The Gungan Sith lords are coming!
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got one (based on the Terry pratchett's free wee men)
the truth about the gnomes is that Golarion is their "paradize". In fact they are living a previous life in a dull all grey underground world, and there, when they die, they just born again in Golarion where nothing can happend to them. Of course, when they die in Golarion, they simply born again in the Dull world. The bleaching is the proof of this theory. If they don't enjoy Golarion enough, they are looking more and more as gnome of the dull world.
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The small grey mad men called Derro have been shaping human history for untold generations. They live beneath our cities and have, in fact, encouraged humanity to civilize so as to become sedentary. They do this under orders from the true masters of Golarion; invisible giants who live in massive chambers deep beneath the surface of the world.
Their brilliance is that they have been virtually undetected for 30,000 years. They have even raised their own to be false gods of humanity with names such as Abadar and Aroden and their plans are coming to fruition.
Just a touch of truth makes a conspiracy much more fun.
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Over the course of history, there are many proofs for a group of otherwordly and powerful beings involved in many events throughout the Great Beyond, refering to themselves with the word "Paizo" .
What are their motives? Where do they come from? What are they?
What is their apparent relationshp to the Pathfinder Society? Is it a source for information and events to export to the Paizo home reality, for sale as a game? Are the Decemviri just marionettes? Or even members of Paizo themselves?
And what role do they play in the death of Aroden? Did they kill him? Kidnap him? Why? Is there a connection to the large blue golem reported to have left the sanctum of the Last Azlanti when he seemed to have died?
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So who was Norgorber before he became a god?
Simple answer: a halfling assassin.
Complicated answer: a halfling assassin who didn't actually pass the test of the Starstone. Instead he discovered the shocking truth about the true nature of the gods, and he blackmailed them into letting him join their ranks.
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So who was Norgorber before he became a god?
Simple answer: a halfling assassin.
Also, why does Norgorber have four different sub-aspects?
Four adventurous halflings worked together as a team to beat the Test of the Starstone, combining their diverse talents. Together, they ascended, and together, Father Skinsaw (barbarian), Blackfingers (alchemist), the Gray Master (rogue) and the Reaper of Reputation (bard), maintain the pretense of being a single divine entity.
Norgorber is a committee...
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So who was Norgorber before he became a god?
Simple answer: a halfling assassin.Also, why does Norgorber have four different sub-aspects?
Four adventurous halflings worked together as a team to beat the Test of the Starstone, combining their diverse talents. Together, they ascended, and together, Father Skinsaw (barbarian), Blackfingers (alchemist), the Gray Master (rogue) and the Reaper of Reputation (bard), maintain the pretense of being a single divine entity.
Norgorber is a committee...
Takes the saying "Death by committee" to a whole new level.
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Death! ... by bunga bunga!
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In 4329 AR, Geb turned an army of warrior-maidens to stone with a few words of power. Some question why the foremost necromancer of the age used a transcendentally powerful spell of transmutation, and did not tear their lives from their bodies with foulest necromancy.
Geb chose to turn their bodies to stone for one reason, to keep them more or less 'alive,' if insensate, and to trap their souls within their bodies, so that he could use them as a vast source of soul energy, to fuel his darkest works (such as a mighty curse that shields his palace, so that any who scry upon him within it see only endless visions of their own deaths, over and over, driving them to madness and a very real death). Those who have opposed him over the centuries have failed to realize that his necromancy is bolstered by the hundreds of trapped souls, and that great necromantic engines within Geb itself are powered by these statues.
To shatter these statues will not only free their souls from eternal torment, but also erode the defenses of the undead kingdom.
Any attempt to save one of the warrior-maidens, on the other hand, after nearly four centuries of having their souls twisted towards necromantic ends, will instead unleash a horrific undead monstrosity, only vaguely resembling the original warrior, and this too, is yet another of Geb's long-term plans, as he knows that the process of constantly using their life-energies to maintain necromantic abominations would twist the original souls, and 'incubate' terrible undead creations the likes of which the world hasn't seen since the days of the Whispering Tyrant...
