Now I found the Bramble Brewer archetype for the Alchemist and want to play it.
The issue with Pathfinder, so many choices!
Alright here's what I think I'll run instead of the kineticist. Tillia is a Lust Mage (sin magic specialist wizard).
I've asked on the boards to people who have the .pdf so we'll see if they respond.
I have the pdf.
I'm not sure what this is but it sounds interesting...
You don't mean the toymaker I hope.
The Psychic is a bit like the Sorceror.One of the 'bloodlines' is Abomination - there is a dark something inside that powers your magic. You can 'go darkside', if you will, for a few rounds per day and do more damage and be immune to fear.
Amnesiac is a Archetype. It represents someone who doesn't have an understanding of their powers - their spells known changes every day, and at semi-random.
Mutation Mind takes on a horrific (like a mutagen) form for a few minutes per day. While it sounds like it would work well, it's basically the antithesis of Abomination as the powers work at complete cross purposes.
You can find the classes and features here
So:
* human cleric (Cayden Cailean) OR ?? Bramble Brewer Alchemist
* human wizard
* human warpriest of Milani
* human monk.
I'm a bit worried that Lust Mage might overlap with Psychic. On the other hand the other concept I'm looking at is an Arcane Trickster
1: Unchained Rogue
2: Wizard
3: Wizard - buy Accomplished Sneak Attacker Feat
4: Wizard - sneak attack goes to 2d6. 2nd level spells.
5: Arcane Trickster
And that definitely overlaps, plus is full of stabby badness.
The Psychic is a bit like the Sorceror.
One of the 'bloodlines' is Abomination - there is a dark something inside that powers your magic. You can 'go darkside', if you will, for a few rounds per day and do more damage and be immune to fear.
Amnesiac is a Archetype. It represents someone who doesn't have an understanding of their powers - their spells known changes every day, and at semi-random.
Mutation Mind takes on a horrific (like a mutagen) form for a few minutes per day. While it sounds like it would work well, it's basically the antithesis of Abomination as the powers work at complete cross purposes.
Like I said before, unless it's 'really, really' important to your PC concept, I would rather not have to learn something new at this time.
Can you make this work with a 'plain sorceror'?
I haven't looked but there must be some bloodline that is similar.
No, nothing similar :( Synthesist Summoner came the closest. I was actually thinking about submitting the idea to RPG Superstar if I ever got that far in the competition.
Perhaps the Arcane Trickster is the way to go. If I go vanilla Rogue I get trapfinding. Also is a more 'tricky' concept.
You could reflavor bard/archaeologist for a thief/wizard type.
Bard spells tend towards enchantment.
Unless you've got a problem, I think I'd like to try this out.
Could you have a look, please Fabian?
Tiefling Rogue (Unchained) 1 / Wizard (Divination) 1
Reason: Meeting a Contact.
Trait: Shadow Stabber. Historian of the Rebllion or Ex-Asmodeon.
Feat: Armor of the Pit? Combat Expertise? Dodge? Not sure.
Background - highly summarised
Stilleto was bred and trained by Thrune to be a weapon. His childhood was brutal training in assassination. His teenage years were spent helping create coups and hunt down rebellions.
He could be trusted because from an early age he was given a Prisoner's Ring that grew with him. Escape was impossible. He tried it twice.
Eventually his training culminated in learning magic - with the ring as his power source . Now expendable - but expensive - and utterly 'loyal' he was used to assassinate targets outside the empire.
Finally he was assigned to kill a visiting Caydenite priest. He stalked the woman for a week, and worked out exactly how to do it. Instead he warned her to run - knowing it was likely to be his own death. He readied himself to cut off the finger with the ring, but instead she 'killed' him, then smiled and dispelled the ring and the illusion.
He put his training to use in running - only to discover it really did seem no-one was following him. Bemused, he changed his name and settled down in Kintargo. There he was able to embrace the human part of his soul - rather than the infernal taint - and found friendship, acceptance, and a home.
Thrune's new push into Kintargo is anathema to his existence. He understands the strategy they're using. This will be the end of everything he loves about Kintargo - unless someone fights.
And who knows better how to fight than he does.
For the record I've been intrigued by the AT since 3.0
Tried to play one, but the campaign folded.
Does Tillia's backstory still involve ending up in a brothel and finding out about Milani? If so, I can link our backstories...
Also, was there any conflict to speak of before martial law was imposed? I'm assuming so in my backstory because otherwise, how would Thrune know who to go after?
Bard spells tend towards enchantment.
Unless you've got a problem, I think I'd like to try this out.
