I'm curious ;). I always like to see what direction the others are taking their characters if nothing else. It's part of the fun of the game for me.
I meant hunter the class, but seeing as he doesn't have an animal companion, maybe not.
53 or above is cumulatively -3 to str/dex/con for +2 int/wis/cha, assuming he's human of course. That's pretty rough for a martial character. Are you secretly an Aasimar with the age resistance racial trait? I think that would be kinda cool.
My son is over his cold, so things are a bit better. Though he still have some problems which takes extra time.
Speaking with Foxy we decided that we weren't going to worry about any of the age adjustments to ability scores. As his age is simply for roleplay and flavor purposes.
That would have been a cool way to do it, but he is indeed human.
He is also not a hunter.
If you are really curious I can show you the sheet. However secrecy is somewhat a large part of my concept to start with. I was thinking we would have fun hinting at his class without telling anyone, and having everyone try figure out what I was.
I will tell you that he is certainly not a martial in primary function.
Good Morning all
Good morning to you. Hopefully you'll get to play with us soon...
I hope so as well
Would you mind also responding to my previous post.
If you want to see Harrold's sheet or not.
I'll manage without I suppose.
I can tell you anything you want to know from it except my class and class abilities.
Hit Points:
8
Initiative:
+5
Speed: Walk 20 ft.
AC: 15 (touch 13, flatfooted 12)
Attacks:
*Longbow +3; Quarterstaff (two handed) +1;
Damage: *Longbow 1d8; Quarterstaff (two handed) 1d6+1
Vision:
Face / Reach: 5 ft. / 5 ft.
Special Attacks:
Saves:
Fortitude: +2, Reflex: +5, Will: +1
Abilities:
STR 12 (+1), DEX 16 (+3), CON 10 (+0), INT 18 (+4), WIS 13 (+1), CHA 10 (+0)
Skills: Appraise +8, Craft (Guess) +8, Disable Device +4, Heal +5, Perception +5, Profession (Guess) +5, Sense Motive +2, Sleight of Hand +4, Spellcraft +8, Stealth +1, Survival +5
Feats:
Martial Weapon Proficiency (Longbow), Point-Blank Shot
Alignment: Neutral Good
Possessions: Longbow; Outfit (Peasant's); Leather; Backpack, Common; Arrow, Blunt (20); Bell; Charcoal (1 stick); Parchment (Sheet); Rope (Hemp/50 ft.); String (50 ft.); Wrist Sheath, Spring Loaded; Arrows (20); Bandolier; Iron Vial; Quarterstaff
Please remind me of rules in discussion. Not in gameplay.
Also you can't hide in plain sight. At all. So just for the fun of it we ignore both and the Acolytes have not seen you slipping in but seen that you took a closer look at the crypt as you came out.
You can't hide in plain sight, but so long as you start and end your turn in concealment you are fine. So if they left the crypt and then snuck around the side they don't need to hide in plain sight
We are a stealthy bunch XD. Tamara would probably put away her shield while trying to sneak out to reduce her ACP by 2, but it's still nowhere near enough.
I have a feeling I have way too much gold on my sheet... How much did we start with? That's the problem with reusing characters from another requirement, sometimes the little details slip.
x10gp or average of 105gp
40 gold is not enough for anything... I'll change my leftover wealth to match 105 if that's ok.
Given the current situation I think it makes sense to describe the acolyte's reactions before we post what we do...
I know it wasn't really a choice. But with a good rolls it would have been an option.
x10gp
x10gp
Yep, no good rolls in there either. Keep your average.
I had the average I think plus I had the Trait "On the Payroll" so I had more, I bought consumables with it. Sun rods and Holy water and such.
Do I really need the spell "Bless" to make holy water?
Keep the change ;)
Yes you need that. But making holy water is completely useless as the rules say that you can buy that at every temple at creation cost (25gp).
About Exp are you just going to say we level and we do or are you handing out bits and pieces?
I am fine with either way, just so I can keep it updated in HL and such when I am on my home PC
Experience points are a thing that is completely unknown to this campaign :)
OK, never know how people like dolling things out.
I am ready to Clear the Professors name
You are mostly free to do what you like in this campaign. But experience points are not really helpful if you decide to leave some things out (or don't find them). Hunting for more skeletons to get the missing 213 XP to level up before moving into the next floor of the building is the worst kind of meta gaming. Therefore no XP.
I'll just throw the next level at you once it becomes necessary for you to stay heroic.
But if you completely ignore the hints of the adventure and run to the end boss fight first (which you could actually do within 30min. games time from where you stand) this principle would come to it's limits.
Good Morning. Nice to see you got to know each other in game.
but I must say I cringed here on reading this:
"Who are you to defile a grave and then come to pray over another?", arrow knocked but with bow not yet drawn.
