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Cool. Though, I'm not sure about anyone else, but literally nobody in my groups has any interest in playing with psionics. It seems to be a very polarizing thing.
I am interested!!!!!! I love psionics!
I myself and pretty neutral towards psionics. I've made one or two interesting characters back in v3.5, but for the most part I found other aspects of the game more interesting.
Some of my friends and fellow players are huge fans though, and I'm all for things that make the game more fun for my fellows.
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I tend to enjoy psionics if they fit the setting. About half the games I run have psionics because they make sense (Dark Sun, my home brew) while the rest don't.
That being said, Dream Scarred Press has done such a good job with their psionics, I'm not sure why Paizo would compete with that. It hands down is more balanced than the current magic system and is very well written, something I haven't seen in a Paizo sourcebook for a while now.
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Remember tho, like they say, its more like Penny Dreadful instead of Professor X. As during the panel, they said, that they don't want to overlap what dreamscarred press did and find it a great conversion of Psionics 3.5 to PFRPG, which i agree as well.
So this is more like "psychic", mediums in a way not "psionics" super heroics.
Ahhh, ok! I look forward to seeing it then!
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I have to admit, if it's just more vancian casting, I'm going to have a hard time getting excited for it.
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I'm glad we will have access to both the Dreamscarred Press version and the Paizo one. I wonder how long it will be before the cries of blot begin yet again.
I am pretty sure some people have been making those cries since the Advanced Player's Guide, so not sure how it is really relevant
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Before people get too excited, keep in mind that again, this isn't actually Psionics. The book will cover similar themes, but will be roughly vancian, and not use a power point system.
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I have to admit, if it's just more vancian casting, I'm going to have a hard time getting excited for it.
Seconded in a big way.
... introducing a suite of new psychic and occult magics to the game ...
Psionics must be usable by Evil AI Computers and Robots, because Psionics
is "mental magic". These types of game constructs are purely mental,because they can think but are not alive. To be balanced, some of them
should have 'spell casting' ability.
If this is excluded in the rules, I will avoid it with distaste.
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psychic magic is coming to pathfinder
Psionics was already done by Dreamscarred Press
I can't wait to find out more about this one, especially the name and basic theme/concepts of the 6 new classes.
I am more excited about this book then I have been for awhile.
I keep seeing articles talk about the Kineticist but I haven't seen a video(or anything) that has shown anyone from Paizo saying this class exists.
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I have to admit, if it's just more vancian casting, I'm going to have a hard time getting excited for it.Seconded in a big way.
Third-ed.
Well the Kineticist class is a non-spell casting class that focuses on manipulating psychic forces such as Telekinesis or Pyrokinesis, so think Carrie or Firestarter.
Anyway, since PAIZO accepted this last Psionic book as compatible with PF, did they ever used any of four basic psionic classes in their adventures or AP?
It's just all going to be 1/day abilities and 3/4 BAB with good Reflex saves and Trapfinding.
Wait.
It's just all going to be 1/day abilities and 3/4 BAB with good Reflex saves and Trapfinding.
Don't forget the damage boost that's nearly impossible to setup consistently without using your teammates as crutches.
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It's just all going to be 1/day abilities and 3/4 BAB with good Reflex saves and Trapfinding.Don't forget the damage boost that's nearly impossible to setup consistently without using your teammates as crutches.
Real teammates take AOOs and give up their full-attack to get a flank in so that your character can feel mildly relevant*.
*unless the mob is immune to precision damage, can't be flanked, in a corner, in slightly dark lighting, behind a piece of cloth, generates fort or will saves, is more than 30ft away, ect.
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How did I miss this till now?
This has been weirdly understated. I've seen a few references to it, but this is the first link to / direct statement I've seen. Thanks for finding it RD!
The spiritualist sounds intriguing. I wonder if it's going to be setting-neutral, or be saddled with the 'any soul that doesn't immediately self-deport to the nearest alternate dimension is Always Evil and / or crazy, because... Pharasma' business.
