Similar bonuses DO NOT stack.
"The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source."
Give me a day or so to go over things again, and I think I can clarify the treasure...
But I'm tempted to wait and see what the GM gives us from the city for revealing the temple for what it is.
If its cash, I can incorporate it into the final treasure amount for everybody.
If its like...Everybody gets a special request sorta thing...then?
Just saying.
It will be cash
Bel wants to get the statue Continual flame'd, a nice silver white flame.
And that got me thinking, I want to spend some of Bels cash to buy a scroll of Continual flame for each party member (Qina can apply these yeah?) His gift to them to say "thanks for the good times" and bond them as the as he's not as wordy as the others.
Thoughts?
Also, @GM 200gc a pop would be out of my price range, since it's mainly fluff and we just saved the town, would anybody give me any kind of discount on that... pretty please...
Actually, I may even be able to do the continual flames as spell tattoos. I'll have to look into that.
I'm not sure how tats work but would you not have to take it as a spell known? I know (from personal experience) how limited spell slots are for sorcerers
Sorry guys, my computer from home picked up a malware/trojan from somewhere and I have to clean it up.
Hopefully I can post more today from work.
NOTE: Scrolls of continual flame are even more expensive BTW as they require the cost of the material component (~+100 gp I think?) added to the price of each scroll.
A continual flame 'spell tattoo' might work if all you are doing is make a mark that looks like fire. That actually would make a cool new Spell-Tattoo feat or background trait. Especially if we can turn it on and off as needed.
Although having my chest tattoo appear to be on fire could be cool, it might give people ideas that I have a target on my chest...
Now that we have the final loot amounts, I will try and give everybody the money 'breakdown' today or tomorrow at the latest, then we can spend our money and decide what to do from there.
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It takes 1 hour to cast. I have three 2nd level spells a day so I shouldn't have any problem upgrading everyone who wants to pay for it before we go. Vivian will see it as an honor to improve everyones gear, transmuting the power of Gorum into everyone's stuff, heh heh heh.
Also, Thanks again for doing that Gad. Feel free to speak up if you need anything.
Bel can help with upgrading too I believe, if we're short on time.
Gad
-Silver Holy Symbol of Irori
-Manacles (Gad kinda wants to bring the woman who violated Kassen's tomb back for justice.)
-4x Sunrods
-Collar of the Inferno (Single use magic item)
-Exotic Gold Dagger
Vivian
-Pieces of Broken Golden Necklace (Kassen's)
- (+1) Cold Iron Mace
-Ring of Protection +1
-1x Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
-Silver Holy Symbol (Gorum)
-brooch of shielding 85 Charges
Qina
+100 gp
-Oil of invis x1
-Wand of Shield
-Bag of Holding (type I)
-1x Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
-1x Pot stabilize
Brezik
-Heavy curtains made of fine silk (Secret Plans?)
-Silver Holy Symbol (Torag? Abadar?)
-Pot invis x3
-1x Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
-1x Pot stabilize
-Sovereign Glue x1 dose
Allister
-1x Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
Throne With Gems
Bel
-Mwk Light Crossbow + 40 bolts
-1x Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds
-1x Pot stabilize
-Silven Raven Figurine of Wonderous power.
-Wand - Bless (21 charges, 3rd level)
GIFT TO CITY
(Total 1028gps - Suspected 'People's Money' to be returned for a city memorial.)
-Sacks of Copper
-Bags of Silver
-Bags of Gold
If you have a comment...keep it to yourself because this list is FINAL.
Total remaining group money this adventure is 10,747gp 2sp, and 5cp
Divided by 6 (5 people + Group Funds) = 1791gp, 2sp and 5cp
Decide what you want to spend it on, and let's get a move on!
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Gad's Purchases: (Baring GM approvals)
*300 gp to turn his 9-ring sword into a Master-Work weapon w/Vivian.
*400 gp for a 'Tree' Feather Token
*450 gp for a 'Swanboat' Feather Token
*50 gp for a 'Anchor' Feather Token
*100 gp for 2 Potions of 'Protection from Evil' (50 each)
*100gp for Holy Water (25 each x4)
1400gp total spent.
Okat I guess it's time to bring Breziks plan for the silk curtains up.