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So who was Norgorber before he became a god?
Simple answer: a halfling assassin.Also, why does Norgorber have four different sub-aspects?
Four adventurous halflings worked together as a team to beat the Test of the Starstone, combining their diverse talents. Together, they ascended, and together, Father Skinsaw (barbarian), Blackfingers (alchemist), the Gray Master (rogue) and the Reaper of Reputation (bard), maintain the pretense of being a single divine entity.
Norgorber is a committee...
Necroing this thread just to let Set know that this is the secret canon truth about Norgorber in my home game.
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Nethys is really Nex. All magic-users are his secret slaves and the goal is to eventually drive Geb's land of Osirion back into slavery. (OK, this one works better if you're running around near Osirion or with an Osiriani PC).
Nethys isn't Nex. Nethys was never human at all.
Nethys is really Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos, masquerading as a conventional deity so he can pursue his darkly ineffable goals without excess scrutiny.
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Nethys is really Nex. All magic-users are his secret slaves and the goal is to eventually drive Geb's land of Osirion back into slavery. (OK, this one works better if you're running around near Osirion or with an Osiriani PC).Nethys isn't Nex. Nethys was never human at all.
Nethys is really Nyarlathotep, the Crawling Chaos, masquerading as a conventional deity so he can pursue his darkly ineffable goals without excess scrutiny.
Hmm.
In fact, perhaps none of the God-Pharoahs were really human at all. Not that I'd have an opinion beyond what Lost Kingdoms says.
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In fact, perhaps none of the God-Pharoahs were really human at all. Not that I'd have an opinion beyond what Lost Kingdoms says.
Depends on your definition of 'were human.'
They mostly 'were' human, once, before their brains were cut out and stored in metal canisters deep beneath the royal palace, while the Mi-Go ruled Osirion from their bodies.
That's why all the God-Kings wore those awesome ornate head-dresses, to hide the surgery scars.
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There is a shadow war in Cheliax that few even know exists. The followers of the left-hand path of diabolism are in a state of conflict with the church of Asmodeus, which they believe have defied the proper state of the infernal heirarchy, by treating Asmodeus as the only devil worthy of reverence and suppressing the churches of Mammom, Mephistopheles, Dispater and the overall philosophy of Diabolism itself (which reveres the eight archdevils *and* Asmodeus).
The Aspis Consortium isn't really just a bunch of merchants: The Consortium uses its considerable influence to start wars between nations (so they can sell arms to both sides), cause famines (to sell food to the starving at inflated prices), and bring about "natural" disasters (to sell building materials and the provide mercenary soldiers to affected areas). They have infiltrated all of the governments in the Inner Sea region and nudge decisions to favor their financial ends at the expense of everyone else.
I'd take the gnome idea and use it for halflings in Cheliax. The ruling caste has become so dependent on them for labor, they wouldn't know what to do without them.
he nobles of House Thrune have been engaged in a sort of breeding program for the last generation, marrying various Hellknights and soldiers of burlier-than-normal stature, even some of less-than-noble blood, which, in any lesser placed house, would be a bit of a scandal.
Their latest crop of young nobles are indeed longer of limb and more physically robust than is typical of Chelish nobility, and tend to dress to flaunt their physical traits. Other noble houses very quietly whisper that they pollute themselves by striving for such physical advantages in their youth, rather than a focus on erudition, keen wit and charm, but the new generation certainly doesn't seem to lack for *that* either...
Mainly because they are all of them, from an early age, possessed by devils, and the entire devil-court of Thrune is being bred to be nothing more than attractive and hearty meat-puppets for the *true* fiendish rulers of Ergoran. They care not if the young nobles they inhabit can spell their names or name their ancestors back five generations, only that their bodies are hale enough to survive the fiendish appetites of their possesors.
Abrogail Thrune has been so possessed almost since birth, by Glasya, daughter of Asmodeus, and a nascent arch-devil in her own right.
So who was Norgorber before he became a god?
Simple answer: a halfling assassin.Also, why does Norgorber have four different sub-aspects?
