Poll: What Is Your Alignment?


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I chose lawful good, because that's what I want to be.

Let's see how I stack up!

Quote:

You Are A:

Neutral Good Human Cleric (5th Level)

the stuff that doesn't matter:

Ability Scores:
Strength- 9
Dexterity- 14
Constitution- 10
Intelligence- 15
Wisdom- 12
Charisma- 13

Alignment:
Neutral Good- A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them. Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias for or against order. However, neutral good can be a dangerous alignment when it advances mediocrity by limiting the actions of the truly capable.

Race:
Humans are the most adaptable of the common races. Short generations and a penchant for migration and conquest have made them physically diverse as well. Humans are often unorthodox in their dress, sporting unusual hairstyles, fanciful clothes, tattoos, and the like.

Class:
Clerics- Clerics act as intermediaries between the earthly and the divine (or infernal) worlds. A good cleric helps those in need, while an evil cleric seeks to spread his patron's vision of evil across the world. All clerics can heal wounds and bring people back from the brink of death, and powerful clerics can even raise the dead. Likewise, all clerics have authority over undead creatures, and they can turn away or even destroy these creatures. Clerics are trained in the use of simple weapons, and can use all forms of armor and shields without penalty, since armor does not interfere with the casting of divine spells. In addition to his normal complement of spells, every cleric chooses to focus on two of his deity's domains. These domains grants the cleric special powers, and give him access to spells that he might otherwise never learn. A cleric's Wisdom score should be high, since this determines the maximum spell level that he can cast.

... well, I can see the cleric, at least. Kind of dubious about the rest of it.

Let's see how they came up with this:

Quote:


Detailed Results:

Alignment:
Lawful Good ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (28)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (28)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (21)
Lawful Neutral -- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (21)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (21)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (14)
Lawful Evil ----- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Chaotic Evil ---- XXX (3)

Law & Chaos:
Law ----- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Chaos --- XXX (3)

Good & Evil:
Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (18)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXX (11)
Evil ---- (0)

Race:
Human ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXX (13)
Dwarf ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Elf ------ XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Gnome ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Halfling - XXXXXXXX (8)
Half-Elf - XXXXXXXX (8)
Half-Orc - XX (2)

Class:
Barbarian - (-2)
Bard ------ XX (2)
Cleric ---- XXXXXXXX (8)
Druid ----- (0)
Fighter --- (-4)
Monk ------ (-17)
Paladin --- (-19)
Ranger ---- (-6)
Rogue ----- (-4)
Sorcerer -- (0)
Wizard ---- (0)

WHAT THE-?! Zero evil?! Zero wizard?!

Okay, either this test has no idea what it's saying, or I lied somewhere within it...

Also, I'm not sure how, exactly, they chose neutral good over lawful good, considering the equality in in choices; I suppose they just default to neutral? The very, very deep negatives of most every other class is... pretty funny, though, I've got to admit; I suppose I'm not much of an adventurer...? (Especially, I'd wager, since becoming a father - far less adventurous.


CG human wizard 2 / sorcerer 2

Str 11, Dex 14, Con 10, Int 16, Wis 12, Cha 10

According to the test, I'm a pretty good candidate for the "Worst PC Ever" thread.


Well, apparently I'm a:

Neutral Good Human Wizard (6th Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 13
Dexterity- 15
Constitution- 12
Intelligence- 15
Wisdom- 17
Charisma- 13

I feel the ability scores are fairly good and on target. I like the class. Though I always feel more "Neutral" than "Neutral Good". Though I'm only one point from Neutral. So I'm either Neutral Good with Neutral Tendencies.... But I'm probably more like Neutral with Good tendencies, really. Hey, I get to cast Fireball, Fly, Invisibility and Haste... that's all that really matters :)


David M Mallon wrote:

CG human wizard 2 / sorcerer 2

Str 11, Dex 14, Con 10, Int 16, Wis 12, Cha 10

According to the test, I'm a pretty good candidate for the "Worst PC Ever" thread.

You may be multiclassed, but at least you've got a decent caster stat for one of them. There have been several instances in thread where folks had 10 in their primary caster stat.


On the poll I picked True Neutral and on the linked test I got... True Neutral. So apprently I'm a pretty good judge of my own alignment.


I thought of myself more a Paladin or Wizard. Live and learn...