Could you have a look, please Fabian?
This is fine. Unchained rogue is not too different from regular rogue so I'm Ok with it so go ahead and develop him further.
Game on!
Does Tillia's backstory still involve ending up in a brothel and finding out about Milani? If so, I can link our backstories...
Also, was there any conflict to speak of before martial law was imposed? I'm assuming so in my backstory because otherwise, how would Thrune know who to go after?
Yes, there were issues before the martial law came into effect. Thrune has a strangle-hold on Cheliax and everything is very 'lawful (evil).
Hellknights on the street, diabolist pacts, etc.
Alright here's what I think I'll run instead of the kineticist. Tillia is a Lust Mage (sin magic specialist wizard).
Oops, I missed this post.
I'll take a closer look and give you comments later today.
Game on!
The only thing it does different is dictates my opposed school and causes me to treat spells of those school as not being on my spell list any longer.
Does Tillia's backstory still involve ending up in a brothel and finding out about Milani? If so, I can link our backstories...
Also, was there any conflict to speak of before martial law was imposed? I'm assuming so in my backstory because otherwise, how would Thrune know who to go after?
Yes, there were issues before the martial law came into effect. Thrune has a strangle-hold on Cheliax and everything is very 'lawful (evil).
Hellknights on the street, diabolist pacts, etc.
Present Day
The empire runs on the backs of fiends now, a perfect machine of hellfire and blood, where morality surrenders to the needs of law and order. It's easy to curse Cheliax as a nation of devil-lovers, but few can argue with the results of their fiend-binding craft. House Thrune, the greatest of its diabolic noble families, has brought the empire under control once more. Cheliax rises like a dark star, as strong as ever, despite the losses of Galt and Andoran to rebellious forces.
Asmodeus proves as powerful a divine patron as Aroden ever did, shepherding his people toward glory and dominance of the Inner Sea. His plans reach eons into the future, and the minor setbacks of yesterday are all factored into the cost of doing a devil's business. The Chelish always plan for a long campaign, and never trifle over today's skirmishes. In the end, all will burn in hellfire. It is only a matter of time and calculated conquest.
Government
Since the Thrune Ascendancy of 4640 AR, Cheliax has been ruled by House Thrune along with a new configuration of noble houses made up of those willing to follow the philosophy of Diabolism. Much of the power of House Thrune was gained through the initial bargain struck between Abrogail Thrune and the rulers of Hell, although rumors abound that additional pacts have been made since that time in the quest for still greater power. Currently Queen Abrogail II, the great-granddaughter of Abrogail I, rules Cheliax with the aid and support of Gorthoklek, her pit fiend advisor.[19]
Governmental policy within Cheliax is focused upon maintaining order and quelling dissent. This is in direct response to the 30 years of internecine warfare and chaos that preceded the Thrune Ascendancy, as well as the absolute order inherent in the support of Hell. There is a great deal of physical peace and order which allows the lives of ordinary citizens to proceed normally, but it carries a high moral price. Cheliax is far from the abomination of twisted evil imagined by many outsiders, but it does not allow room for any dissent. Nationalistic feelings run deep and are practically required to avoid suspicion. Ambition causes normal citizens to turn in those that they suspect as traitors to Imperial Cheliax, for the perceived promise of wealth and advancement. Organized secular and religious forces such as the Hellknights and the Inquisitors further strive to quell any organized dissent.
Chelish Laws
The laws of Cheliax are based upon the Asmodean Disciplines, which also serve as the primary religious text for the Church of Asmodeus. These laws are expansive and intrusive, and attempt to regulate nearly every element of a citizen's public and private life. Because of this, many of them are not enforced, and may not even be enforceable, but they nevertheless serve the purpose of the government by allowing the prompt removal of undesirable elements of society under some perceived or interpreted infraction, or as incentive for citizens to spy on one another.
More info here
Lydia and Aquila Drovenge were certain that their daughter would become a great scholar since she had such two qualified tutors. Priscilla wanted to be the obedient daughter and fulfill their expectations but the problem was that she hated school. She found it very hard to learn in such a structured environment and often found her mind wandering and herself doodling. She fell in love with drawing and secretly hoped to become an artist when older. She struggled through her studies when she was young and her parents were less than accepting of her performance. They grew distant and she noticed that her mother called her rosebud less often.