Four adventurous halflings worked together as a team to beat the Test of the Starstone, combining their diverse talents. Together, they ascended, and together, Father Skinsaw (barbarian), Blackfingers (alchemist), the Gray Master (rogue) and the Reaper of Reputation (bard), maintain the pretense of being a single divine entity.
Norgorber is a committee...
All of these wonderful posts have helped me to better define my own version of Golarion. I will post the results shortly.
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What Set wrote makes a lot of sense - Kingmaker makes allusions to the idea that prophecy (and knowing your destiny) actually erodes and/or destroys free will. so the idea of Aroden deciding to smash up the machinery of fate and destiny in order to give mankind a chance of a future made out of their own choices isn't much of a stretch.
Hello, Golden Path.
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My fondness for necromancy is well-known, so it's always a thrill to see this thread lurching back up from the archives.
The Galtan red revolution is being artificially perpetuated, that's no real shocker even to someone who doesn't wear tin hats.
But the true architects would be a bit a surprise. A secret cabal of Kalistocrats are fueling the unending revolution out of Druma, so that they can continue to sell weapons and other supplies to that country, while utterly eliminating it as a business rival. (Galt *used* to be quite the free market paradise, and a powerful mercantile competitor, in their day...)
They quietly snatch up anything worthwhile in the ravaged nation, sometimes for copper on the gold, while making sure that the things that most threatened their own market dominance, Galts famous vineyards, have been torched and sown with salt in a carefully orchestrated revolt against the 'aristocrats' who owned said vineyards.
The vilest among them, keeping secrets even from his most cold-blooded and predatory peers, oversaw the seed of an idea that went into the Final Blades, which don't work *exactly* as advertised. See, he was a daemonaic, a worshipper of Szuriel, and found that merely keeping an entire nation locked in a state of civil unrest was not nearly efficient enough.
After all, souls are currency, to one such as he, and allowing all those precious souls to just be squandered and wasted, it put a catch in his breath and a shudder under his skin. So the Final Blades capture those souls, and he knows a secret technique to drain the captured souls of the thousands who die upon them, so that he can offer them up to his night hag broker, who sells them on the planar markets.
Even his fellow war-profiteers would blanche at that last bit of profit he has managed to eke out of the endless horror they work to sustain.
Gnomes are hiding a terrible, evil, wicked, world-shattering secret.
Never trust anyone who smiles that much.
Also, remember GNULTRA.
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This thread is hilarious, enlightening and inspiring :D
My 2 cents:
Baba Yaga is not actually a witch, or even humanoid! Her name is a bastardization of 'Baby Yaga', as she/it is the larval form of the Spawn of Rovagug known as 'Yaga, the End-Winter'.
Its true identity is being kept secret and it's powers explained as witchcraft by cultists of Rovagug to allow it to reach maturity and free Rovagug from the Dead Vault.
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Baba Yaga conquered the Lands of the Linnorm Kings to punish a single Ulfen man.
This warrior was wandering the fey roads of the First World when he encountered a desperate gnome Prince who asked for his protection. He agreed not knowing the gnome was being chased by the angry Witch he had cheated in his bargain to experience life as a mortal. So long as they stayed on the path he and the gnome were safe. Baba Yaga offered to bear the man a son who would be king if he would give her the gnome but he would not break his given word. He thwarted Baba Yaga from her immediate revenge by following the Path until it led to a gate back to Golarion.
Angry the witch took her revenge first upon all of gnome-kind, severing them from the First World's sustaining primality by expanding the Prince's bargain to all his people, giving them souls and then driving them into Golarion where the ill-fitting mortality would curse them with the bleaching as their underlying fey nature reacted to the non-First World.
Then she gathered allies. She turned into a wolf and seduced the leader of the largest winter wolf pack ever to howl together, she bargained with the winter court for an army of dark fey, and called in banners of ice trolls and frost giants. She then invaded the lands of the Linnorm Kings and conquered the two homelands of the man's father's and mother's kin. She set up her daughters to rule over them and enslaved the Ulfen who lived there to a cruel life subject to monsters and Baba Yaga's descendants' oppresive reign.