Quote:

You Are A:

Lawful Good Human Monk (6th Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 19
Dexterity- 16
Constitution- 18
Intelligence- 19
Wisdom- 17
Charisma- 14

Alignment:
Lawful Good- A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. He combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. He tells the truth, keeps his word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion. However, lawful good can be a dangerous alignment when it restricts freedom and criminalizes self-interest.

Race:
Humans are the most adaptable of the common races. Short generations and a penchant for migration and conquest have made them physically diverse as well. Humans are often unorthodox in their dress, sporting unusual hairstyles, fanciful clothes, tattoos, and the like.

Class:
Monks- Monks are versatile warriors skilled at fighting without weapons or armor. Good-aligned monks serve as protectors of the people, while evil monks make ideal spies and assassins. Though they don't cast spells, monks channel a subtle energy, called ki. This energy allows them to perform amazing feats, such as healing themselves, catching arrows in flight, and dodging blows with lightning speed. Their mundane and ki-based abilities grow with experience, granting them more power over themselves and their environment. Monks suffer unique penalties to their abilities if they wear armor, as doing so violates their rigid oath. A monk wearing armor loses their Wisdom and level based armor class bonuses, their movement speed, and their additional unarmed attacks per round.

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Detailed Results:

Alignment:
Lawful Good ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (33)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (24)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
Lawful Neutral -- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (29)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
Lawful Evil ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXX (7)
Chaotic Evil ---- XXX (3)

Law & Chaos:
Law ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
Neutral - XXXXXXX (7)
Chaos --- XXX (3)

Good & Evil:
Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (17)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXX (13)
Evil ---- (0)

Race:
Human ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXX (13)
Dwarf ---- XXXXXXXXXXXX (12)
Elf ------ XXXXXX (6)
Gnome ---- XXXX (4)
Halfling - XX (2)
Half-Elf - XXXXXXXX (8)
Half-Orc - XXXXXXXX (8)

Class:
Barbarian - (-27)
Bard ------ (-23)
Cleric ---- (-2)
Druid ----- (-19)
Fighter --- XX (2)
Monk ------ XXXXXX (6)
Paladin --- XX (2)
Ranger ---- (-2)
Rogue ----- (-4)
Sorcerer -- XX (2)
Wizard ---- XX (2)

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Neppyman said, 'Like this survey? Copy, paste, and edit the code to make your own! Please give me credit if you do so, of course,' so I'm giving him his due.

-Doomn


I would have said LE, but the test puts me in the LN square:

You Are A:

Lawful Neutral Human Sorcerer/Rogue (3rd/3rd Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 11
Dexterity- 14
Constitution- 12
Intelligence- 13
Wisdom- 9
Charisma- 13

Looks like I'm slightly better than I think!

Dark Archive

It doesn't let me see my results:(


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Wow, I'm not alone when I left NG?

Oddly, the D&D survey / questionnaire says I'm a LG cleric for some odd reason.


I put CG and ended up...

- N halfling Drd 3/Wiz 3

True N marks were just above a tie b/n CN and NG so I guess they cancelled out.

I can see Druid/Wizard (bookish and woodsy), but halfling? On first blush no way, but I would love to live in a tiny burrow with a lovely garden, so there's that.

Dark Archive

CN 6th level human wizard
Two away from evil, one away from neutral. Sounds about right.
Human, okay
Wizard... I don't even like wizards much. Huh.
6th level I wants hasteses and fireballses!
Str 17
Dex 20
Con 15
Int 17
Wis 14
Cha 15

I think I'll prepare scorching ray. I have a decent to hit.


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Still LN Human Cleric with pathetic stats for a cleric due to lousy wisdom.


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Wow...

Spoiler:
You Are A:

Lawful Good Human Paladin/Cleric (3rd/2nd Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 12
Dexterity- 18
Constitution- 13
Intelligence- 16
Wisdom- 16
Charisma- 16

Alignment:
Lawful Good- A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. He combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. He tells the truth, keeps his word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished. Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion. However, lawful good can be a dangerous alignment when it restricts freedom and criminalizes self-interest.

Race:
Humans are the most adaptable of the common races. Short generations and a penchant for migration and conquest have made them physically diverse as well. Humans are often unorthodox in their dress, sporting unusual hairstyles, fanciful clothes, tattoos, and the like.