When she was a teenager she often skipped class to spend time in Villegre Park, people watching and sketching. It was in Villegre Park that she first saw Tiberius. His laugh first caught her attention as the melodious sound of it traveled across the park. His wavy brown hair and striking blue eyes kept her attention and he became the sole muse for her sketchpad. Over the course of the next few weeks she frequented the park more often in hopes of seeing him and adding to her growing number of drawings. She must have caught his attention as well because while she was engrossed with her latest portrait, a hand pulled the pad of paper away. She looked up in horror, her cheeks coloring and her mouth agape. Before she could snatch it back, he had flipped through it and said, “These are really well done. You flatter me, miss. Can I have this one?” Priscilla nodded before holding out her hand for her sketchpad back. Tiberius flopped down on the ground and introduced himself. They became inseparable over the next few months and Priscilla was convinced that she had found her soulmate.
Priscilla never paid much attention to the politics in her home city of Kintargo but she did think it odd that Tiberius was gone most evenings. One night when she was agonizing over finally asking him where he disappeared to without her, she was surprised to find him quietly knocking at her window. Afraid her parents would hear, she quickly opened the casement and was shocked to see that he was bleeding. Pulling him into her room, she was horrified to see a huge wound in his side. She tried to stop the bleeding by pressing her pillow into the wound but Tiberius was still losing blood. His eyes rolled back into his head and he lost consciousness. Priscilla could barely see through her tears and she pleaded with Tiberius to wake up. It was then that her left wrist became uncomfortably hot which radiated into her hand. She stared in unbelief as her hand began to glow softly and she felt compelled to place it over his wound. Seconds later the bleeding stopped and minutes later Tiberius regained consciousness. With the life and death drama averted, Priscilla inspected her wrist. Surprise registered on her face as her rosebud birthmark had morphed into a perfectly drawn rose growing out of a blood soaked street. Showing it to Tiberius she asked, “Do you know what this means?” Tiberius smiled and weakly nodded as he struggled to his feet. “There is a lot you need to be told but we can’t stay here. I may have already put your family in danger by coming here but I thought it would be the last time I’d see your face so I had to come. There is a chance that once we leave you won’t be able to come back. If you aren’t prepared for that then I will go but I won’t be able to come back.” After mulling over the consequences of his words Priscilla gathered a few things together into a backpack and said, “I was never going to be a scholar anyways.”
That night, Priscilla’s eyes were opened to a world she had never known. She met Tiberius’ uncle and learned that he was involved with a group called the Silver Ravens and that Tiberius had begun doing some reconnaissance for them as well. This was why he had been gone so many evenings and how he had gotten hurt - obviously he hadn’t been as careful as he had thought. She knew that things had been stricter in the city as of late but she had no idea that the people of Kintargo were being oppressed as much as they were. When Tiberius showed his uncle her wrist, they began talking excitedly about her having to meet with their contact in the Rose of Kintargo.
When Priscilla met with Rulla from the Rose of Kintargo, she learned that the mark on her wrist was that of the holy symbol of Milani and that she must have been chosen by the goddess herself to help in the fight that was to come. Feeling a renewed sense of purpose, Priscilla agreed to undergo training in secret to learn the ways of Milani since following the goddess was frowned upon.
During her training, Priscilla could tell that there was an increasing undercurrent of tension in Kintargo. She also decided to leave her childhood name of Priscilla behind and take on the name of Rowan. She changed her name partially to protect her parents should she be caught but she also felt that taking a new name marked her new purpose. She was living and training in a home in the Redroof district belonging to Rulla who was a merchant of cloth. Elsbeth, a cleric of Milani who had traveled from another city, was also staying with Rulla as Rowan’s mentor. After a particularly grueling month of training, Rowan snuck out of the house one night in order to find Tiberius. It had been awhile since they had seen each other and she was missing him. She had drawn a new picture of him and she had it tucked into her shirt to give to him. When she got near to his home, she saw people running about and was dismayed to see the house on fire. Having been trained to keep her emotions in check, instead of bursting into tears she quickly scanned the crowd of people for familiar faces. When she didn’t see anyone she knew, she blended into the chaos and headed back for Rulla’s with a heavy heart. When she got about a block from Rulla’s house her heart sank even further as she witnessed a similar scene to that at Tiberius’. Rulla’s home was on fire and she didn’t see Elsbeth or Rulla in the crowd of people.
