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Erik Mona wrote:
Do people want more horses?
That's an interesting question.
Erik Mona wrote:
I would be interested in each of these. Realistically, I'd only be interested in multiples of the donkey.
I think Berk the Black has spotted something. The single curve tentacle is on the left in both views. The curvy "W" tentacle is on the right in both views. Either way, it's still a cool looking mini.
(I could be wrong. There seems to be some blending of colors.)
Arcane Pillar makes a versatile piece that can be used in just about any dungeon encounter.
Awesome! This is a really cool piece.
I like the idea of running a gauntlet of three sets of these, in which crossing the plane of the inward-facing runes causes some kind of horrific magical effect. Fun!
The Arcane Pillar is a randomly inserted dungeon dressing piece that takes the place of an uncommon figure. While collation is never guaranteed, the idea is that each case should include at least one of them.
So, one per case x six pillars to run the gauntlet x ($399.99 + $30 shipping per case) = $2,579.94. That's way out of my budget.
Unfortunately a great piece with a crappy distribution. I do expect to see this as a repaint, maybe even right away like the beds in the last set. I'll look for them on the secondary market, I'm guessing for around $12 to $15. Expensive for multiple of a simple mini, but in the range of consideration.
Mikko Kallio wrote:
I have a few questions to everyone who's played or run the scenario: How many Respect Points did your group get? Which tests did they succeed at and which did they fail? Did they come up with any out-of-the-box solutions in the encounters or alternative approaches when talking to Jiraku? Which combat encounter was the toughest of the three and why? Did any PCs die? Thanks in advance!
I've run this four times now. I doubled the number of info cards the last run and it added a lot. (also, I added them to GM Shared Prep)
1st table was four players playing up. Lost points at all trail encounters, some bad choices, some bad rolls. I am very literal with the players at encounter A2. When they describe what they do, like "I strike the gong", I make that player roll for it (it broke-they laughed!). This party came closest to a PC death with the first combat. The poison hit hard. This party also had a hard time with the second combat. Had some bad rolls and lost some respect points in the library. In the end, they had just one point. (However, I missed the starting at 10). Because of two near deaths, they chose to leave. Everything just felt right at this table. They could see the results of their decision and were fine with it.
2nd and 3rd tables are a GenCon blur. One low, one high. Both earned plenty of respect points. One had profession(cook) and blew the roll - LOL.
Last table last weekend. Very experienced players - a VL and several GMs who don't get to play much. Had a lot of fun. Six players including two pregens (kenetisist and brawler I think) playing low tier. Party, broke the gong, burned the rice, missed the library, and smashed temple walls. Before running this time I was reminded by the author about deducting points based on other actions, so they lost points for smashing the walls. Ended with 7-9 points. They almost decided to fight but out of respect, left instead. The after scenario debrief was very satisfying for all involved.
joe kirner wrote:
Starting with 10 is too easy. Party has to be total disrespectful, murder hobos and burn the place down tp get low enuff to fight jiraku.
Agree 100%. I'd start at 5 at the most. Makes earning the boon feel like they earned it. Zero is probably too low.
Also, as the PCs explore the temple, I have them take turns just like we're in combat except initiative is simply going around the table. Movement and actions count (with a lot of 'close enough'). It is really interesting to watch a party this way. If you simply asked the group, 'what are you doing', you're only going to get group answers and group movement. In contrast, two of my four tables had their PCs scattered all over the map doing their own thing during the exploration portion. It made the second combat a lot more realistic as players commented 'well, they did have time to observe us'.
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Order of the Amber Die wrote:
Oh my! That's a battle mat. You're going to erase all that (30+ hours) of work. It will be gone. It might already be. Wow. I thought you drew that out on gaming paper or something. You are really
I've run this four times now -- three at GenCon and this afternoon.
I've had two fights on the ledge. One PC near the stairs, the rest at the along the path. Had the snakes attack from above. Worked fine. Actually the first time, one PC was all alone at the stairs and the rest not even on the narrow ledge. Higher tier. Lone PC almost didn't survive.
2. How upfront have you guys been about the testing? It'll be obvious once I start to track Respect that something's afoot and since so much depends on all the little mistakes the characters can do on while on the trail, some kind of need-to-know basis could be established I guess. Metagaming is a b!~%# though.