Primary Class:
Paladins- Paladins take their adventures seriously, and even a mundane mission is, in the heart of the paladin, a personal test an opportunity to demonstrate bravery, to learn tactics, and to find ways to do good. Divine power protects these warriors of virtue, warding off harm, protecting from disease, healing, and guarding against fear. The paladin can also direct this power to help others, healing wounds or curing diseases, and also use it to destroy evil. Experienced paladins can smite evil foes and turn away undead. A paladin's Wisdom score should be high, as this determines the maximum spell level that they can cast. Many of the paladin's special abilities also benefit from a high Charisma score.

Secondary Class:
Clerics- Clerics act as intermediaries between the earthly and the divine (or infernal) worlds. A good cleric helps those in need, while an evil cleric seeks to spread his patron's vision of evil across the world. All clerics can heal wounds and bring people back from the brink of death, and powerful clerics can even raise the dead. Likewise, all clerics have authority over undead creatures, and they can turn away or even destroy these creatures. Clerics are trained in the use of simple weapons, and can use all forms of armor and shields without penalty, since armor does not interfere with the casting of divine spells. In addition to his normal complement of spells, every cleric chooses to focus on two of his deity's domains. These domains grants the cleric special powers, and give him access to spells that he might otherwise never learn. A cleric's Wisdom score should be high, since this determines the maximum spell level that he can cast.


Hey I am different this time... I edged over that line into LG now, but somehow became a half elf in the process?


LG Wizard, level 4. I'm always a wizard. A wizard with int 12, too, so a pretty kakky one. No 3rd level spells for me :( :( :(


Level 7 CN Human Bard


Lawful Evil Human Sorcerer (3rd Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 13
Dexterity- 16
Constitution- 11
Intelligence- 16
Wisdom- 15
Charisma- 17

Probably Infernal.
Go Team Devil!


I would have said NG Ranger or Druid or both, but this says:

True Neutral Human Cleric/Sorcerer (4th/3rd Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 11
Dexterity- 10
Constitution- 11
Intelligence- 11
Wisdom- 13
Charisma- 13

-- david


What alignment is Sherlock Holmes?


I didn't see the option for Chaotic Blue.


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Today, it seems, I'm a Neutral Good Human Ranger.

With Intelligence as my highest stat and Dexterity as one of my lowest. Huzzah.


LazarX wrote:

I'm LazarX's alignment.

Or to put it as Monte Cook would do, We don't live in a world of Nine alignments, but Nine Billion.

Only someone who's an ethical/moral simpleton would peg themselves in a nine square box created as a gaming construct.

I go with this guy's answer. I won't bother with statting myself, my stats would be pitiful for adventuring.


I like to think I'm good... But everyone thinks they are good. Even horrible people.

So I'm guessing I'm probably Neutral... Like 90% of human population.


Lemmy wrote:

I like to think I'm good... But everyone thinks they are good. Even horrible people.

So I'm guessing I'm probably Neutral... Like 90% of human population.

It isn't so hard to figure out.

If someone was in trouble but you were on your way to a job interview, would you stop and help them anyway even if it's likely to cost you the job? If yes then you are good.


Aranna wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

I like to think I'm good... But everyone thinks they are good. Even horrible people.

So I'm guessing I'm probably Neutral... Like 90% of human population.

It isn't so hard to figure out.

If someone was in trouble but you were on your way to a job interview, would you stop and help them anyway even if it's likely to cost you the job? If yes then you are good.

I don't think there's any one single question that can pinpoint your "alignment". Certainly not one as vague as the one presented.

What kind of trouble is that person in? Why is she in that trouble? Can I actually help them? Could I make things worse? Am I unemployed or just looking for higher pay? Do I have any other sources of income? Do I have a family to support?

Life is not black and white.


bigrig107 wrote:

Lawful Evil Human Sorcerer (3rd Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 13
Dexterity- 16
Constitution- 11
Intelligence- 16
Wisdom- 15
Charisma- 17

Probably Infernal.
Go Team Devil!

Where did I go wrong teaching you my son?

Neutral Good Human Wizard/Sorcerer (4th/3rd Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 15
Dexterity- 12
Constitution- 16
Intelligence- 18
Wisdom- 15
Charisma- 16


My personal alignment is Banana Milkshake (Chaotic Neutral).


Lemmy wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

I like to think I'm good... But everyone thinks they are good. Even horrible people.

So I'm guessing I'm probably Neutral... Like 90% of human population.

It isn't so hard to figure out.

If someone was in trouble but you were on your way to a job interview, would you stop and help them anyway even if it's likely to cost you the job? If yes then you are good.

I don't think there's any one single question that can pinpoint your "alignment". Certainly not one as vague as the one presented.

