Totem Warrior Clarification - UC

[KrispyXIV]

Ok, so as I was looking through part of Ultimate Combat, I came across the following;

"Rage Powers: Any barbarian who meets the powers’ prerequisites can select and use the following new Rage powers. Totem Rage powers grant powers related to a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem Rage powers; for example, a barbarian who selects a beast totem Rage power (see the Advanced Player’s Guide) cannot later choose to gain any of the dragon totem Rage powers (any Rage power with “dragon totem” in its title), unless she has the totem warrior archetype."

Last I had seen on the boards, consensus was that this archetype was entirely flavor, and did nothing. Was there clarification or errata I missed?

Should there have been?

[Andy Ferguson]

Good catch. Be interesting to see if that gets changed, or every barbarian from here on out take Totem Warrior as an Archetype.

[StabbittyDoom]

Andy Ferguson wrote:

Good catch. Be interesting to see if that gets changed, or every barbarian from here on out take Totem Warrior as an Archetype.

*puts on DM hat* Well it seems you've taken an archetype that modifies rage powers.

[KrispyXIV]

StabbittyDoom wrote:

Andy Ferguson wrote:

Good catch. Be interesting to see if that gets changed, or every barbarian from here on out take Totem Warrior as an Archetype.

*puts on DM hat* Well it seems you've taken an archetype that modifies rage powers.

Which luckily (or unfortunately) excludes nothing else, as no other archetypes modify them.

[Varthanna]

KrispyXIV wrote:

StabbittyDoom wrote:

Andy Ferguson wrote:

Good catch. Be interesting to see if that gets changed, or every barbarian from here on out take Totem Warrior as an Archetype.

*puts on DM hat* Well it seems you've taken an archetype that modifies rage powers.

Which luckily (or unfortunately) excludes nothing else, as no other archetypes modify them.

Agreed. So every barbarian out there now, might as well be a totem barbarian. Maaaybe in the future there will be something else that is a "this or that but not both" to compete with totem barbarian, but I dont see it happening soon.

[Raghart]

Someone deserves a Headache for this.

It seems strange indeed that an Archetype who changes nothing allows you something. For that thing about "you can have all archetypes you want while don't modify the same ability" thing.

Hopefully they did this hoping in the roleplay of the people who don't have to adore Totems if the don't want, and not as some "Free powers!"

[KrispyXIV]

Raghart wrote:

Someone deserves a Headache for this.

It seems strange indeed that an Archetype who changes nothing allows you something. For that thing about "you can have all archetypes you want while don't modify the same ability" thing.

Hopefully they did this hoping in the roleplay of the people who don't have to adore Totems if the don't want, and not as some "Free powers!"

I dont know that Totem Warrior actually does do anything though at this point. Some non-archetype text in UC indicates it should, but I dont know that this overwrites whats in the APG.

Similar example: UM and UC directly contradict each other on whether or not non-inquisitors can take Inquisitions. UM says they can, UC says that they may not. Which takes priority? Does the text in a given book only apply to the rules in that book? (Relatedly, has anyone covered this? Do I need to post a thread for this as well? :/)

[BlingerBunny]

I'm kinda late to the party, but here's an idea. The Totem Warrior (Archetype) builds like the regular barbarian, except that he can choose from multiple totem rage powers.

What if the restriction is that you can only have one lesser, one regular, and one greater? It went unmentioned because someone forgot, or thought it would automatically be interpreted as such.

Totems are specific to the tribe, so a tribe has a lesser beast, fiend, and greater spirit totem, or something of that sort. With the Dragon totem, it should be discerned in the description.

This would also explain why a barbarian can only access certain totem rage powers at/after a specified level has been reached.

It also changes the prerequisites on the totem rage powers to adapt to the class, so all you need is a lesser totem to get to a regular, and so on.

[blackbloodtroll]

Totem Warrior no longer exists, or rather, it never did, according to Developers.

Crazy Necro huh?

[BlingerBunny]

Really? I thought it'd be a great class, just clarification on that front. Also, if it nolonger exists, or never did, then they should remove it from the PRD, with a note saying (Removed for reasons of OP)

[blackbloodtroll]

Basically, a "Totem Warrior", is anyone who takes Totem Rage Powers.

That's it.

[BlingerBunny]

Don't forget the bit in UC that was explained.

Any barbarian who meets the powers' prerequisites can select and use the following new rage powers. Totem rage powers grant powers related to a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers; for example, a barbarian who selects a beast totem rage power (see the Advanced Player's Guide) cannot later choose to gain any of the dragon totem rage powers (any rage power with “dragon totem” in its title), unless she has the totem warrior archetype.

[gourry187]

bb can you post a link to the FAQ which states that it no longer exists. Looked through the APG and UC FAQs and can't find it.

nevermind, found it

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ldw0?The-FAQ-That-Time-Forgot

ugh sorry can't get link to work

[Cheapy]

The FAQ in question.

Jason explaining the totem warrior archetype and why it exists.

I think BBT was answering a bit poetically. The archetype still exists, but it doesn't actually do anything and may as well not.

[blackbloodtroll]

See here.

Edit: Ninja'd.