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Can you give any info on this. There's a few different starter settlements, and MANY players in the game.
EDIT: Also, posting under an "Anon" account makes it hard to give credibility. Unless your a member of the group itself and just disagree with the fact. If this is the case, Feel free to PM me on your actual account (or PM Cheatle if you'd feel safer doing that) and I'm sure a small "task force" could be put together to deal with it. And all without your name being leaked.
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You can also PM me as leader of the Emerald Lodge if you want someone not associated with the large groups.
Driving off new players when they want to dip their toes into the game is not good. I know about enough players who really are waiting to have someone meaningful to target.
Maybe this gives some (hopefully only short term) content for them.
edit: place and likely gaming time would be useful
Who or what is Sensuo? Character name or company name?
SENSOU is a PvP company operating around the marchmont area with a known proclivity for ganking GolGothans.
Since when are expendables given to players in packs? Is a tutorial pack one you could get through backing the game?
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You have the $15 new player pack. I know of at least one player who got attacked just while unpacking it.
There is also a $10 class pack that gives you some starting equipment like +1 armour and weapons. I regard this as a good start for someone not involved in a settlement (yet). It is of much less value once you get involved in a settlement as a settlement should provide you with such gear or even better one.
You have to unpack it at the bank if you want to avoid being encumbered.
Edit: 1 new player pack per account was part of the $100 Kickstarter rewards. You can buy additional ones. The class pack is bought in addition.
And those give expendable spells/maneuvers?
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And those give expendable spells/maneuvers?
They give you arrows and charges for mages and bags of holding tokens which also seem to indicate they will be expendables.
Not sure I use the right nomenclature here or if there is another word for this kind of items that are 'charges' but not implemented yet.
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Who or what is Sensuo? Character name or company name?SENSOU is a PvP company operating around the marchmont area with a known proclivity for ganking GolGothans.
They haven't actually ganked any Golgothans. Golgotha responded to a distress call from new players, and every time we show up they run away or die. The poor saps these guys are ganking are most likely new players or AFKers.
SENSOU ganked several ranked Golgothans at the bank last night in Marchmont, and then chased the Golgothans around town for about 10 minutes after they removed their armor upon respawn. When more Golgothans showed up SENSOU departed.
I knew everybody involved by name, so no, they were not new players.
SENSOU ganked several ranked Golgothans at the bank last night in Marchmont, and then chased the Golgothans around town for about 10 minutes after they removed their armor upon respawn. When more Golgothans showed up SENSOU departed.
I knew everybody involved by name, so no, they were not new players.
Who's in SENSOU? Ingame player names pls
Chidar, Atome, etc.
Right
I know, I didn't believe it was happening either until I sat at the bank watching a game of fox and hounds for ten minutes. I guess Golgotha has made some new friends.
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I didn't think you could identify a players settlement from their name, and I know you can't scroll through the names in a company, so how would ganking be able to target a specific settlement? Especially if they are new to the game and can't necessarily associate forum names with character names?
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SENSOU ganked several ranked Golgothans at the bank last night in Marchmont, and then chased the Golgothans around town for about 10 minutes after they removed their armor upon respawn. When more Golgothans showed up SENSOU departed.
I knew everybody involved by name, so no, they were not new players.
Appreciate your outside view on this Doc but referring to "ranked Golgothans being chased after removing armor" isn't a full disclosure of what took place.
3-4 members of Sensuo actually killed a Golgothan player who was AFK, the ranked Golgothan you refer to was waiting for the killed player to bring resources on another character to transport from Marchmont to Golgotha. Rather than simply flee, the ranked Golgothan ran them round while 3 members rallied to their aid.
After grouping at the bank (and by grouping I mean actually trying to form a group despite the horrible need to type entire names properly then waiting to see if the command had been processed) we sort to seek out the attackers who where last seen huddling round the New Player spawn area. However they where not to be seen. We assumed they had fled from our now evenly matched numbers but like you say they may have just left.
Shortly after the "naked" Golgothans (all who had banked gear to help carry resources) continued helping with the resource move.
Again, appreciate your view but try to keep to the facts. ;)
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You *can* scroll through the player names in a company, you just have to know how: - If you drag the scroll bar in the Leadership names down, you can then put your cursor where the scroll bar in the player names should be, you can drag it down.
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You *can* scroll through the player names in a company, you just have to know how: - If you drag the scroll bar in the Leadership names down, you can then put your cursor where the scroll bar in the player names should be, you can drag it down.
Not sure I 100% understand it but will try from home and my huge thanks if I figure out how.
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Since when are expendables given to players in packs? Is a tutorial pack one you could get through backing the game?
