No need to be like that. Give me a solid reason she should trust a dark elf she just met and I'll run with it. So far he has done nothing but insult her and claims to be there to help. Sure he's being non-violent but she doesn't know who is after the Guardians. Could be you and Egryzon on after her too. I want this game to go forward to but she isn't going to blindly accept help from people she doesn't know or trust. Especially a smartass drow, who I assume have a negative reputation in this world just like any other drow. Kobolds as well. I assume you picked drow for this very reason. A race that has difficulty breaking the stereotype surrounding them.
Trust is one thing. I will give you that, But being confrontational agaisnt every PC and NPC does not bold well for the future of any game. You do not trust drow and that is fine, and yes he is a smart ass. Being a smart ass and being openly violent towards everyone are two different things. I feel you have built a character that is all about what she wants and it will be on her terms and that is it. A lone wolf attitude that cares not for anyone at all but herself and her agenda. So that is why I do not see this going anywhere with that character being the way she is. Once again Good luck with the game and DM thank you for the opportunity. I wish it was under better circumstances.
I was expecting some friction, but honestly Zak has a point. Marla has been hostile to every character she's interacted with it, and to be honest I expected it to an extent, but I was thinking that most of it was going to be aimed at Audria, which I was fine with. I was hoping that I could wait until I got home to address this, but I can see that's not the case. Marla needs to tone down the hostility, or I might as well just call it here since I doubt anyone else will want to be in a party with someone waiting for an excuse to kill them. Yes, I know she's an angry little girl, but she still needs to be able to function as a member of a party.
Zak, if you still want to leave, I'm not going to hold that against you. I do hope that you'll stay for a bit to see if we can all be adults here and adjust things so everyone's having fun. I include myself in this since I was aiming on having Audria be a bit of a doormat at first given how things have gone for her in the past year. that's not going to work if she's going to be the voice of reason for Marla.
So, can we try this again, maybe this time without Marla threatening the other PCs?
Those are true statements. She is. But there has only been three total characters involved. Granted the trend is likely to continue for a while but that doesn't mean she can't learn, change, or be forced into something by a higher power. I was planning to develop her over time into someone less aggressive. You're likely to face the same challenges as you have with mine against every NPC that isn't from the underdark as well. Would you have quite after the first inn keeper snubbed you cause your skins too dark?
If you expect every group to be all buddy buddy then you are going to severally limit the games you can be in. Plus that's just not realistic. Given the premise of the game and the fact that we had zero connection, did you really expect anything other than a rocky start? I figured that would make things interesting. You also used the exact same tactic (insults and claiming to help) to try and talk her down. Did you expect a different response? Change your approach and I'll change mine. Mention Nethys leading you here. That will at least confuse her enough to stand still. Threaten to call the guards right now. If you were part of the ones tracking her down that would seem an odd threat. Use your imagination.
Yes, I intended her to be stubborn and violent. I thought it would be an interesting challenge. She's had no one to be a foil against her personality or strength for a long time. Like the DM said, we are several orders of magnitude above the common adventurer. I didn't mean for her to drive you away.
For that, I am sorry. Can you at least wait until the others have a chance to post and weigh in? I'll try to tone it down until then.
Ninja'd by the DM but yes, I'll tone it down. But Marla needs a reason to. Right now, people are after Audria and two random people show up knowing who she is. That makes them possible enemies so of course she is going to be violent and distrustful. I can't think of a reason not to be. Besides, she's a Harbinger. Violence is a class skill.
Cliche as it might be, an alley brawl with some goons from the attack on the temple would help.
Marla, I just want to point out that there's a difference between not being buddy-buddy and threatening someone with answers and greeting them with a punch.
And if she's going to be like this with every NPC, then I am going to have to ask you to either rework her personality some so that she isn't or for you to come up with a different character. Yes the PCs are more powerful, but they are also supposed.to be heroes.
I understand that there's only been three interactions so far, but Marla has been consistently physically threatening and borderline to outright hostile towards those three characters. This is a worrying pattern for me for what I hope are obvious reasons. It's okay for Marla to be suspicious and perhaps a bit coarse with people. What I'm taking issue with is her defaulting to physical violence against someone who, so far, has made no threatening moves.
In my defense, you insult a big guy, you're probably going to get punched. Especially if he thinks you're out to kill his little buddy. Plus she, like Audria, is getting no where after 9 months of searching. That's more than a little upsetting. From her backstory you knew she was jealous of Audria, and therefore irrationally angry with her, and these two could be enemies. What do you expect? It's been like 10 min in game.
I promise she won't be like this all the time but she needs a realistic amount of time to cool down and start doing something more productive. She literally just got hit with awful news.
With Audria, yes. I was not expecting the hostility would be towards everyone. As I said, I am fine with her directing that anger at Audria. I expected it. What I was not expecting and what I am not okay with is the hostility towards everyone else. It doesn't matter if she gets better later if her actions effectively alienate the other PCs now. I'm asking you to tone it down so that we can all have a game that we enjoy. I'm not asking you to a character that is all rainbows and sparkles that only needs the power of friendship.
If you feel that I am asking too much by asking you to tone it down, then I am afraid that I'll be shuttering the game. I've already had two players lose interest, and I'm not going to waste my time running a game no one wants to play.
Man I was really liking this game too
Given a conversation I've had with Marla's player and the post they made here in the discussion thread, I've made the decision to kick them from the game. I've never done that and I hope I never have to again.
This leaves us in a bit of a bind, unfortunately and I want to know how ya'll want to proceed. We're down to three players and two of them are currently in media res with Marla and Audria. I honestly want to just scrap this and start again since we hadn't made it far. This will, hopefully, give me a chance to do a better job on getting you guys together and making things seem more alive. Drausk's scene with Ariel "Red" is a perfect example of what I want to achieve. We had fun doing that and it was going places I didn't expect. That's something I am almost always thrilled to see. When it's happening because a player is being an idiot, not so much. (Had a player who had his character admit to a crime he didn't do and that the PCs were supposed to investigate once. Didn't expect it and I don't play with him at the table anymore.)
So, the short of it is do we want to wipe the slate clean and start over? Also, do we want to bring in some new people? I know that Gestalts are stupidly powerful, but that's part of the fun. I want you guys to mow through mooks and trash buildings against bosses. Having more people means I can throw some crazy stuff at you without too much worry.
It's up to you guys. This is as much your game as it is mine.
Im down for some new people. We need martial and skill class combos
No more then two though
I was thinking of only a couple. Five seems to be a good number for PBP. I don't think Zaknador's player is object, but I'd like to hear from him first.
Also, do you mind if we start over again? I think that'd be better than trying to explain/retcon what happened to Marla.
Good luck. Have fun. Peace out.
I do not mind starting over or just dealing with the situation right here and now. I only wish that we can move forward as a group and have some fun.
As for new players, I agree we should have some more. An additional two would fit the mold quite well. I also agree that martial and skills are needed. I mean between the three players that are here we definitely have the arcane/divine covered..
a start over with one or two new players would be great.
And yes Combat and Skill based
Okay, I'll need some time to set up everything. I'll be shuttering this after we've got all our dots in the new threads.
New Gameplay thread
New Discussion thread
I'm shutting this down as soon as all three of you have dotted the new campaign.