Kineticist might benefit from there being a bunch of built in options for 'telekinetic stunts' with the Combat Maneuver mechanic. Much of what a telekinetic does is ranged grapples, ranged disarms, ranged trips, ranged bull rushes / repositions, etc. along with the generic 'chuck stuff at people's heads' option. Using Deflect Arrows / Crane Wing style 'block one attack' options, in place of 'telekinetic force fields of fuzzy pink stuff' might be an interesting direction to go.
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I'm not very excited, at this point, from the sound of it its going to be 6 Vancian casters with psychic abilities that seem very low key. But hey maybe it will be good. Still sad that I wont be making light sabers with my mind.
Another problem, at least thematically is, that the style i.e occult can already be done by the current selection of spell casters with either re-fluffing or just straight up can do.
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The spiritualist sounds intriguing. I wonder if it's going to be setting-neutral, or be saddled with the 'any soul that doesn't immediately self-deport to the nearest alternate dimension is Always Evil and / or crazy, because... Pharasma' business.
Wait, what? Ghosts are pretty much the poster children for non-Evil undead in Golarion.
I used to like psionics as it was something new and different, plus I love the points system for magic as I feel it makes more sense than "Oh, I've cast all the spells I know for the day..."
Unfortunately I played with more than a few min-max, munchkin power-gamers in 3.X who utterly abused the psionic rules and really put a bitter taste in my mouth for them. I think Dreamscarred Press did a great job with them. I'm interested to see Paizo's take on it.
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The primary reason I want this over the DSP psionics is that I don't really feel like Psionics fit in. They seem very comic book super hero. I think more pulpy psychics that mesh well with the setting will be more my style.
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I'm not very excited, at this point, from the sound of it its going to be 6 Vancian casters with psychic abilities that seem very low key. But hey maybe it will be good. Still sad that I wont be making light sabers with my mind.
Another problem, at least thematically is, that the style i.e occult can already be done by the current selection of spell casters with either re-fluffing or just straight up can do.
Nope...for instance the Kineticist is stated to be a completely non-spellcaster, so it doesn't seem like it just a bunch of straight Vancian casters.
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This has been weirdly understated. I've seen a few references to it, but this is the first link to / direct statement I've seen. Thanks for finding it RD!
There are at least four threads that have been talking about this over the last week.
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Third-ed.I have to admit, if it's just more vancian casting, I'm going to have a hard time getting excited for it.Seconded in a big way.
I'm not sure there's an appropriate verb left at this point, but I agree.
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This has been weirdly understated. I've seen a few references to it, but this is the first link to / direct statement I've seen. Thanks for finding it RD!There are at least four threads that have been talking about this over the last week.
I should rephrase. I've apparently been reading the wrong threads, and / or missed a bunch of stuff. All I'd seen were offhanded mentions of Occult Adventures and psychic magic, not anything in-depth.
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I would love the kineticist getting options like a telekinetic featherfall ability, textile telekinesis(use Int mod instead of str mod), telekinetic flight(hey a non-spell caster that can fly), the ability to walk on walls and ceilings, etc. Also for the Textile Telekinesis it would be a per level mechanic used in increments of ether 1 round or 1 minute. Since you are using int(or highest mental score) for your strength score.
I wonder if the Spiritualist's ectoplasmic manifested spirit is a summon mechanic or something more akin to an eidolon or animal companion-like mechanic. I hope one of these classes gets a familiar or animal companion like mechanic though.
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Anyway, since PAIZO accepted this last Psionic book as compatible with PF, did they ever used any of four basic psionic classes in their adventures or AP?