The thing is that time in the First World runs differently. While Baba Yaga invaded Golarion 1,400 years ago, the man has not yet entered the First World.
Most gnomes know nothing of this history, they only know a dark angry force of the Dark Woods of the First World drove them out. Some however have learned the truth and are split on what to do about it. Some say this man must be stoppped so that all gnomes may be saved the Witch's curse. Others say he must be secretly guided and sent to the First World to ensure that gnomes can live as mortals as no other fey can.
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I know in pathfinder, most half dragons are the result of wizard experiments, so natural ones are decidedly rare. But that still doesn't explain how all these draconic bloodline sorcerers are running around.
There was this one wizard who was all, "Dude dragons be awesome! I wish everyone could be a dragon." So he made everyone in the town a half-dragon.
Within the month the town was destroyed, possibly a feature of people adapting to the new breath attacks they suddenly possessed. When the town was destroyed, they scattered, traveling from place to place, trying not to draw much attention, but still engage in the odd romantic encounter. (Perhaps, the men of the town more than the women.)
The effects of the wizard's spell was such that in almost all cases when one of these half-dragons hooked up with a member of a mundane race* the offspring only became a carrier for the magic genes. However, when the child also had a genetically aptitude for magic, he/she would take on traits of a dragon which many find... unnatural.
*Not a lot of them hooked up together, because they were nervous about having full dragon offspring(should be a 25% chances right?) I mean, if once per day breath attack is a problem, imagine raising a kid with a once every 30 seconds one. And don't get me started on the problem of raising a dragon with a different energy affinity.
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The Oinodaemon is NOT dead, and NOT held prisoner by the other Horsemen. He rules over Abaddon completely...he just rules via his chosen proxies, the Four Horsemen; he doesn't consider any others worthy of interacting with him, even the gods who reside in Abaddon.
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Inspired by wjsilver bringing up half-dragons;
It's generally assumed that the creation of half-dragons had something to do with a male dragon with either the ability to shapechange, or shockingly low moral self-esteem.
What is less known is that the first half-dragons were created by a female dragon, and her self-esteem was just fine, thanks for asking. She was a terrible miser, even by dragon standards, and yet, every year, without fail, produced clutch of eggs, even when she was not currently 'seeing anyone.' The eggs, infertile, would eventually rot and be wasted, and something in the prideful creature felt that was unacceptable. Fertile or not, she'd invested some minor effort in producing them, and they were a part of her, not something to be discarded or wasted!
So she did some research, over the course of decades, and finally hit upon an arcane procedure that involved carefully opening the unfertilized egg, popping a humanoid infant into it, sealing it back up, and performing some rites and then 'basting' the egg with her breath weapon. Nine times out of ten, she got a slightly-dragon flavored corpse out of the deal, but she refined and experimented until her success rate was closer to 50/50, and even the 'failures' where just terribly deformed, and not actually dead. Thanks to the rituals, the creatures that crawled forth from these eggs were fanatically loyal to their 'mother,' and she soon had a dozen or so half-dragon humanoids of various types (as she liked to experiment, and so tried the procedure with an assortment of different humanoid species).
Other dragons, over millennia, have refined the process. While male dragons, or any dragon who can change their form, can make half-dragons by mating with other creatures, a sisterhood of dragon females use these rituals, and others derived from them, to dip animals, humanoids and other monstrous creatures into eggs, sometimes even as adults, to give them the traits of the half-dragon template, or, with much more careful applications of the rituals, draconic sorcerer bloodline potential (and make them her loyal servants, for life).
And that's the secret right there, that many, perhaps even *most* of the half-dragons and draconic bloodline sorcerers running around are secretly loyal to their 'mothers,' and whatever adventures they undertake in some way serve the ambitions of this hidden circle of dragonesses.
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Necromancy!
Not really. Just thought of another wild theory...
Stuff has been written about Shelyn and Dou-Bral/Zon-Kuthons past and present relationships with each other and their father, currently known as The Prince in Chains, but little is said of their mother.
