littlediegito Customer Service Representative |
Aberzombie |
Aberzombie wrote:I'm not *yet* sold on the Ezra = Snoke theory, as much as I am the Ezra + Sabine = Rei's Parents fanboy wish.
I'm not sure why or when I started to think of Ezra as Snoke. It's probably not true, but you never know. Disney has already started bringing characters from their animated series into the movies.....
While it's true that they have begun occasionally adding smaller characters from a book, or Rebels or whatever, I can all be guarantee they would never do something like make Ezra and Sabine (characters from Rebels I assume) Rey's parents. There's simply too big of a downside to that and not nearly enough upside.
It's important to remember that, although there are clearly fans of the "side" (for lack of a better term) official media (books, animated stuff), those fans are only a small percentage of the much wider Star Wars fan base. Doing something like intertwining a main character from the movies with a character form a book or animated show would certainly make some people within that small sub-set of Star Wars fans happy perhaps, but it would also most certainly confuse and alienate a HUGE number of fans that only watch the movies.
More than just fans even - think about all the millions of people who aren't really even Star Wars fans but just go to the movies for fun. Important reveals and connections like that really need to come from the story the movies alone are telling.
For the record, I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but I'm not interested in (nor have seen or read) any of these books or animated shows. As a huge fan, I think I would be pretty ticked off if they did something like revealing a major plot point but it meant nothing to me because I don't read the books or watch an animated show.
Just my opinion of course!
You're quote-fu is weak. The second line was mine. The first line was someone else's.
Aberzombie |
Perhaps she too is a convergence of the Force?
My thinking on Rey is beginning to move along the lines that she might be a clone of some other powerful force user, perhaps made by, then lost by the First Order. It was hinted at in Force Awakens that perhaps they have access to cloning tech. And, apparently, in the novelization of the Force Awakens Kylo Ren apparently recognizes Rey at one point with an exclamation somewhere along the lines of "It's you!" (something to take with a salt-mine level of grains, mayhap).
archmagi1 |
Tarkin giving permission for whats-her-face to bring in Thrawn's fleet was pretty cool. Though I'm a bit confused as to whether this is before he's a Grand Moff, or still just Moff Tarkin. Either way, he seems pretty comfy in his position, and I think they managed to get a bit of Cushing's gravitas through in that scene.
An aside:
GM Niles |
@Archmagi1 I thought he was made Grand Moff after the Tarkin book.
If only we had a resident Imperial historian and knowledgebase around here...
re:Spoiler Yeah, I thought the Bendu was cool, and I too enjoy a more diverse cast of Force wielding characters. It's almost like the Force is a philosophy or something.
Werthead |
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Tarkin first appeared in THE CLONE WARS TV series as a Captain in Season 3. He was promoted to Admiral at the end of the series (during Ahsoka's trial). According to the novel TARKIN he was then promoted to Moff about five years after REVENGE OF THE SITH. He was promoted to Grand Moff by eight years after REVENGE OF THE SITH. That would have made him Grand Moff long before the events of REBELS.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wilhuff_Tarkin#Early_days
littlediegito Customer Service Representative |
baron arem heshvaun |
I concur.
In fact he is the FIRST Grand Moff, making him even senior to others who would later hold that title, as well as the later created ranks of Grand Admirals or Grand Surface Marshals/Generals.
A repost from the Rogue One thread.
In current Canon as well as Star Wars Legends timeline, he is most definitely a Grand Moff long BEFORE the Death Star was completed, and should already be Grand Moff of Oversector Outer (and has been for years) and The Death Star Project during the events of Star Wars Rebels.
The one Wookiee hydrospanner that throws this off is the brief scene in Revenge of the Sith where we see Grand Moff Tarkin, with The Emperor and Darth Vader inspecting a still incomplete Death Star.
The easiest way to recton this is to simply assume that scene does not take place immediately after the movie but rather many years after.
I think The Death Star itself has more continuity and timeline problems than Grand Moff Tarkin. In fact, Grand Moff Tarkin (being so tied and integral to the Battle Station's history) helps pin down some key aspects of The Death Star's timeline.
jemstone |
Baron: regarding that spoiler...
But then, time has always been a little fluid in the SW universe...
Aberzombie |
Hmmmmm.....
I also loved the way they used the magnetized section of cargo bay against his legs.
I'm intrigued by who Maul might have meant when saying "He's alive." I did not watch the Clone Wars, but I understand in that series Maul continued his beef with Obi Wan. I'm guessing that's who he meant. Maybe we'll be seeing him, and hearing Ewan McGregor?
Belabras |
I think it's more likely Obi Wan. Maul never interacted with Yoda, even in Clone Wars (which y'all should watch. Skip the first season maybe, but otherwise it is very, very good.)
One odd thing - does Hera not have her own room on the Ghost? That would make sense if she is bunking with Kanan, but based on how little personal effects are in Kanan's room that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe he is bunking with her and just keeps the room the Holocron was in for meditation?
Kalshane |
Yeah, I'd be shocked if "He's alive" referred to anyone but Obi-Wan.
I'm thinking Ezra's "How do we destroy the Sith?" question took precedence and they got treated to a vision of Luke's journey to face Vader and Palpatine, but too disjointed for him to really make out details. Maul probably saw Obi-Wan among the images.
Mike J |
Yeah, I'd be shocked if "He's alive" referred to anyone but Obi-Wan.