Didn't mention the tracking until after the adventure. They didn't 'know' that I was tracking their actions but most players did their best to keep to the rules. At the end, I would wrap up with were they gained and lost points. Players really liked that. Also, in the final encounter just before the question I had the adversary include in their speel stuff like "I saw you when you ..." then mention a good or bad thing they did. Several times after I mentioned something the players didn't do I've had a player comment saying 'we did that'. That was quickly followed by several player reminding them that they actually didn't.
3. Since I'm running it in a con environment and newcomers are a possibility, the flavourful start with Tanbaru, Ranpassarad and the Hao Jin shenanigans is sure to be a lot to stomach for someone not in the know. Any ideas how to present it concisely, what to focus on and what to not? I ran The Glass River Rescue to 3 newcomers a few years back and gotta admit that they didn't come back after that. There was just too much world information, politics and metaplot. Don't wanna repeat that.
Hopefully you will have some experienced players at your table to bring along any newbees. I made a large stack of knowledge cards. Any time the PCs succeeded a knowledge check I gave them the card. Instead of me telling them what they know, they get to read the card and give the info to the rest of the party as they see fit. As a side benefit, it saved my voice some. It also can be interesting when a player reads a card, but doesn't know the whole story. One player described the weapon marks in the courtyard that a battle had taken place there.
Pretty anxious about running this!
Good luck. Have fun. I've averaged just over four hours of run time.
James McTeague wrote:
I liked it and I used it today. I downloaded the .docx and modified it. I wanted the monster stats but didn't want to print out the items as well.
Note: I confirmed this with the author. There is a copy and paste error on page 13. "if reduced to 25 or fewer" should be "if reduced to 15 or fewer" in subtier 3-4.
For the respect point tracking sheet. I also used it and liked it. It might be helpful to add an "other" or blank spot for situations that arise from "At the GM’s discretion, the PCs may lose or earn Respect Points if they perform other actions that seem to follow or violate the spirit of the rules of the trail."
Aerick-Order of the Amber Die wrote:
It IS rough. But it's right, according to the developers who have said on several threads that the AP encounters are scaled to a party of 4 characters with 15-point builds. We play to the author's intent, so the same goes for the developers' intent. Your reaction is spot on--fear of death is quite prevalent for us, just like a horror game should be!
It seems to me even if you're running to the authors and developers intent with the 15-point buy, you're going to be starting the second AP at a distinct disadvantage as you're going to very gold and magic poor. I think this is going to give you a much higher risk of death than the AP intends. This will snow-ball into to later APs.
I read as of a week ago, there were only 150 or so tables not reported yet, and we should wait. I see that one of my tables hasn't been reported yet. Still in progress or is it time to poke the bear?
Note: As others have mentioned, this is way better than in years past when it took months to get far fewer GenCon tables reported.
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
The middle version is the times we have had up until this year.
OK, I see a flaw in my logic if they are playing the first slot and running the second. But PFS did run under the middle schedule for years and I don't remember a lot of scrambling between the first and second slot after GMs were scheduled to the same table both slots.
Again, there are several options.
I'm for any schedule that doesn't start before 8:00 am and ends by midnight. The evening specials need the five hours they have been allotted. This year's scenarios standard seemed to run not more than 4 1/2 hours. That hasn't always been true in the past.
Each of these:
Jeff Hazuka wrote:
Stayed at the Marriott 2 or 3 years with Paizo. Never had a queen bed. YMMV.
AC - It was very cool in the Sagamore. I also didn't bring a sweatshirt or long sleeve shirt. I don't know if Paizo can do anything about the AC.
* Landscape printing
* Minimal Margins
* Larger Font
* Print on Two Pages
Finally, I had a great time and I think the HQ staff did a great job. Bob was on top of things keeping us up to date with his emails and scheduling our slots. Thank You!
-Just My Thoughts
P.S. Did I mention that the slot times and ending at 1:00 am was a killer?
I've made some reference cards to pass out at the beginning of the slot to help players quickly pick a pregen. You can find the file on the GM Shared Prep site Here.