Not knowing what to do, Rowan watched with the others until the fire had been put out. She then stayed as long as seemed prudent to see if anyone official came to ransack Rulla’s home. With the growing conflict within Kintargo, Rulla had expected city officials to start making life difficult for those who didn’t fall-in-line. As a contingency, she had built a small hiding space into the floor to store emergency supplies. However, Rowan didn’t want to enter the home until she knew it was safe so she wandered the streets for a while before returning in the middle of the night. Moving quickly through the charred remains, Rowan found the hidden supplies and turned to leave when she heard the scuff of a footstep. She was preparing to fight her way out when she heard Elsbeth’s voice. “I’ve made arrangements for us to continue our training at another location but we must hurry from here.” Rowan quickly followed her mentor through the streets to a part of the city where she had never been before. She tried to keep the surprise from showing on her face when they stopped in front of a brothel and Elsbeth started to go inside. Finding a woman named Aula inside the brothel, Elsbeth and Rowan were soon settled in another location where her training continued in earnest.
News of the planned public protest in Aria Park spread quickly through the streets. Rowan believed that it would be the perfect place to look for Tiberius. She still had a small hope that he had escaped his burning home but after hearing about numerous burned homes and disappearances that fateful night, the hope was very small. All Rowan knew for sure was that her world was forever changed and that someone needed to pay.
I couldn't find an avatar with all of the features I wanted so that's the best fit for what I pictured.
The only thing it does different is dictates my opposed school and causes me to treat spells of those school as not being on my spell list any longer.
This is fine. I have no issues with the crunch either but I'll take a closer at everyone's crunch a little bit further down the road.
Looking forward to seeing Tillia in action!
** spoiler omitted **...
Nicely done!
I'm also looking forward to seeing her in action.
BTW, I was able to obtain the AP's first volume. A nameless benefactor lent it to me before I could even buy it.
This is good news!
I have a lot of reading to do but I'm confident that we'll start playing sometime next week.
This means that we have to get PCs ready to go so... get working on that crunch if you've settled on a concept. If undecided on a concept then select one! :)
Questions?
Game on!
So the current roster is:
- human cleric (Cayden Cailean) OR ?? Bramble Brewer Alchemist
- human wizard
- human warpriest of Milani
- human monk
- tiefling rogue/wizard.
I'm going to ask a six person to see if they to join.
Mowque, have you settled on the human cleric or are you still considering the 'alchemist' (or something else)?
Game on!
Got a link for and image of Tillia added into her alias.
In looking at what the group has, and with all due respect to the Monk and the Warpriest, the group appears a little light in the Martial/Tank department or possibly the Ranged/Archer department.
I'd be interested in hearing opinions on that assumption before I drive forward with a concept and such.
Reviewing the roster, I think melee is covered with the cleric, warpriest, and monk unless they decided to go 'ranged'. Please speak up.
So I think ranged is preferable as are other 'mixed' concepts (magus, bard, alchemist, investigator, etc.)
PF has so many classes that it's usually best to settle on a concept and then provide the crunch for it.
I'm surprised no one wanted to be a 'noble' (either in good standing or cast out). I'm pretty sure that would provide plenty of RP opportunities.
Game on!
I know there are some "new" class options, but I haven't taken the time to learn them, so if ranged is desired, I'd likely do it as a Fighter or Ranger. With the game largely being in one place and urban, the Urban Ranger archetype seems a particularly good choice.
Since you posted earlier with Core and Tieflings only, but ask if you want something else, and since they are at least mentioned in the Player's guide, I'll go ahead and ask: Strix?
No need for new classes and urban ranger is fine.
With regards to strix... if tieflings are second class citizens, I would think that strix are stone on sight. I can sort of see this working in a wilderness adventure with little social/town interaction but it would be too weird for an urban setting so... no strix.
Other questions?
Reviewing the roster, I think melee is covered with the cleric, warpriest, and monk unless they decided to go 'ranged'. Please speak up.
Warpriest is melee ready, not ranged.
I'm surprised no one wanted to be a 'noble' (either in good standing or cast out). I'm pretty sure that would provide plenty of RP opportunities.
It was in the fact the first thing I thought of... Were I not currently playing three nobles in other games...
My guy's an all rounder. Decent melee and short range capabilities (within 30ft). AC 20. I'm not sure how well I built him as I'm not used to rogues.
If I do the Urban Ranger, which seems likely I suppose, I will have the rogue skills as well. Not that the Rogue isn't welcome to run those risks.
I will be taking both the Child of Kintargo Trait, and the Noble Scion Feat. I'll be a human. have not yet decided which of the families I belong to, but I'll get that done!
Good; it sounds like another interesting PC in the making!
Read the Player's Handbook and you'll see a little about each family and their allegiance. I have more info as well.
Questions?
Game on!
I will stay a cleric. Healing is always good and I like the character's story!
I think I will go with the Jarvis family.
