Had a hallway full of Invisible Stalkers struck by a Prismatic Spray from a scroll by a PC caster under effects of a True Seeing. Two of the creatures where turned to stone. I see no immunities for the stalkers against petrification, so they turn to stone. But the question came up about what a PC not under a True Seeing would see. Would the stalker now be a visible stone figure? What would it look like? Would the Natural Invisibility ability make them two Invisible stone shapes?
Technically being turned to stone alone does not mean you are dead (until enough damage is done to the stone to make it impossible for a Stone to Flesh to bring the affected back and survive, according to other posts here in the rules forum and this is the inturp we use in our game). So if they are not dead, does the Natural Invisibility still work?
I'm pretty sure they're made of some sort of fleshy matter
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I'm pretty sure they're made of some sort of fleshy matter
Hmm....that seems to directly contrast with the Bestiary entry, and the Elemental subtype
...invisible stalkers form negative opinions of these creatures of flesh and boneNot sure which has precedence, AP or Bestiary
Elemental Subtype: An elemental is a being composed entirely from one of the four classical elements: air, earth, fire, or water. An elemental has the following features.
Well, to be fair, the flesh of the invisible stalker in that adventure is described as a "fluffy, wispy mass" with a texture somewhat similar to cotton candy, so it's meat without being particularly meaty.
That adventure is also rad as hell.
The third course is meat pies made from invisible stalker, and you have to find and eat all the invisible stalker meat chunks hidden in the clear sauce of the pie before reaction with the air renders them visible and bitter-tasting.
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A stoned invisible stalker shifts to the earth element as o-read-ing is fundamental.
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So I couldn't find it in Mummy's Mask (albeit at a brief glance)
It's in
I'm pretty sure they're made of some sort of fleshy matter
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Well that Hell's Rebels adventure sure influenced my decision, not consciously, but I thought of Invisible Stalkers as being fleshy because of it and never questioned the idea a Stalker might be 100% elemental. Too late to take back now... Think I will go with Invisible Object Rules...
"Ethereal creature" is a description of a creature's planar location (e.g., on the Ethereal Plane, coterminous with the Material Plane) and is unrelated to the flavor of a creature's physical makeup. ^_^
Those descriptions are written from the perspective of the Material Plane, with the looseness that the CRB often contains. I trust Planar Adventures over it (though I don't remember if that book will have a glossary of terms or anything similar). For already-released books, Occult Adventures and the GameMastery Guide come to mind as more detailed sources. And if I wanted something that really nails it down, I'd look back to 3.0's Manual of the Planes or Rules Compendium.
Derail aside, there's nothing "ethereal" (mechanically speaking) about the invisible stalker, unless it's actually on the Ethereal Plane. Ethereal status has no impact on the situation in this thread. ^_^
How did ethereal come up? Invisible stalkers aren't ethereal AFAIK.
It seems to me that they would look like an extra-dimensional air elemental, so it would not have flesh.
Invisible Stalker
No true form can be detected, yet a sense of force and hulking malevolence is undeniable in this creature’s presence.
Invisible Stalker
CR 7
XP 3,200
N Medium outsider ( air, elemental, extraplanar)
Init +8; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +12
DEFENSE
AC 20, touch 14, flat-footed 16 (+4 Dex, +6 natural)
hp 80 (7d10+42)
Fort +13, Ref +11, Will +4
Defensive Abilities natural invisibility; Immune elemental traits
OFFENSE
Speed 30 ft., fly 30 (perfect)
Melee 2 slams +12 (2d6+4)
STATISTICS
Str 18, Dex 19, Con 22, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 11
Base Atk +7; CMB +11; CMD 25
Feats Combat Reflexes, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Weapon Focus (slam)
Skills Acrobatics +14, Bluff +10, Fly +22, Knowledge (planes) +12, Perception +12, Sense Motive +12, Stealth +14, Survival +12
Languages Auran, Common
SQ improved tracking
SPECIAL ABILITIES
Improved Tracking (Ex)
An invisible stalker takes no penalty to Survival checks when tracking and moving at any speed.