Please let me explain the pain this causes to me. There is The Eversleep. This long way that runs from one side of the Restlands to the other. Along this path are (left to right) the acolytes, the grave of the professor and the crypt.
Now Herm leaves the crypt (followed by the others) and walks towards the grave and the acolytes reducing the distance to about 120feet. Harrold also moves towards the grave, takes his bow from his shoulders, knocks an arrow and threatens the group.
As the acolytes are not deaf and blind they see that. They probably don't hear it as no one is shouting and it is still some distance. But this is going to have consequences. This looks pretty much like what Gibs did this morning and isn't going to earn Harrold any sympathies with Father Grimburrow.
"What do you call breaking into a crypt and coming out carrying it's contents if not defiling?" he asks keeping his bow pointed at the floor
Even if we ignore the fact that Herm, Tamera and Amira have backpacks and Herm stated he packs the stuff away and I wrote they pack up before leaving. Even if they walk out in bright daylight with a darkwood case, a hand full of arrows, some scrolls and an arm full of potion vials. Not in your dreams would you come to the conclusion this is something one could steal from a crypt. This smells like Harrold has insights into his players head who read what happened inside the crypt.
And I really like Herm's reaction to that.
He looks trustworthy
I'll give it to you that Herm entered the crypt with a bad conscience and might have the urge to confess. Being a paladin sometimes makes life harder than it has to be. But here in Ravengro I would react along the lines of "You're halluzinating old man. We only admired the fine masonry on that crypt." Let him prove you wrong.
This is just a feedback about how your actions play out in my mind. I'm having fun here.
Good Morning.
The paladin can't really lie. Leave that to the devious girls ;).
That and we didn't Defile the tomb, I made sure to not break the lid and to replace things as we found them. Now the bugs we did leave but We cannot be expected to be house cleaning as well. The bugs were there to defile the crypt and we just stopped them as such.
What Harrold did see was a bunch of people looking scaly outside a tomb. People he has never seen before. How old is that Tomb? Living in the area Harrold would know that it isn't a recent crypt so it is highly unlikely that these people are here to pay respects.
Concluding that people ,looking scaly going into a tomb that he believes they shouldn't be, leads to bad things is not a far logical jump to make in my mind at least.
He assumed they defiled as in 'went in and did something that shouldn't be done in a crypt'.
I will be honest that I forgot that Herm packed the vials and such away, but even with that, 20 arrows, and the box of haunt siphons would be visible, in my mind at least.
I also don't have a map so I thought the grave was significantly further from the acolytes than it is.
If it grates you a bit too much I can see about deleting those posts. But then things look even funnier, unless everyone else deletes theirs too.
Also note that citizens of Ustalav are noted as being very superstitious. For a reason similar to why the townsfolk tried to block the funeral procession, Harrold would get uppity about people he has never seen, going into a crypt.
Especially after hearing that a man who he has known for almost his entire life, who he knows researched necromancy, died recently, in a questionable "accident".
There is nothing to be changed about that. It is too late anyway.
As of now you are part of the superstitious village people. The reaction was perfectly fine. Doing that without a weapon in hand and the accusation a bit more general - like disturbing the dead or even accusing them of necromancy - and it would have been perfect.
But these little things make a big difference sometimes.
The meta gaming not so much but the weapon thing.
I can understand why you think the weapon was too much, but I hope you can also understand why he would feel the need to be ready to defend himself.
Harrold is an old man facing down three people who he believes to be doing wrong. One of them also has a massive hammer and armor. He is also close enough that one of them could run to him and attack him on their next turn.
He wouldn't want to risk them being next to him before he can draw his bow. He also never leveled it at anyone, but had it in hand with an arrow. The modern equivalent would be to have an armed cash in transit guide with a weapon in plain view on a sling, so he doesn't have to draw it.
I hope that makes sense, and explains my thinking of him somewhat
As for paladins and lying.
Lying isn't inherently evil, so no problem here.
Code of conduct is the thing to go for in this case and that depends on the deity. But Herm selected Iomedae who is rather strict in her code of conduct:
• I will learn the weight of my sword. Without my heart to guide it, it is worthless—my strength is not in my sword, but in my heart. If I lose my sword, I have lost a tool. If I betray my heart, I have died.
• I will have faith in the Inheritor. I will channel her strength through my body. I will shine in her legion, and I will not tarnish her glory through base actions.
• I am the first into battle, and the last to leave it.
• I will not be taken prisoner by my free will. I will not surrender those under my command.
• I will never abandon a companion, though I will honor sacrifice freely given.
• I will guard the honor of my fellows, both in thought and deed, and I will have faith in them.
• When in doubt, I may force my enemies to surrender, but I am responsible for their lives.
• I will never refuse a challenge from an equal. I will give honor to worthy enemies, and contempt to the rest.
• I will suffer death before dishonor.
• I will be temperate in my actions and moderate in my behavior. I will strive to emulate Iomedae’s perfection.