Question: I've included a blurp on Evidence Points. I'm hoping that it may speed up the adventure if the understand them. What do you think? Should that info be included?
I played this at Paizocon UK at the weekend with what I assume is that post US Paizocon updated version. We had something like 20 tables running of which maybe 2 or 3 seemed to finish on time. Most still ran well over with reports of some hitting 7 hours+.
Ouch! Were the slots 5 hours? As the Gen Con session is scheduled to end at 1:00 am, I'm looking at ways to make sure this fits in the 5 hour slot.
Are the players going to be provided with the pregens before the slot begins, like online, or it's all table time for the players to look over and pick the pregens? (I know that if they are available online, most players will still not have seen them before they are at the table.)
Bob Jonquet wrote:
John, Linda, & Tonya are working diligently to get all new materials to the GMs ASAP. The hope is everything will be done by the 22nd. Of course, sometimes sh*t happens and its possible something could be later than that, but so far, they have been releasing scenarios a little at a time and a head of schedule so just keep your eyes on your email for that Paizo notice.
Any update on ETA?
Also, in my downloads, there is a note that I will be receiving 8-02 (which I'm scheduled to run at Gen Con) when it's ready, however, I don't see a note for 7-99 Through Maelstrom Rift. Should I be concerned? Am I not on the list to receive 7-99?
Robert Love wrote:
Has anyone received the Friday night 8-00 The Cosmic Captive or Saturday night Special yet. We are under 3 weeks till GENCON I would like some time to prepare and print maps off.
Historically, scenarios are dropped the Friday before GenCon. The community has been asking for years for more time. So far this year at least two of the scenarios have been sent out. That's fantasist.
OK, I'm at a loss. From everything I've read, this looks like its going to be a great adventure. However, I need ideas how to play the BBEG.
"... leaps from hanging bookshelf to suspended tables in order to keep out of reach while debilitating the PCs."
I've never played a psychic and I may have seen one in played once, so this line doesn't help me run him. I don't want the final encounter for this adventure at my table to be dull and boring. I just need some ideas what are the best attacks/actions for this psychic.
Any help and ideas are greatly appreciated. The Stat Blocks and Adventures Notes from the GMPrep site have been very helpful - having the spells and abilities right there with the creatures. Thanks.
JERRY WAYNE 333 wrote:
OK, you should be banned from GenCon. Deliberately making all us hard working GMs look bad. I'm hoping just to be able to make a pawn of him. That mini is going to look awesome!
After you play one or two of the "evergreen" scenarios (they're called that because you can replay them with a difference PC, whereas you typically can't replay a scenario) play one or more of the low tier ones:
PFS #7-10: The Consortium Compact (Level 1-2) (evergreen)
If you don't want to worry about creating a PC, you can play last years' or this years' Pregen Specials. Pregenerated PCs are provided and you can apply the credit to your current PC when you hit the appropriate level.
PFS #6-98: Serpents' Rise (Level 7) - last year's
Pregen Specials new for this year
PFS Special #7-98: Serpents' Ire
Geoffrey Peart wrote:
Thanks GP. Obviously I missed that.
In the final encounter area:
What if the BBEG uses the tactic of dropping a piece of furniture/lab equipment on a PC. What should I do? Roll a to hit? Reflex save? What kind of damage?
If a piece of equipment has been successfully dropped on a PC, what do they need to do to escape? Str check and DC? Escape Artist?
Thanks xebeche for your excellent work.
I’ve created some “Evidence Cards” to provide to the players as they earn evidence points. The cards contain notes and some background information that generally only the GMs get to see. I hope these will get the players more involved in the evidence gathering and adventure.
Relevant Room Description "The room constricts near the middle where a low, stepped platform formally partitions the two halves."
I don't think that the two triangles are platforms that hang above the room. I think they are solid. If they're not solid then the room can not be divided into two halves. Also, that also makes sense with the text stating that "the walkway terminates in twenty-foot ladder".
You're spot on with your dotted line description. I still have no idea what the dotted lines on the two triangles represent. If I were to guess (and only a guess), I'd speculate the dotted lines represent something left over from an earlier version of the room.
The dotted lines represent fixtures that are suspended on the ceiling and can be lowered to obstruct the PC's movement.