What kind of trouble is that person in? Why is she in that trouble? Can I actually help them? Could I make things worse? Am I unemployed or just looking for higher pay? Do I have any other sources of income? Do I have a family to support?

Life is not black and white.

Yep your Neutral. That is a classic neutral response.

Implicit in the question is the assumption that you can help.
But your other response questions boil down to: Does she really need help and just how much is this going to cost me. Or in other words can I justify to myself NOT helping. If I can justify doing so via one of the many means for such justification then awesome I can just hurry past and pretend not to notice.

The Good and Evil responses would include very different questions.


Aranna wrote:

Yep your Neutral. That is a classic neutral response.

Implicit in the question is the assumption that you can help.
But your other response questions boil down to: Does she really need help and just how much is this going to cost me. Or in other words can I justify to myself NOT helping. If I can justify doing so via one of the many means for such justification then awesome I can just hurry past and pretend not to notice.

The Good and Evil responses would include very different questions.

Congratulations, then, Aranna. You alone solved every question about morality! Something no one else in the history of humanity could accomplish...

It was all in a very vague question about a job interview... How come no philosopher ever think of that? There's nothing overly simplistic or condescending about it... Nope. It can all be solved by a simple, extremely vague question...

*rolls eyes*


I wouldn't go so far as to say EVERY question of morality is solved by a simple question. But the concept of good and evil is an easy one.


Aranna wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say EVERY question of morality is solved by a simple question. But the concept of good and evil is an easy one.

I'd reply, but my last post is already a fitting a response to this as well.


I'm chaotic neutral. I'm super nice, sometimes annoying, to those that I like and will worry constantly for them if they're in trouble, but if the world around me is burning I'll just let it burn.

Grand Lodge

Pan wrote:
Tirq wrote:

Lawful Good! Ah, I love being a Pally.

If you don't quite know yourself... go Here!

What do you know? I chose neutral good on the poll. I then went to your link and ended up a 4th level human sorcerer who is neutral good!

Huh!! I chose chaotic good which is what I normally play but got True Neutral Human Ranger/Wizard for being a convert from reality.


Guy Humual wrote:
What if you don't like alignments?

Then you picked a pretty dumb thread to comment in.


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Lemmy wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

I like to think I'm good... But everyone thinks they are good. Even horrible people.

So I'm guessing I'm probably Neutral... Like 90% of human population.

It isn't so hard to figure out.

If someone was in trouble but you were on your way to a job interview, would you stop and help them anyway even if it's likely to cost you the job? If yes then you are good.

I don't think there's any one single question that can pinpoint your "alignment". Certainly not one as vague as the one presented.

What kind of trouble is that person in? Why is she in that trouble? Can I actually help them? Could I make things worse? Am I unemployed or just looking for higher pay? Do I have any other sources of income? Do I have a family to support?

Life is not black and white.

Every grey, when you zoom in enough, is black and white.

If you answer all of those questions you have, there is a black answer and a white answer to the specific scenario you choose. Life isn't black and white only because there are so many variables, but when you break it down to any single scenario with absolutely every variable mapped out, there is a good and an evil choice...and possibly a neutral.


thegreenteagamer wrote:

Every grey, when you zoom in enough, is black and white.

If you answer all of those questions you have, there is a black answer and a white answer to the specific scenario you choose. Life isn't black and white only because there are so many variables, but when you break it down to any single scenario with absolutely every variable mapped out, there is a good and an evil choice...and possibly a neutral.

And if you zoom even more, it's back to grey, as you can never know every consequence of an act. Butterfly effect and all that...

Besides, unlike D&D we don't have objective morality. Ask a thousand people what "Good" and "Evil" are and you'll have a thousand different answers. And who's to tell who's right?

Not only that, but even if you're right, there are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many variables to be considered. And no vague, simplistic question can account for them all. And morals aren't the only thing that guide our decisions, not even our decisions about morals. Our knowledge of the situation, our patience, our past experiences, our resources, our feelings... All of that and more play a role in every decision we make, and any one who denies it is either a fool or a liar.

Finally, no single decision can determine your morals. It's arrogant and foolish to presume you can tell someone's "alignment" based on their reply to a single question.


According to many, chaotic anti-whedon.


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I don't think humanity has alignments, but I think it's justification to say there's no such thing as an objective morality. Subjective morality is the great excuse of people who do evil but aren't willing to simply admit it.