So I'll put together a Human Urban Ranger Child of Kintargo Noble Scion of the family Jarvis. Their focus on architecture and stuff will work good for Urban Ranger.
How much money do we get for gear?
I think I will go with the Jarvis family.
So I'll put together a Human Urban Ranger Child of Kintargo Noble Scion of the family Jarvis. Their focus on architecture and stuff will work good for Urban Ranger.
Good choice for an urban ranger.
How much money do we get for gear?
500 gp each, don't spend it all in one place. :)
I will stay a cleric. Healing is always good and I like the character's story!
Ok, so it looks like...
- human male cleric (Cayden Cailean)
- human female wizard
- human female warpriest of Milani
- human male monk
- tiefling male rogue/wizard
- human male urban ranger
I think that's pretty good; let's get them sheet done. We're starting sometime next week.
Thoughts?
Game on!
How much money do we get for gear?500 gp each, don't spend it all in one place. :)
I get a 200p nonmagical item. Can I combine that 200gp with some of my 500p to get a decent weapon?
Can we dot in?
Oh goody, I get to buy more stuff!
Are there any restrictions for magical items?
I got my gear updated, the scrolls are self crafted since I have the feat. I may still spend a bit more but I have what I want to start with I think.
@Vandomir: yes, you get 700 gp
@Rowan: no restrictions other than the Automatic Bonus progression (i.e., no '+1' stuff, see rule from Campaign Page) but this shouldn't be an issue with 500 gp to spend.
I'll set up the Gameplay page so you can dot in. Remember to dot in and then delete your post so it doesn't show up on the Gameplay thread. All discussion and play goes on this page since I reserve the Gameplay thread for turn recaps. For those not familiar, see my Mummy's Mask game or ask.
Game on!
Who has the warpriest of Milani?
I was thinking I'd make Vandomir a rebellious younger son of House Jarvis, who maybe has gotten involved with the sect of Milani as my tie in.
How about you all take 1 extra skill rank per level to be used on a profession and/or 'hobby' skill thus giving you all something else that you do besides just adventuring.
Craft (stonemason) acceptable for a member of House Jarvis?
Rowan is the warpriest. I posted my backstory a little earlier so if you can tie in then I'm good with that.
The Psychic is a bit like the Sorceror.
One of the 'bloodlines' is Abomination - there is a dark something inside that powers your magic. You can 'go darkside', if you will, for a few rounds per day and do more damage and be immune to fear.
Amnesiac is a Archetype. It represents someone who doesn't have an understanding of their powers - their spells known changes every day, and at semi-random.
Mutation Mind takes on a horrific (like a mutagen) form for a few minutes per day. While it sounds like it would work well, it's basically the antithesis of Abomination as the powers work at complete cross purposes.Like I said before, unless it's 'really, really' important to your PC concept, I would rather not have to learn something new at this time.
Can you make this work with a 'plain sorceror'?
I haven't looked but there must be some bloodline that is similar.
Huh - I had another look at Occult Adventures, and there is a bloodline that comes pretty close there - the Psychic Bloodline. It gets some hoopy stuff at 9th level, but at lower levels the weirdness is limited to:
* Thought and Emotion components rather than V and S.* Access to a single spell (Mind Thrust I) that does 1d6/CL (max 5d6) at short range with psychic damage (will save halved).
Is this maybe close enough to look at?
In which case I'll go a Ranged Divination Psychic Blaster Sorceror!
And a Link!
Build in the works, and I need to tinker with the personality - it's not quite there yet.
Someone played the Unchained card earlier, are you game with the Unchained Monk variant, Fabian? Those Ki powers in a couple levels would be nice, giving a player more options.
Also, will be off for the weekend - will keep reading and planning, but won't do much heavy writing from the Place Beyond Internet ;^)
@Harakani: Psychic bloodline is fine
@Vandomir: Craft (stonemason) is acceptable
@Eirik: unchained monk is fine
Any other questions?
Game on!
Will try to get sheet done this weekend. Not sure if I will have time. Fabian, how do you want the sheet submitted? I know last time you gave me a custom Word document but I have a pdf. I much prefer (it does more calculation).
Will try to get sheet done this weekend. Not sure if I will have time. Fabian, how do you want the sheet submitted? I know last time you gave me a custom Word document but I have a pdf. I much prefer (it does more calculation).
Just get me the stats any way you want to. I will put them into my .docx sheets for ease of reference once I print them out at home.
I also check the numbers when I put them in 'my format' so it's all good.
Game on!
My char info is being worked on under the alias's profile - a rather convenient system these Paizo fellows have built here. Could grow fond of the convenience ;-)