I had looked up a few different Lawful Good creeds before I started to RP Herm, I tried to take the best and most interesting from them all.
I also don't want him to be lawful stupid, He followed The Inheritor (i say that for RP reasons and because it is easier to spell) but he made a pact with her, he believes in her and all the rest of the Gods now and understands that they are powerful but that they do use people as he has seen before and the history that he knows from the Knights of Ozem.
He realizes that all actions have consequences and he believes that if he is doing it for the right reason he will not be punished.
I will suffer death (at the Harrowstone) before dishonor (by getting cought robbing a grave for helpful tools).
@Herm
As you visibly struggled with the decision to go into the crypt (And with struggle I mean you wanted to go and were only held back by your role as a paladin) I would be interested to know why you chose Iomedae as your deity?
Okay. I got the answer before the question was written.
I won't kill your pally status for anything short of murder. Mostly. So no worries here. You just might get questioned in game.
But there are quite some deities out there who are not LG like Sarenrae (NG) which are a bit easier on this honourable part.
It's a shame you can't become a paladin of Cayden Cailean (CG).
I had a different God but then was looking though my copy of Paths of Prestige. I like the Knight of Ozem and thought it would be kinda fitting for this AP. You have to have her Iomedae as your God to do the Prestige class, mind you it might be hard because I lose a lot of the Paladin stuff for those 10 levels.
Plus it makes it more interesting to Role play him
As it came up:
Your characters life in a world that I create for you. The problem is, that you can't see the world as it is in my mind and I'm limited in describing it with words.
This leads to situations like we discuss here with Harrold. But there is nothing wrong with you deciding your actions as you did. There is no harm done (especially not to me). I'm just adding my imagination of the situation here in discussion hoping to give you a better idea of the picture in my mind for the next encounter.
As I wrote: I'm having fun here. And behind your back I'm scheming the consequences ;)
I was worried that I had caused it to be unfun for you, breaking verisimilitude and such.
You seemed somewhat upset in your first post on the topic so I wanted to try clear it up as quickly as possible
I think the biggest problem for a paladin of Iomeda lies in this line:
I will have faith in the Inheritor. I will channel her strength through my body. I will shine in her legion, and I will not tarnish her glory through base actions.
What is base actions? Stealing, lying and defiling a crypt could certainly be considered as such...
@Foxy: Trying to dictate the actions of the players is a slippery slope. That said this situation had the potential to turn out into quite the conflict between the players. I'm glad that was avoided though.
Let's finally get things started now that we are all together :).
I made sure that I displayed my base objections, I went in without stealing or breaking and entering.
Herm took the 2 bugs as a test of strength from The Inheritor, I channeled her strength and I am a member in training of her legion.
I guess as long as I can justify my actions with that single line I should be ok.
Herm quickly but gently starts to gather up all the vials, placing them carefully in his pack, wrapping them in his bed roll and spare clothing.
I couldn't see anything about people putting the arrows into a pack so I assumed they were carried out
As everything is packed up Herm heaves the lid back on the sarcophagus.
I did pack it up for him.
They would be sticking out really, I don't even know if I took some but lets say I did :)
I am happy with that. I just wanted to point out why I thought what I did :P
No worries
My bad. Darius is the one who opened the door in the other game. I corrected it to Herm now.
I'm going to wait until someone moves into one direction or the other.
Seems like we've decided on the other tower.
The question now becomes, "Does foxy make splash weapons deal 'splash' damage to a swarm?". As in, we both hit the swarm so it takes the direct 1d6, but do the other squares of the swarm take the 1 damage from being adjacent to a creature hit by alchemists fire?
I have seen it ruled both ways
Your splash actually deal 5 damage. Herm's deal 1 though.
Swarms and metagaming is a really weird subject. Normally you have to roll a knowledge check to know anything about a creature. But obviously PCs can see if enemies are large enough to hit with a hammer. In this case though, Herm's metagaming is costing more than it gains... Rat swarms actually takes full damage from his hammer!
Also, didn't the swarm win initiative?
A swarm made up of Tiny creatures takes half damage from slashing and piercing weapons. A swarm composed of Fine or Diminutive creatures is immune to all weapon damage.
As the swarm counts as one creature you don't get splash damage on the rest. Also you managed to confuse me with adding the 50%yourself. Now I have to edit the post. You're going to get swarmed by a burning rat swarm.
And yes the rats were first. But they have really low movement so I decided that they can't reach and swarm you on first round.
Ok Tamara responded already. It were a weak rat swarm.
Was just trying to make your life easier is all. Just give the extra hp to the next thing we fight :p
@Harold, An example of why knowing your sheet is useful: In this situation you probably forgot to include point blank shot to damage. Your bonus to damage should have been 1 higher, 2 higher after factoring in the +50%. I can't point out such things if I don't know what's going on. Though of course at this point I do know enough about what's going on and you did list the feat above.