The Exchange

I vote for Chaotic Neutral (with a tendency to Good) and the test said:

Chaotic Good Human Druid (5th Level)

Ability Scores:
Strength- 13
Dexterity- 10
Constitution- 12
Intelligence- 15
Wisdom- 14
Charisma- 13

Alignment:
Chaotic Good- A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he's kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society. Chaotic good is the best alignment you can be because it combines a good heart with a free spirit. However, chaotic good can be a dangerous alignment when it disrupts the order of society and punishes those who do well for themselves.

Race:
Humans are the most adaptable of the common races. Short generations and a penchant for migration and conquest have made them physically diverse as well. Humans are often unorthodox in their dress, sporting unusual hairstyles, fanciful clothes, tattoos, and the like.

Class:
Druids- Druids gain power not by ruling nature but by being at one with it. They hate the unnatural, including aberrations or undead, and destroy them where possible. Druids receive divine spells from nature, not the gods, and can gain an array of powers as they gain experience, including the ability to take the shapes of animals. The weapons and armor of a druid are restricted by their traditional oaths, not simply training. A druid's Wisdom score should be high, as this determines the maximum spell level that they can cast.

I prefer (Pathfinder-)Half-orcs and Dwarfs, but Druid is my fav class!


thegreenteagamer wrote:
I don't think humanity has alignments, but I think it's justification to say there's no such thing as an objective morality. Subjective morality is the great excuse of people who do evil but aren't willing to simply admit it.

Objective morality is a much greater excuse. Everyone who defends it "coincidentally" thinks their morality is the objectively correct one... And yet, no two people agree completely on what is morally right or wrong. Right now, even people who share the same religion, political views, nationality and social background disagree on what is good and what's evil.

If there's any objective morality in the real world, so far humans haven't agreed on it... Or even been able to demonstrate it actually exists.

So... Subjective it is.


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Lemmy wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
I don't think humanity has alignments, but I think it's justification to say there's no such thing as an objective morality. Subjective morality is the great excuse of people who do evil but aren't willing to simply admit it.

Objective morality is a much greater excuse. Everyone who defends it "coincidentally" thinks their morality is the objectively correct one... And yet, no two people agree completely on what is morally right or wrong. Right now, even people who share the same religion, political views, nationality and social background disagree on what is good and what's evil.

If there's any objective morality in the real world, so far humans haven't agreed on it... Or even been able to demonstrate it actually exists.

So... Subjective it is.

You realize your lying right? Many people agree objectively on moral right and wrong. Sure you can find some minor variances across the billions who worship God. But my boyfriend believes as I do and many people have identical views as other people. This lie is so easy to expose it's shameful.

And YES there is one moral right and wrong. Just because people get some small parts wrong (myself included on occasion) doesn't change that fact.


Aranna wrote:
You realize your lying right? Many people agree objectively on moral right and wrong. Sure you can find some minor variances across the billions who worship God. But my boyfriend believes as I do and many people have identical views as other people. This lie is so easy to expose it's shameful.

Yeah... I'm sure you agree a 100% on every moral issue. Every. Single. One.

Forgive me if I don't believe you...

Besides, even if you do agree on everything... that doesn't prove anything. You and him can both believe vehemently that blue is the most beautiful color ever... That doesn't mean blue is, in fact, objectively more beautiful than every other color.

Aranna wrote:
And YES there is one moral right and wrong. Just because people get some small parts wrong (myself included on occasion) doesn't change that fact.

How exactly do you know that there's an "objective morality that people sometimes get wrong" instead of simply "people with differing morals"?

Let me guess... There's a set of morals that you see as "obviously" correct, and... That's it, really. I really doubt you have any scientific method for defining what morals are "objectively correct".

Now, you're free to think you're right and everyone else is wrong... I'm free to say that's what pretty much everyone in the history of ever always thinks.


Bleh... I should know better than discuss "real life alignment". Specially when it feels like it's approaching a debate about religion... Those never end well.

I'm out!


Tammy likes blue.


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Humans don't have objective morality. They do have objective moronity though!

(In other words most humans are morons and I ain't trusting them with morality.)


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Lemmy wrote:
Aranna wrote:
You realize your lying right? Many people agree objectively on moral right and wrong. Sure you can find some minor variances across the billions who worship God. But my boyfriend believes as I do and many people have identical views as other people. This lie is so easy to expose it's shameful.

Yeah... I'm sure you agree a 100% on every moral issue. Every. Single. One.

Forgive me if I don't believe you...