Brezik would like to make every person in the party a matching set of
+1 Armor Class; No Maximum Dexterity; -0 Armor check Penalty; 0% Arcane Failure check.
Used for ceremonial displays or occasionally worn (albeit with no additional benefit) over heavier armor, these robes consist of several layers of cloth and an outer layer of silk intricately woven with gold brocade designs and covered with metal studs.
What's more is he would like to make it masterwork as well. This would be mostly just something for fluff purposes but being masterwork means that we could eventually drop the money to get them enchanted if we wanted.
What Brezik needs is 2 weeks of crafting with Qina's assistance of course as well as several fitting sessions for each party member. He will of course need some help with the Masterwork Transformations... Brezik will cover the entire cost of the project from his share of the cash supplemented of course by those lovely silk curtains we found. The Silk Curtains being worth 700gp it means Brezik will only have to pay 260gp out of pocket on the project.
One last thing... 2 questions For the GM.
1. Can we give Allister's armor a +0 armor class so that it doesn't interfere with his monkly armor bonus.
2. What color was the Silk curtains we found?
1. Can we give Allister's armor a +0 armor class so that it doesn't interfere with his monkly armor bonus.
Just pay a tailor to make me a matching silk robe.
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At the moment looking at:
MW spell on Greatsword -300
Nightdrops - 250
Floating Feather Feather Token -450
Debated going breastplate, which would be -200, mw on it or the current scalemail -150. Holding off though because of the fullplate that'll be happening soon. Also Debated bracers of armor. To be continued I suppose.
GM question, if I got a feather token of Catapult would Vivs profession (soldier) allow her to operate it?
For group funds...
I think we should buy at least 1 scroll of Death Ward (700gp).
We know that where we are going will most likely have some sort of Undead, right?
1000gp +1 Bonus to Great Axe
300gp Masterwork Transformation Great Axe
260gp Group Ceremonial silk armors
55gp Masterwork Leather mans tools 5 lb.
57gp Random treats and food stuffs
50gp Masterwork Transformation Thieves Tools
40gp Chroniclers kit 4.5 gold
10gp Compass .5 lb
2gp folding ladder 16 lb
5gp Ear trumpet 2 lb
5gp Glass cutter - lb
3gp coffee pot 4 lb
2gp Shovel 8 lb
2gp Wrist sheath x2 , 2 lb
2gp Crowbar 5 lb.
1gp Saw and drill 3 lb
1gp Bellows 3 lb
1gp Merchant Scale 1 lb
1gp Bandoliers x2 -lb
1gp Iron spikes x4, Pitons x8 8 lb
1gp waffle Iron 5 lb
1791gp Total 67 lb
Keep in mind it's 500gp for brezik to add a +1 bonus to masterwork armor, or 1000gp to add a +1 bonus to masterwork weapons.
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Purchase
Full plate armor -1500gp
Masterwork -150gp
Locked gauntlet -8gp
Ioun torch -75gp
Sell
Gauntlet +1gp
Half plate armor +300gp
Everburning torch +55gp
Total cost: -1377gp
@GM - Allister would like to inquire about the price of a crate container and shipping his gemstone chair to our fort in Kassen. Not sure he can carry it along to the Isle of Terror.
@Brezik - Do you mean 500gp to add an additional +1 to masterwork armor? How long does that take?
@Captain Vivian - Before we leave for the Isle of Terror will you upgrade my new full plate to masterwork? And can I provide you with a preferred visual description? (My understanding is that your spell can change/improve the appearance of the item).
As for the Scroll of Death Ward, I'm not sure what the likelihood is that we encounter death spells, but I'm sure we'd be happy to have it if the situation arose. I've never made it this far in Pathfinder so I don't know if death spells are a thing. I will defer to you guys on that one.
Going from Masterwork armor to +1 armor is 500gp and 1 day
Going from +1 armor to +2 armor is 1500gp and 3 days
going from +2 armor to +3 armor is 2500gp and 5 days
etc... etc...
Cool Brezik!
I just wish you could improve Bracers of Armor! But that's a wondrous item not actual armor.
Brezik's first questions:
1.) Yep, though all that really does is remove the metal studs making it a fine silk robe.