A goddess in her own right, this figure's name has been all but expunged from any records that might contain such. Sobriquet such as 'the Veiled Dancer' or 'the Hidden Flame' or 'the Dancing Heart' speak to her portfolio, over such things as courage, love, mystery and the night. Said to manifest only as a flash of limbs or lilting laughter in the darkness, she represented love that remains unspoken, secret affairs of the heart, and the courage that lies buried within each and every person, to rise up unexpected when needed.
Newcomer gods Cayden Cailean and Iomedae have laid claim to 'courage,' or, as their followers call them, bravery and valor, and Norgorber seems to have taken up mystery, or, at least, secrets, while her own children, Shelyn and Dou-Bral, embraced love, only for Dou-Bral to later become Zon-Kuthon, and instead take up her abandobed dominion over the night.
Multiple tales exist of what came of her, to cause her divine areas of concern to lie fallow. Some say that Zon-Kuthon caught her, and in an attempt to bind her to the same fate as his father, ended her life. Others say that she died of a broken heart, just hearing of the fate of her wolf-prince, or that Thron's first and only act of disobedience to his cruel son was to tear out the throat of his love when they captured her, so that she would not suffer his fate.
The wildest such theory, which surely must be false, if only because if mortals could speak of it, it could never fool a god such as Zon-Kuthon, who is said to seek her still to break upon the altar of his own pain and bind to his dark will, is that she abandoned love and dance and courage of the heart, but clung to mystery, spinning herself ever deeper into legend, now being known only as Sivanah.
God I love thread necromancy.
Dot. (Hey, it's not necromancy for me: Freehold got there first!)
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At least some Golem-workers in Magnimar 'cheat' by creating metal shells with lead lining, to block attempts at divining the true nature of their 'clockwork' servitors, who are powered entirely by necromantically animated skeletons of various 'unsavory' humanoid races, such as goblins, hobgoblins, orcs and ogres.
All throughout Magnimar, otherwise respectable citizens are unwittingly using undead to perform domestic and menial labor in their homes and businesses.
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I've been thinking on one for a while now. Mengkare is actually a blue dragon disguised as a gold dragon. Blue dragons crave servitude, and Mengkare certainly has that. Also, blue dragons come from deserts, and the "red sandstone walls" of Promise could be to remind him of home. It is also mentioned that Promise has an undercurrent of fear and the charred corpses that occasionally may not be the work of pirates.
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Fact 1:Razmir says he has passed the Test of the Star Stone, despite there clearly being no indication in Absalom that he has.
Fact 2: Norgorber passed the Test of the Star Stone, yet we do not know his true nature. Indeed, to even discover his true nature is to rob him of his power.
Fact 3: Most deities cannot directly influence the mortal plane like a mortal can.
Fact 4: Razmir destroyed a whole city overnight, which is an act of mass murder.
Fact 5: Norgorber is the god of murder.
Conclusion: I smell the scent of treachery and deception! In truth, Razmir IS Norgorber and Norgorber IS Razmir! Norgorber has gotten around the deity acting on the material plane ban by pretending to be a mortal pretending to be a god!
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One current theory is that the Runelord of Pride has already returned, and is behind the Razmir set-up. Furthermore, he was also behind the Peacock Spirit set-up back in the day (Thassilon). Relevant to this is the fact that he was one of only two Runelords who held their positions from the time of Xin to the fall of Thassilon.
1. Dwarves regularly steal human women, because their own are so ugly.
2. Halflings are heretical pagans, making bloodied sacrifices to the ancient god-beasts of Avistan...that's why the earth around their villages is always so fertile....
2. Asmodeus could have killed Sarenrae several times. During the war between the gods of war and chaos, even during the caging of Rovagug. But he hasn't.
It is said in the first days, Ihys and Asmodeus had no true gender and that their relationship was one of chaos and reason and passion...and that a child may or may not have been created...and that out of some twisted love (but still overwhelmed by his eternal hate), Asmodeus continues to look out for his daughter...