Besides, even if you do agree on everything... that doesn't prove anything. You and him can both believe vehemently that blue is the most beautiful color ever... That doesn't mean blue is, in fact, objectively more beautiful than every other color.

Aranna wrote:
And YES there is one moral right and wrong. Just because people get some small parts wrong (myself included on occasion) doesn't change that fact.

How exactly do you know that there's an "objective morality that people sometimes get wrong" instead of simply "people with differing morals"?

Let me guess... There's a set of morals that you see as "obviously" correct, and... That's it, really. I really doubt you have any scientific method for defining what morals are "objectively correct".

Now, you're free to think you're right and everyone else is wrong... I'm free to say that's what pretty much everyone in the history of ever always thinks.

Straw men don't win arguments.

It isn't the color blue that has moral weight, it IS murder, it IS theft. These things ARE objectively evil. Period. Trying to pretend murder is the color blue is just a vain attempt to obfuscate the truth.


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Aranna wrote:
It isn't the color blue that has moral weight, it IS murder, it IS theft. These things ARE objectively evil. Period.

Stealing a loaf of bread to feed starving orphans?

Poisoning a genocidal warlord before he can send his forces into a neighboring country?

Stealing a car so you can get an injured innocent to medical care in time?

Killing someone infected with a lethal disease that they will inevitably spread to anyone they come into contact with?

Breaking into a laboratory to take a dose of a serum to treat a disease the afflicted poor would never be able to legitimately afford?

Killing someone you think is charging you with an axe when he's really just scared and running away from something else but you have no way of knowing that?

I would hope you would weigh intention, because actions are situational.


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Cole Deschain wrote:
Aranna wrote:
It isn't the color blue that has moral weight, it IS murder, it IS theft. These things ARE objectively evil. Period.

Stealing a loaf of bread to feed starving orphans?

Poisoning a genocidal warlord before he can send his forces into a neighboring country?

Stealing a car so you can get an injured innocent to medical care in time?

Killing someone infected with a lethal disease that they will inevitably spread to anyone they come into contact with?

Breaking into a laboratory to take a dose of a serum to treat a disease the afflicted poor would never be able to legitimately afford?

Killing someone you think is charging you with an axe when he's really just scared and running away from something else but you have no way of knowing that?

I would hope you would weigh intention, because actions are situational.

Stealing food, medicine, or transportation because you are placing YOUR NEED to help those you care about ABOVE the NEEDS of others IS evil. It matters not who benefits from your evil someone is getting hurt and in some cases you are KILLING OTHERS to help those YOU FAVOR. EVIL.

Killing in self defense isn't murder. You may still face prison for not acting responsibly in killing someone you thought was attacking you but your alignment wouldn't be evil.

Killing someone infected with a lethal disease should only be done if they can't be contained, but in either case it isn't murder and it isn't evil. It's a medical decision.

I saved the best for last: "Poisoning a genocidal warlord before he can send his forces into a neighboring country?" This is loaded with assumptions. At the root (removing labels) you are asking if it's evil to kill someone WHO HASN'T COMMITTED a crime to still be killed for that crime... You have NO IDEA if the man you labeled a warlord is going to invade or not. You want to kill him cause he COULD invade... That IS evil. On the other hand you attached a different label; genocidal. Has he already committed mass murder? If so and this isn't just a media label that has no weight of truth. Then a court of law could convict him of murder and sentence him with execution. That wouldn't be murder.


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Cole Deschain wrote:
Aranna wrote:
It isn't the color blue that has moral weight, it IS murder, it IS theft. These things ARE objectively evil. Period.

Stealing a loaf of bread to feed starving orphans?

Poisoning a genocidal warlord before he can send his forces into a neighboring country?

Stealing a car so you can get an injured innocent to medical care in time?

Killing someone infected with a lethal disease that they will inevitably spread to anyone they come into contact with?

Breaking into a laboratory to take a dose of a serum to treat a disease the afflicted poor would never be able to legitimately afford?

Killing someone you think is charging you with an axe when he's really just scared and running away from something else but you have no way of knowing that?

I would hope you would weigh intention, because actions are situational.

Yes, and each of those situations has a right and wrong answer. Just because if you zoom out and ask about the entire conceptualization when compared to the specific to get a grey doesn't mean that if you zoom in those individual situations don't have a black or white answer.


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One of my favorite lines from Fargo season two, Ted Danson asks Kirsten Dunst why she didn't go to the police right away.

"Ya say that like you're in a vacuum, you weren't there"

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