2.) In the maps they are wine red, but they could very well be whatever color you choose them to be, or you could have them dyed whatever other color.
Viv question:
1.) Yep, Pro (Soldier) doesn't have too many explicit uses, but that is one of them.
Al question:
1.) About 5gp for a crate, and Captain Walran is making a return trip soon. If you'll be using his services for other reasons (such as traveling to the Isle of Terror), he has other merchant contacts that owe him favors to get it back to Kassen in one piece.
Bonus.) Your armor will only cost 1350 because of gameplay thread.
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What are people's thoughts on delaying departure for one in-game day?
The group could use that time to do some research on the Isle of Terror and what we can expect there. It would also give me a chance for Vivian to enchant my new full plate to masterwork and have Brezik upgrade it to +1.
We are technically ahead of schedule in game by a few days, but I will understand if we want to get a move on.
Fine by me.
If Brezik is happy to do it I'm game. I guess if we're all still alive after this next adventure we can have a more extended upgrading period.
Still looking at purchases... it's tricky. Anyone think of anything we/they need that they couldn't afford?
I think even with some form of RP discount getting everyone a continual flame is going to be a bit frivolous at this stage, maybe I save it until next time?
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Brezik, Vivian would be honored by the silken armor and loves the red wine hue, but will likely only wear it under her armor. I plan on paying for the full-plate to be granted the Comfort ability, because let's face it once Viv gets in that stuff she'll NEVER take it off.. and I don't want to play the rest of the game permanently fatigued.. so it'll be a 8,000gp suit of Fortified Comfortable Full Plate (1500 + 5000+ 500)
Alas for today, before we ship off Vivian will only spend on the following:
MW spell on Greatsword -300
Nightdrops - 250
Totaling 550gp
She has her sights set on the future and will be saving for that (Full plate, pimpin out the great sword, the Keep of the Flame). Though, if anyone needs financial help she'll definitely aid in getting everyone fully geared.
Gad's Purchases: (Baring GM approvals)
*300 gp to turn his 9-ring sword into a Master-Work weapon w/Vivian.
*400 gp for a 'Tree' Feather Token
*450 gp for a 'Swanboat' Feather Token
*50 gp for a 'Anchor' Feather Token
*100 gp for 2 Potions of 'Protection from Evil' (50 each)
*100gp for Holy Water (25 each x4)1400gp total spent.
OK with Vivian's advice in mind, I am going to swap out 1 potion of Protection from Evil and get 1 Oil of Bless Weapon.
*300 gp to turn his 9-ring sword into a Master-Work weapon w/Vivian.
*400 gp for a 'Tree' Feather Token
*450 gp for a 'Swanboat' Feather Token
*50 gp for a 'Anchor' Feather Token
*50 gp for a Potion of 'Protection from Evil'
*50 gp for an Oil of 'Bless Weapon'
*100gp for Holy Water (25 each x4)
1400gp total spent.
Bel is finally ready to go shopping!
Buying:
Scrivener's Kit (2gc)
Journal (10gc)
Healers Kit (50gc)
1 Casting of Continuous Flame (110gc)
2x Antiplague (100gc)
2x Antitoxin (100gc)
Traveler's Any Tool (500gc)
Wrist Sheath (1gc)
Selling:
Scale Maile (-25gc)
Total Cost: 498gc
I'm open to critiques
Bel is finally ready to go shopping!
Buying:
Scrivener's Kit (2gc)
Journal (10gc)
Healers Kit (50gc)
1 Casting of Continually Flame (110gc)
2x Antiplague (100gc)
2x Antitoxin (100gc)
Traveler's Any Tool (500gc)
Wrist Sheath (1gc)Selling:
Scale Maile (-25gc)Total Cost: 498gc
I'm open to critiques
2 points of order...
1)I would spring the extra 90 gold to have the continual flame cast by a cleric. That way it's a 3rd level spell and will trump darkness, a 2nd level spell, and will negate deeper darkness, allowing prevailing light conditions to prevail, in areas of overlap.
2) The traveler's any tool only costs 250gp
Doi! I completely missed that CF can even be cast by clerics! Viv can cast LVL3 Spells right?
@Viv, I don't need MW on my scythe, it came that way. Could you shout me a lvl3 spell slot in the days of prep?