3. The elves of Kyonin are okay. But the elves of Sovyrian are vicious racists, viewing themselves as the supreme species in the universe. It is said that in the elven lands of Castrovel, there is a vast underclass of human slaves, descendants of children stolen from Golarion. There are many elves among the courts and halls of El who desire nothing more than to reconquer the lands of the Inner Sea and enslave its people...
Rakshasas make a great conspiracy target. They're shapeshifters, semi-immortal, foreigners as far as the Inner Sea is concerned, mind-readers/manipulators, illusionists, and generally obsessed with controlling everything they can.
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Rakshasas make a great conspiracy target. They're shapeshifters, semi-immortal, foreigners as far as the Inner Sea is concerned, mind-readers/manipulators, illusionists, and generally obsessed with controlling everything they can.
Golarion is called the Cage... the Rakshasa Rajahs of Eberron are imprisoned in Khyber...
Golarion is KHYBER!
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Rakshasas make a great conspiracy target. They're shapeshifters, semi-immortal, foreigners as far as the Inner Sea is concerned, mind-readers/manipulators, illusionists, and generally obsessed with controlling everything they can.
Here's a notion for animal-headed Osirioni 'god-kings,' who just happen to be rakshasa...
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Oh, you want a Golarion conspiracy theory? Well, lemme lay this one on ya:
What race are the only three gods to ascend via the Test of the Starstone? Human, human, and presumed human (I suppose Norgorber could be a dwarf but come on, you already imagined him as a human, didn't you).
What god raised the Starstone and created the Test to determine who got to be a god? Aroden.
What was Aroden the god of? Humanity.
The Starstone test is rigged - and only humans, the favored race of the racial deity who made the answer key, are capable of passing it. Every elf, gnome, and dwarf who tries is doomed to fail from the start.
Norgorber is the god of secrets.
Aroden's death is a secret to all except Pharasma.
Thus, Norgorber IS Aroden or the one who killed the god of humanity. ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!
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'Prophets' of the Kalistocracy wear those white gloves and heavy robes to cover up as much of their skin as possible, to hide the transformation. The special 'dietary restrictions' also fuel that change, as the adapt the bodies of those they possess to their own nutritional requirements.
And by 'dietary restrictions' I mean 'soylent green is people.'
Priests of Razmir cover up their faces for a similar reasons. Razmiran is where Kalistocrats whose transformation has gone too far and made their faces unrecognizable end up being transferred. The nations of Druma and Razmiran are stages one and two, in a long, long game, started on another world, and only the elves of Kyonin, themselves familiar with alien threats, would recognize the faces beneath some of those masks...
Recently, people who have had the shades of those who have died bound to them, called Spiritualists, have been discovered. But how could anyone escape the powerful pull of the river of souls?
Unless, of course, Pharasma has a secret plan for the phantoms and the mortals they are bound to?
Recently, people who have had the shades of those who have died bound to them, called Spiritualists, have been discovered. But how could anyone escape the powerful pull of the river of souls?
Unless, of course, Pharasma has a secret plan for the phantoms and the mortals they are bound to?
Phantoms, which are the spirits that accompany spiritualists, are the souls of beings that have been infused with the essence of the Ethereal Plane, and as such are beings that while despite incorporeal souls of an dead being, are not undead. And while the pull of the River of Souls is powerful, Pharasma and most of the gods care little for the disappearance of a few souls.
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Phantoms, which are the spirits that accompany spiritualists, are the souls of beings that have been infused with the essence of the Ethereal Plane, and as such are beings that while despite incorporeal souls of an dead being, are not undead. And while the pull of the River of Souls is powerful, Pharasma and most of the gods care little for the disappearance of a few souls.Recently, people who have had the shades of those who have died bound to them, called Spiritualists, have been discovered. But how could anyone escape the powerful pull of the river of souls?
Unless, of course, Pharasma has a secret plan for the phantoms and the mortals they are bound to?
Well, I can certainly see that you've bought into the Pharasman Propaganda machine whole-heartedly. Hopefully one day you'll open your eyes to the truth.