Quests:
- The quest-giving NPCs near the trainers for Cleric, Fighter, Rogue, and Wizard now provide you with a series of short errands to other related trainers and when you complete those errands the NPC will give you an item like a New Player Pack/Class Pack (but with less powerful items) that gives you basic armor and weapons for the associated Role. This ensures that every character can get correctly equipped from the start of their adventures without relying on random loot drops for necessary Gear.
These new Tutorial Packs include a random Level 1 Expendable. Each Character can get a Tutorial Pack for all 4 Roles.
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Since when are expendables given to players in packs? Is a tutorial pack one you could get through backing the game?These new Tutorial Packs include a random Level 1 Expendable. Each Character can get a Tutorial Pack for all 4 Roles.Quests:
- The quest-giving NPCs near the trainers for Cleric, Fighter, Rogue, and Wizard now provide you with a series of short errands to other related trainers and when you complete those errands the NPC will give you an item like a New Player Pack/Class Pack (but with less powerful items) that gives you basic armor and weapons for the associated Role. This ensures that every character can get correctly equipped from the start of their adventures without relying on random loot drops for necessary Gear.
Being slightly impatient about seeing these quests ...
Do the quests require the character to spend xp related to that role to get the Tutorial Packs? Or is it just "go do X and here's your reward when finished"? Also, what else is in the packs?
These new Tutorial Packs include a random Level 1 Expendable. Each Character can get a Tutorial Pack for all 4 Roles.
Ahhhhhhhh. So that answers the riddle of the deleted posts. TY
Again, appreciate your view but try to keep to the facts. ;)
It was all a blur of little people and big people running around town with loud noises and things being flung at each other. I think I missed some critical details while giggling in the corner of the bank.
Atome, Chidar, Emota, Gormana, Nisrok, Orley, Rothy, and Wuchy, from the settlement listing in the game. Probably more than a couple DTs in there (Emota = Atome?).
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.
Now, I assume we'll be required to also use Help Chat for communicating about this. I mean, Help chat is for helping, right?
While I'm a fan of most shenanigans, this seems exploitative and at the expense of new players. Donkey or myself should be close enough to some of the NW-ish starters to help if need be. Give a shout.
Also - It seems the thread has almost switched to lay the blame (of the mentioned plan) on a particular group after only the mention of their name. I don't see any actual evidence to point in any particular direction yet (unless I am not privy to certain details). Just wanted to point that out going forward here.
Edit - I don't believe this is some sort of banworthy griefing or anything. Open sandbox and GW knows about this particular issue. However, as a player I can get behind some in-game consequences for behavior like this.
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This is upsetting me quite a bit, and I want to vent.
I consider GW behavior over the last week to be unacceptable. Why?
1. Officially, GW has a stated policy of "No Griefing".
2. However, as of today's patch, the best camping spot in the game is new player quest mobs. Watch new players come over, get their random expendable, then gank said player for a 75% chance of an Expendable drop, which is FAR higher than the usual 1 in a 1000 chance from killing PvE mobs. This will, of course, leave new players to the game with a VERY BAD initial experience; AND rewarding this sort of behavior by griefers is a direct contravention of GW's own policy.
3. In addition, the expendable hand out is given, not per account, but per new player; anyone with half a brain will see how that is also exploitable. This particular exploit I consider to be much less detrimental to the long term health of the game than number 2.
3. These particular idiocy(s) were posted on the bug boards for the test server. Instead of fixing the problem(s) and delaying the patch, GW has instead chosen to delete threads and attempt to cover up the issue. WTF are you thinking? Are you trying to copy other MMO's failures? I still remember UO, and how they pushed forward buggy patches, and reading about all the bugs on third party sites like Dr Twister. Why in the name of all that's holy would you not delay a patch with obvious exploits until the exploits were fixed? Do you not see how your game's reputation can be irreparably harmed by such blatant stupidity?
If GW is going to claim their game is "crowdforged" then they had damn well better listed to the "crowd" and fix the exploitable bugs the "crowd" finds before they push this poorly thought out programming onto the live server.
And then come up with an internal policy stating that patches will not be pushed to the live server EVER when there are known exploits being added to the game with said patch.
OOOOOO! Unless it's just a clever ruse, pulling us way out to starter settlements and distracting us all from a massive land grab back home.
Well played, AnonCarebear. Well played indeed.
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I'm still curious, what activity is really being brought into question here?
It has often been said that companies could and would mark off territory as NBSI, even if the mechanics do not allow for territorial control outside of the tower hexes.