Not sure what you mean by this. To the best of my knowledge, Paizo hasn't officially accepted the Deamscarred Psionic book as official content. The fact that it has Pathfinder Compatible on the cover just means that Dreamscarred published the book under the appropriate license. There are many many Third Party books that are Pathfinder Compatible - they are still not considered official content by Paizo
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Anyway, since PAIZO accepted this last Psionic book as compatible with PF, did they ever used any of four basic psionic classes in their adventures or AP?Not sure what you mean by this. To the best of my knowledge, Paizo hasn't officially accepted the Deamscarred Psionic book as official content. The fact that it has Pathfinder Compatible on the cover just means that Dreamscarred published the book under the appropriate license. There are many many Third Party books that are Pathfinder Compatible - they are still not considered official content by Paizo
They did use DSP content for their Dragon's Demand AP.
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They did use DSP content for their Dragon's Demand AP.Anyway, since PAIZO accepted this last Psionic book as compatible with PF, did they ever used any of four basic psionic classes in their adventures or AP?Not sure what you mean by this. To the best of my knowledge, Paizo hasn't officially accepted the Deamscarred Psionic book as official content. The fact that it has Pathfinder Compatible on the cover just means that Dreamscarred published the book under the appropriate license. There are many many Third Party books that are Pathfinder Compatible - they are still not considered official content by Paizo
Oh! I did not know that. I'll have to look into that AP.
Oh! I did not know that. I'll have to look into that AP.They did use DSP content for their Dragon's Demand AP.Anyway, since PAIZO accepted this last Psionic book as compatible with PF, did they ever used any of four basic psionic classes in their adventures or AP?Not sure what you mean by this. To the best of my knowledge, Paizo hasn't officially accepted the Deamscarred Psionic book as official content. The fact that it has Pathfinder Compatible on the cover just means that Dreamscarred published the book under the appropriate license. There are many many Third Party books that are Pathfinder Compatible - they are still not considered official content by Paizo
Not quite. It was a module, and IIRC, they only used one or two psionic powers that got turned into a spell-like ability for a creature. It's not quite what people think when they hear "Paizo used dreamscarred press psionics!". It's technically true, but there's no use of the player classes, the power point system, or even anything that players can use, as far as I remember.
Also, keep in mind that these new classes won't be using Power Points. Paizo said that if you're a fan of the 3.5 style psionics, there's dreamscarred press, since this won't be like that system.
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Oh! I did not know that. I'll have to look into that AP.They did use DSP content for their Dragon's Demand AP.Anyway, since PAIZO accepted this last Psionic book as compatible with PF, did they ever used any of four basic psionic classes in their adventures or AP?Not sure what you mean by this. To the best of my knowledge, Paizo hasn't officially accepted the Deamscarred Psionic book as official content. The fact that it has Pathfinder Compatible on the cover just means that Dreamscarred published the book under the appropriate license. There are many many Third Party books that are Pathfinder Compatible - they are still not considered official content by Paizo
Pedantic Note: The Dragon's Demand is not an AP, but a module.
EDIT: Ninja'd! Darn.
My bad re: AP vs. module.
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My bad re: AP vs. module.
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I have to admit, if it's just more vancian casting, I'm going to have a hard time getting excited for it.
Well, what do you mean by "Vancian"? Spontaneous spellcasters arent Vancian. Nor are the Hex of Witches, nor cantrips, nor Wordcasters, nor Ki powers. Plenty of non-Vancian now.
The Warlock was non-Vancian also, as was BoNS, and to a large extent 4th edition (well, except for Daily abilities).
I doubt if all six new classes will use the true Vancian system (mostly) by Wizards .
If what you want is a points system, that's different than saying "non-Vancian".
I really hate spell points or any power point system. Every one I have seen is subject to abuse, especially Nova-ing. Nova-ing spellcasters and "one encounter day" are a major part of what some find as a "caster/martial disparity".
I dont get why everyone thinks that Psionics Must be Power points, rather than some other system.
if it's power points you want, then why do say you want Psionics? Psionics are a particular form of supernatural ability coming from mental force. You can have Psionics without PP, and PP without Psionics. 4th Ed had Psionics without PP (altho there was a sorta pt system involved).