Natural Invisibility (Ex)
This ability is constant—an invisible stalker remains invisible at all times, even when attacking. As this ability is inherent, it is not subject to the invisibility purge spell. Against foes that cannot pinpoint it, the invisible stalker gains a +20 bonus on Stealth checks when moving, or +40 when standing still—these bonuses are not included in the statistics above.
Invisible stalkers aren't insubstantial. They're corporeal creatures, with physical bodies. They might just be made of solid air, but air is a substance, and they're definitely solid enough to beat you to death or get hacked apart with a sword.
Yes, I agree. But I don't think it would have flesh.
This link has a picture and description of an Invisible Stalker
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_stalker
Uses
They were sometimes summoned by mages to perform tasks.
Abilities
Stalkers had the innate ability to remain invisible even in combat. Stalkers attacked by using gusts of wind to pummel their opponent. Killing an invisible stalker anywhere other than its home plane dismissed the stalker back to its home.
Personality
Invisible stalkers were elemental beings from the Plane of Air. They were composed entirely of solidified air, but unlike a normal air elemental, they were not tempestuous beings. Their calm demeanor made them invisible to normal sight. This invisibility made the stalker a perfect creature for summoners that wished to perform clandestine missions.
The fact that they were so frequently summoned to the natural world made invisible stalkers hostile towards creatures on the Material Plane. Many invisible stalkers would obey their masters to the letter of their commands, and seek any way they could to subvert their magical shackles.
I was responding to the post above you, from bhampton, who was saying stalkers were insubstantial.
I agree, there’s a solid argument that they aren’t made of anything the game would consider “flesh”.
So I think this answers the OP's question. The stalkers wouldn't even be able to be petrified with Flesh to Stone from Prismatic Spray. But they *could* be petrified by something else (such as a Medusa's Petrifying Gaze). And, if they were petrified, their substantial make-up would change from air to stone, so they would be visible.
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They are still invisible because they are not stone, because they are not flesh which is all that is affected by the spell.
** spoiler omitted ** In practical matters: Flesh to Stone affects flesh... "An outsider is at least partially composed of the essence (but not necessarily the material) of some plane other than the Material Plane." Just because it is an outsider subtype does not mean it is 100% those things. So I would say this gives us a solid "maybe." Nothing in Air says they don't have flesh. BUT elemental says "An elemental is a being composed entirely from one of the four classical elements: air, earth, fire, or water." So it is ALL AIR. No Flesh. Maybe = certainly NOT. Flesh to Stone would not affect an Invisible Stalker. Sorry. RAW. Follow the chain.
They are still invisible because they are not stone, because they are not flesh which is all that is affected by the spell.
This is probably the MOST correct answer, but it never came to my mind when the prismatic spray was used because I recalled the Petrified Invisible Stalker in Hell's Rebels. So, now that I LET it happen I am stuck with dealing with it. Going with Invisible Object for now.
To your point, however, I agree. It was a mistake to allow the Stalker to be affected by a "flesh to stone" effect. In fairness to the player, however, using that scroll was a major expenditure of a resource and I don't really feel all that bad bad letting it have the full effect.
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This is probably the MOST correct answer, but it never came to my mind when the prismatic spray was used because I recalled the Petrified Invisible Stalker in Hell's Rebels. So, now that I LET it happen I am stuck with dealing with it. Going with Invisible Object for now.
To your point, however, I agree. It was a mistake to allow the Stalker to be affected by a "flesh to stone" effect. In fairness to the player, however, using that scroll was a major expenditure of a resource and I don't really feel all that bad bad letting it have the full effect.
Yeh, all said, the Medusa Gaze would still affect them. A garden full of invisible statues of summoned Stalkers... and when you kill the medusa all her magic fades... musuauahahahaaa... oh wait, now I am writing as if I never read the rules... lol.