It doesn't look that way to me. The 12 pieces of furniture are already accounted for with the other lines. It looks like a continuation of the walkway - but the text states the walkway ends.
Map question for D2
The triangle pieces to the east and west (top and bottom). Are those large solid rock/wall with an observation deck on top OR are they triangular decks with open space below?
What are the dotted line on the triangle platforms? The walkway 'terminates' at the ladder, so I don't think they are a continuation of the walkway. They also don't correspond with the 12 pieces of furniture that go up and down. (I going to use my bar minis for these)
Thinking about building part of this 3D.
John Compton wrote:
Will the PaizoCon version be sent the the GenCon GMs soon so we can start preping? I know a final version might not come until right before GenCon. Last year receiving Serpent's Rise shortly after PaizoCon was very helpful.
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
The other aspect is so that people who don't want to sit at a table with children/learners will know in advance to avoid a given sign-up (or to sign up to GM to help bring in the next group of gamers to the Society play)
I believe the intention in having a table designated as PSA indicates that its aimed at kids learning to play. Kids who know how to play PFS can play at any PFS table with appropriate content. In other words you can not exclude a kid who knows how to play from a PFS table just because they are a kid.
Alexander Augunas wrote:
It was explained in a way that there's no real difference between a PSA table and a PFS table, and a PSA table can be CORE or standard. The only real difference is whether or not you choose to allow young gamers at your table; basically, if a kid is at your table its PSA. If there's no kid its not.
I'm not sure that this is accurate. Just because a gamer is a kid, doesn't mean that they must be at a PSA table. I've played with some kids who know more about the game then many adults. The only time I would consider asking a kid not to play a scenario is if I felt the content of the scenario was not appropriate for them. Otherwise, I think you need to allow kids at a table.
Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
Very interesting indeed. Nope, never saw that blog (12/2012). However, I did look it up in the latest CRB pdf. With all this talk about errata, I wonder how many printings of the CRB have been done since that blog came out? That errata hasn't made it to the CRB pdf yet. The current version of the CRB pdf is May 2013. That's where I went to compare prices.
With the latest release of errata, this time for Ultimate Equipment, it seems like Paizo has lost sight from where they came and who has built Pathfinder to be the premier RPG game. Pathfinder was born, literally, from the ashes of D&D 3.5 as WoTC tried to burn all traces of it. Lead by the visionaries from the core staff at Paizo, Pathfinder was built by its fans. Based on the OGL and SRD, a beta copy, available as a free download, was sold to eager fans at GenCon 2008. Through open play testing, feedback from hundreds of dedicated fans, and a dialogue between developers and gamers, Pathfinder was honed, refined and delivered at GenCon 2009.
Over the years, through additional play testing, the gamers and developers have continued to expand the Pathfinder game. Through play testing, author open calls and the RPG Superstar contest, we the fans and gamers feel empowered and take part ownership to the Pathfinder game system. The writers and developers of Paizo guide us and refine our efforts as the system grows. It’s our game, and it’s been a good partnership, gamer and developer.
Through the past few releases of errata, it seems like Paizo has forgotten how Pathfinder was built. With no apparent gamer input, chunks of our game have experienced drastic changes. Where many would say sharp chisel and soft mallet, or a fine brush and a steady hand are needed to reshape some item, class or feat, it feels like Paizo has swung a dull axe. Often missing the mark, destroying instead of shaping its target.
These drastic changes hurt. They hurt PCs, they hurt the players who have invested so much time creating and playing the PCs. They hurt the community-Paizo relationship. They hurt even more because the community seems to have no say in the changes. The pain is slow to subside because the Paizo developers rarely reply directly to the questions and concerns raised by the players in response to the changes.
These are opportunities lost for Paizo to make better improvement/errata with gamer input. Opportunities lost to improve Paizo's relationship with it's community.
Paizo is a business. Run by daring, creative individuals. They must be profitable for our Pathfinder game to continue. But please don’t forget the partnership that has built Pathfinder over the past eight years.
We ask that Paizo asks the gaming community for feedback on possible changes before they are committed to print. Once the commitment has been made to ink and paper, future changes are much more difficult.
I look forward to the continual growth of Pathfinder, led by Paizo, built by the community, over the next eight years.
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