I had the T-A-T as 250 in my calculations, just mistyped.
Bel will heal everyone to full HP while we prep.
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Doi! I completely missed that CF can even be cast by clerics! Viv can cast LVL3 Spells right?
@Viv, I don't need MW on my scythe, it came that way. Could you shout me a lvl3 spell slot in the days of prep?
Absolutely! I'll just replace the MW slot I was going to use for you with Continual Flame. I'll need two days down before we head out. I could do MW'n enroute but it'd be at the cost of dealing with whatever pops up without 3rd lvl slots.
MW transformation is Lvl 2 isn't it? I can help with the masterworks so add my second level slots to your calculations.
Saves me 60gc and gets me the upgraded version of continual flame. Ta.
For group funds...
I think we should buy at least 1 scroll of Death Ward (700gp).
We know that where we are going will most likely have some sort of Undead, right?
I have a new suggestion...basically I have been thinking about Qina's sacrifice for the group money, and the 'meta' game a little here.
(GM feel free to smack me down here for meta-game thinking, but I like playing with this group and I would hate for us to all die because we were just a 'little' too greedy.)
These modules are almost always made for 4 players. That means the module only doles out money/treasure measured for ~4 PCs really. Now, the fact that we have 6 players compensates a bit, but the treasure get's divided more thinly and therefore upgrades are slower in the end. Brezik's ability to enchant armor helps, and Qina's sacrifice for the greater good does as well sort of...
Thinking about this has made me wonder in the end...are we truly balanced for the game ahead, or are we hurting ourselves by not upgrading ENOUGH.
My suggestion is this: Drop the idea of a scroll for Death Ward.
Let's pool the remainder of our resources here (voluntary only) and actually buy the "Deathless" ability for one of our people's armor (Probably Allister's Armor)?
It's only a +1 ability bonus, and the total cost I think (with Brezik's aid) is 2000gp? (Normally 4000gp? for +2 armor?)
The group funds are at 1700+gp so we only need another 300 gp to do it.
I have 300 gp left and I am more than willing to donate the cash to do this. However, these are the group's funds and will deplete them heavily to do this. We need consensus, and in case anybody wants to add to the funds to help pay for this procedure.
NOTE: It will also take more time to enchant the armor...
In the end, with where we are going, I really think it would be worth-while for the group in general.
What do you all think? GM feel free to speak up here too...Am I over thinking this?
Brezik is no help in reducing the cost of Deathless because it requires 7th level and Brezik is only 5th...
With 6 characters instead of the traditional 4, action economy alone gives us a leg up. Running around with a Cleric, a Warpriest, and a Paladin means we have way above average healing available. I personally don't think Deathless is really worth it.
Qina will spend 50 gold pieces on retraining light into mage armor and 30 gold pieces on small thieves tools.
OK I see I WAS over-thinking it...and under-thinking it according to Brezik.
You are right Qina...never mind.
Although, I would still at least advocate for a single scroll of Death Ward, or maybe just a high level Restoration (not Lesser) spell of some sort?
Doh, that should be mage hand, not mage armor.
Think about it as much as you want. You also have to realize that these modules don't assume full treasure retrieval and moderately (or even minimally) optimized characters, which you guys are at least an order of magnitude above.
I think I'm with Qina. I think a scroll of restoration would be wise though, it's a couple of levels until even Viv gets access.
I would say Restoration over Death Ward as Death Ward we could only use in preperation for unknowns, and then only covers one person. Whereas restoration will cover us as a reaction and has a variety of uses. That make any sense?
Having said that, you are all more experienced with Pathfinder, speak up!
A standard 4th level scroll of Restoration is 800gp.
(700 + 100 gp material component)
However...if we want the spell to actually be able to remove a permanent negative level then it will cost 1700gp.
(700 + 1000gp material component).
What do we want to do here? I suggest the 800gp version only.
1700gp would clear out our group funds almost completely.
If there are no offical objections from anybody then I will buy the 800gp scroll of Restoration(4th level). Please speak now or hold your peace.
If this measure passes basic consensus...then I think the group has come close to finishing our spending?
GM? Are you ready to move us along soon?
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Or do you need more time?