Is a creature flat footed against adjacent invisible attackers if they have scent? If so, are there any other bonuses to invisibility that do not apply against creatures with scent?
Scent just lets you pinpoint what square the invisible creature is in within a certain range automatically. All the other bonuses that invisible creatures get against you still apply.
That means you still have a 50% miss chance to hit them, you're still flat-footed against their attacks, they still get a +2 to hit you.
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A creature is flat-footed until it perceives it is being attacked and acts on it. It can't apply its DEX bonus to AC against an opponent it can't see, unless it has Blind-Fight.
Scent helps to avoid being surprised and to identify the square an invisible opponent is in, but doesn't negate other consequences of not seeing your opponent.
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That does not seem to make a lot of sense. If two PC are in a room, one with the scent ability and one without... an invisible attacker moves up to plunge his dagger into your back. It seems that the person without scent gets hit (no dex and attacker gets +2) and yells out after he gets hit. Now guy with scent goes sniff, sniff, hey someone I can't see just walked up next to me, and I need to wait for it to attack me to say (or do) something about it.
So one has a "special ability" but it does not help to react to your surroundings even if you know there is something out there.
You are certainly denied dex, but I wonder if you are flat footed as you are aware of potentially hostile individuals in the area.
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You are certainly denied dex, but I wonder if you are flat footed as you are aware of potentially hostile individuals in the area.
prototype00
You can be award of enemies in the area and still be flatfooted. For example, when you are in the first wound of combat and you haven't taken your turn yet, you are considered flatfooted.
Though nothing about being attacked by an invisible enemy makes you flatfooted. You just lose your Dexterity modifier to your AC. As far as I know, the only things that make you flatfooted are certain uses of the Acrobatics skill and not having acted yet in the first round of combat.
For a rogue (or other character that has sneak attack or precision based attacks) being flat-footed or denied your dex means those extra dice of damage come into play.
For a special ability it should help you out in the event of an invisible (to the eye) attacker that you are aware of, maybe denied dex, but not be considered flat-footed.
Just a thought . . .
Now what would it help if you had both scent and blindsense? I just see these things as a means to help you fight since you are aware of your surroundings in a manner that is beyond human normal, but they don't help you as much as the blind in one eye, hard of hearing fighter who picks up the blind fight feat :-(