Only Thorn Keep has stars in its outer hexes to indicate future ThornGuard protection extending one hex outside of the cities physical local.
For the record, I have had no contact with this group, but their play style seems to me to be within not only the rules, but within what the more PVP focused groups (including ourselves and Golgotha) have said previously.
That being said, if Golgotha has marked this group as an enemy or vice verse, then Aragon will support out Northern Coalition partner and lend assistance in driving this scourge from the vicinity of our lands.
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I'm still curious, what activity is really being brought into question here?
It has often been said that companies could and would mark off territory as NBSI, even if the mechanics do not allow for territorial control outside of the tower hexes.
Only Thorn Keep has stars in its outer hexes to indicate future ThornGuard protection extending one hex outside of the cities physical local.
For the record, I have had no contact with this group, but their play style seems to me to be within not only the rules, but within what the more PVP focused groups (including ourselves and Golgotha) have said previously.
That being said, if Golgotha has marked this group as an enemy or vice verse, then Aragon will support out Northern Coalition partner and lend assistance in driving this scourge from the vicinity of our lands.
The behavior in question is interrupting the tutorial. There's less PvP involved than in attacking an AFK character at the bank, because there's a chance that player will come back before you kill the character, and there's no chance that a new player not finished with the tutorial will understand how to fight back meaningfully.
That being said, if Golgotha has marked this group as an enemy or vice verse, then Aragon will support out Northern Coalition partner and lend assistance in driving this scourge from the vicinity of our lands.
I'm ignorant on a bunch of things, so please bear with me - need more coffee! Does Aragon function as an oligarchic council of companies? Or is it more of a top down kind of thing?
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Being slightly impatient about seeing these quests ...
They'll be live in 2 hours or so. :)
Do the quests require the character to spend xp related to that role to get the Tutorial Packs? Or is it just "go do X and here's your reward when finished"? Also, what else is in the packs?
I've only done one on the Test Server. It's equivalent to the Tutorial Quest to get a Wand; you talk to the quest-giver, talk to the Wizard Trainer, talk to the War Wizard Trainer, then return to the quest-giver.
It's worth noting that we'll no longer be able to get the free Focus, Wand, or Short Bow once these new Tutorial Quests go live.
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Not sure how much programming it would take but any way of making new characters invulnerable to attacks from other PCs for about an hour after they start? That would give time to get through the tutorials and figure out how to do combat with local PvE stuff and put stuff into the bank and ask questions on the help line.
That would be a great idea. Some kind of "New Player Buff" and maybe even a "Fresh Respawn Buff" would be useful too to combat griefing.
Hopefully soon. There definitely needs to be some differentiation between (EVE analogy) Hi-Sec, and Low-sec, and Null-sec.
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I just want to chime in to ay that no messages were deleted for any purpose. We closed a thread as a housekeeping task, that thread had comments, once closed the comments are apparently no longer available. Nothing more. We don't consider the abilty to get 12 starter quest packs a day per account by sacrificing all XP earned by that account as an exploit. There is nothing in them that should break the economy even if thousands are harvested. I think Lee is going to change the implements to be lower-powered versions in EE3, and we are going to keep an eye on everything else and see if a problem develops.
I don't want people being attacked in NPC Settlements, and we are going to have to write some policies about that if it becomes a continuous problem.
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Okay I was avoiding this thread because I had already said my peace on the matter before. But since Ryan weighed in on it in this thread, I feel I need to clarify something.
I am not the OP that created this thread. I don't know for sure because I'm not him, but I would bet my account that the OP is not MBando either. I would also like to think that any member of Ozem's Vigil that would post this thread would have the courage to use their real account name.
I did not like it when an anonymous poster created a thread about Golgotha and I certainly don't like it here either.
To my feelings on the OP concerns I didn't really have the same. I didn't even really think of it. But thinking on it now, I feel that the community would police that and GW would be able to verify the griefing and resolve the matter pretty easy. Also I thought I read that some of the guards were being moved around this patch. So that might help alleviate continual abuse from said players.
My concerns on this matter was something entirely different.
I emailed Ryan back on these concerns and considered the matter dead for me. They know the numbers and they are able to make a better decision than I. All I can do is raise the concern, then they look at their stats and decide how big of a deal it is.
I will say that I am glad that Ryan did clarify the thread lock again. Communication is key in crowd forging in my opinion and it's nice to get further explanation on the matter (I did see Bonny's post too, which I appreciated as well.)
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Considering that my two characters combined have found exactly one expendable since EE began, the opportunity to pick up eight more by running the starter quests is awfully tempting. Maybe EE3 should also re-examine the drop frequency of expendables from monsters.