has relaxed the stricture, which he may very well have done since your character does not seem to have a direct link to the Professor, one of your traits must be a Carrion Crown campaign trait. You should ask him if this is the case for you.
As for adding shield spikes, it is much the same as the process for creating that keen longsword. Click "Magic, Custom & Masterwork Armor" at the top of the Armor tab, select "- Custom / magic armor -" at the top of the list, select Heavy Steel Shield as the base item, click "Click to add a new Special Ability", scroll down to shield spikes, and voila. Your shield now does a d6 damage instead of a d4 when bashing.
So if we go with that suggestion, it's more like this:
OK - that helps clarify. I will make some notes on purchases soon.
I agree. Healing type potions should be kept. The problem with selling the potions of restoration and the like and then buying scrolls is that we do not have any effective gain. I suppose a few gold since we are selling at 55% and buying at norm for a scroll, which is usually 1/2 a potion. Also, this would make it so that only Valen or I could use the scrolls whereas anyone can use the potions.
I say keep all the healing stuff - wands, potions, scrolls, etc. The either do not get counted in the total or are take from the group/healing pool.
If our total is 3751, then I will be short for the Headband of Wisdom. Not sure if everyone has decided on their level 5 feats, and how RGM views craft feats. But, being what appears to be a magic limited campaign, if someone took Craft Wondrous Items, then all of our casters could work together to craft items - Headbands of Wisdom/Charisma for all of our casters (which happens to be everyone but Weehawk), Belts of Str for me and Weehawk. And other useful stuff which we seem to be short on in the small town we have been working from. I know that we are moving north to a bigger town, but do not know if it will be big enough to have most of what we will want going forward.
Vaghn - Question, is there a reason you have Weapon Finesse? With 12 Str and 14 Dex, it only gives you a +1 on attack. While this is nice, I would think that there are other more beneficial feats. Normally I see people with Weapon Finesse when they have like 18 Dex and 10 Str or something like that - usually rogues or Dex based fighters.
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That is perfectly acceptable to me. That is why I did not recommend selling the lesser restoration potions, for instance. Remove disease is particular in that it a) is usually something that happens between adventures, not during an emergency, so it is not a big deal that we could not all use it, and also the fact that it requires a caster level check; the potions will always use +5, but soon Valen, at least, will outstrip that. Either way is fine, just explaining my reasoning. :)
Wasn't planning on going the item crafting route myself (already feel like a utility-bot as is :P), but I'd be happy to assist in crafting with my decent UMD score if nothing else.
Weapon Finesse is a pre-req for a feat I'm planning on taking later, Serpent Lash, and it's big brother Greater Serpent Lash.
Not sure what everyone's day is like today, but I wanted to wish you all a Thanksgiving blessing and hope it is a wonderful day.
Among all the the things to be thankful for, thanks for letting me join a great group for some RPG fun.
PS - I guess I should all also add Happy Hanukkah if you're celebrating that festival as well. Whew - holidays are coming fast and furious. ;-)