I'm thinking Ezra's "How do we destroy the Sith?" question took precedence and they got treated to a vision of Luke's journey to face Vader and Palpatine, but too disjointed for him to really make out details. Maul probably saw Obi-Wan among the images.
I agree that "He's alive" refers to Obi-Wan. I could be wrong, but I got the impression that both Ezra and Maul got the same or similar vision - one of Tattoine, which would be the place where both their questions are answered.
Freehold DM |
Freehold DM wrote:True, but doesn't Hobbie get killed in the attack on the first Death Star? Or am I going (more) senile?Aberzombie wrote:Wedge AND Hobbie. You know how important they are.I enjoyed the most recent episode, but.....
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incredibly. Hobbie is a hero of the attack on Hoth.
Aberzombie |
Aberzombie wrote:incredibly. Hobbie is a hero of the attack on Hoth.Freehold DM wrote:True, but doesn't Hobbie get killed in the attack on the first Death Star? Or am I going (more) senile?Aberzombie wrote:Wedge AND Hobbie. You know how important they are.I enjoyed the most recent episode, but.....
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Ah yes. I recall now. Right after Luke gets shot down, he calls out "Hobbie, I've been hit."
GreyWolfLord |
No, he's at the battle of Hoth in Empire Strikes Back. The old EU had him surviving and eventually retiring, but in the movies he survives at least through Hoth.
I thought in the movies he died at Hoth.
Or at least, in the novelization I think he is wounded and then crashes his snowspeeder into an AT-AT taking it and General Veers out.
I think Veers may have survived that, but crippled for life. I would have thought that killed Hobbs.
The EU though may have had it handled differently.
Freehold DM |
littlediegito wrote:No, he's at the battle of Hoth in Empire Strikes Back. The old EU had him surviving and eventually retiring, but in the movies he survives at least through Hoth.I thought in the movies he died at Hoth.
Or at least, in the novelization I think he is wounded and then crashes his snowspeeder into an AT-AT taking it and General Veers out.
I think Veers may have survived that, but crippled for life. I would have thought that killed Hobbs.
The EU though may have had it handled differently.
nobody goes by the novelization, man.
littlediegito |
littlediegito wrote:No, he's at the battle of Hoth in Empire Strikes Back. The old EU had him surviving and eventually retiring, but in the movies he survives at least through Hoth.I thought in the movies he died at Hoth.
Or at least, in the novelization I think he is wounded and then crashes his snowspeeder into an AT-AT taking it and General Veers out.
I think Veers may have survived that, but crippled for life. I would have thought that killed Hobbs.
The EU though may have had it handled differently.
Hmm, it could be he died at Hoth. I was under the impression the canon was he ejected from the speeder before it crashed into a walker (though I don't recall why I thought that so it could be something from the EU and not the canon).
GreyWolfLord |
The official novel has the following
Although the smoke rising from his crippled speeder obstructed his view, Hobbie could still see some of the carnage that raged on the ground. His wounds from a walker's laser fire made it torture even to move, let alone operate the controls of his craft. But if he could manage to work them just long enough to return to the base, he might be able to find a medical robot and...No, he doubted he would survive even that long. He was dying-of that he was now certain-and the men in the trench would soon be dead, too, unless something were done to save them.
.....
Confounded, General Veers moved away from the eyepiece of the electrorangefinder and turned instinctively toward a cockpit window. He flinched in terror at seeing a smoking projectile heading on a direct course towards his walker's cockpit.
The other pilots also saw the hurling speeder, and knew that there was no time to turn the massive assault machine. "He's going to-" one of the pilots began.
At that instant, Hobbie's burning ship crashed through the walker cockpit like a manned bomb, its fuel igniting into a cascade of flame and debris. For a second there were human screams, then fragments, and the entire machine crashed to the ground.
Empire Strikes Back by Donald F. Glut. Copyright 1980
In the EU that used to exist (now known as Legends) they had it that Hobbie had ejected and survived the crash.
That EU is now no longer Canon. I believe the official novel still IS canon though...sooooo....
The novel gives the appearance that he actually dies...who knows what the current EU take is on it now.
Imbicatus |
This is why I ignore the novel.
Suffice to say, the author changed scenes, added sexist dialogue, and got details wrong.
Freehold DM |
This is why I ignore the novel.
Suffice to say, the author changed scenes, added sexist dialogue, and got details wrong.
I don't know which is worse, the book or the article.
GreyWolfLord |
This is why I ignore the novel.
Suffice to say, the author changed scenes, added sexist dialogue, and got details wrong.
I don't know where he added scenes, supposedly he stuck pretty close to the script and only elaborated when there wasn't enough information. The specific scene talked about in that article between Han and Leia was actually filmed (and the words supposedly were in the script) but then heavily edited (by Lucas's now ex-wife...and now you know the secret of the Original Trilogy vs. the Prequel Trilogy...).
I skimmed it just now to make sure I wasn't forgetting the book, but on skimming I found it doesn't describe many colors at all, especially Yoda himself. The only relation to Yoda that I could find where it talks about regarding color is Yoda's lips which it DOES state are blue. Otherwise, it just refers to him as a small wizened creature with large ears.
I did find out that the supposedly original comic had Yoda as blue, but when they saw the movie they had to go back and recolor him so he appeared as he did in the movie!
It doesn't really describe Vader's lightsaber. I couldn't find anything that referred to it's color on a quick skim, but it did refer to it as a Laser Sword.