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Tome of Dungeons, featuring the Slayer and Daredevil, along with awakened ooze and gargoyle ancestries!

Saga Lands setting book!

Invaders From the Dark, a 1-10 Numeria AP!

Starfinder-wise, Beginner Box and Galactic Arsenals!

(I haven't had a chance to really get in depth into everything, but I figured it'd be good to have a thread for this over here- folks are welcome to chime in with more.)

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Since the last PF campaign I played was a 2E conversion of Shattered Star, I'm really hoping that Magnimar gets included in the Varisia section of Lost Omens: Saga Lands. Very interested to see how it's developed after everything that's transpired!

Also REALLY excited for the PF/SF crossover AP! James Jacobs did mention in a related thread that there isn't a plan to have this as a "two-parter", but I will still hope for a thematic 11-20 successor for Starfinder.


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Genuinely cannot wait for the Numeria AP. Such a neat piece of the setting I never see get enough attention


The Gargoyle ancestry has of course been on my wishlist for ages, but I'm excited for the Numeria AP and the Saga Lands! If there's anything I'm disappointed in it's that they won't be out for another year.

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With Gargoyles he referenced Jonathan Frakes, which... I mean if that is a red-herring and there's no flavor from that I will be a bit broken hearted, but I am curious about the Gargoyles.

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What's Galactic Arsenals about? Is that a treasure vault equivalent for starfinder?

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It's a run down of major non-planetary powers, like corps and gangs and such, and lots of items and weapons and SHIPS to correspond to them.


Zoken44 wrote:
With Gargoyles he referenced Jonathan Frakes, which... I mean if that is a red-herring and there's no flavor from that I will be a bit broken hearted, but I am curious about the Gargoyles.

Honestly I wonder if he misspoke and meant Keith David, since Frakes' character was very much not a gargoyle. I'm sure there'll be a little influence there, but mostly I want to see Paizo's version of things. It would be hard to make 'you turn into a statue as soon as the sun dawns even if you're 30 feet underground' work for a PC, after all, and the TV show's cultural worldbuilding like 'they don't use names among themselves' or wind ceremonies might be an awkward fit. Still, I'll be happy if we could see a little green gargoyle inventor somewhere...

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LoreMonger13 wrote:

Since the last PF campaign I played was a 2E conversion of Shattered Star, I'm really hoping that Magnimar gets included in the Varisia section of Lost Omens: Saga Lands. Very interested to see how it's developed after everything that's transpired!

Also REALLY excited for the PF/SF crossover AP! James Jacobs did mention in a related thread that there isn't a plan to have this as a "two-parter", but I will still hope for a thematic 11-20 successor for Starfinder.

Indeed, "Invaders from the Dark" is entirely presented as a self-contained story that doesn't need a successor. Given the fact that Golarion isn't actually in Starfinder (and thus neither is Numeria), a direct successor in Starfinder doesn't make sense. If folks love Invaders, though, perhaps we'll do more Numeria stuff for Pathfinder in the future? Time will tell!


Does we got any details about new releases on Level Up Your Pathfinder Game or all news were on Keynote?


Excited about all of this! Awakened oozes sound like they'll be fun, and I dig a book that sounds like it's all about old-fashioned dungeon exploration.


GenCon not allowing (?) live-streaming the events is a bit of a bummer, but I'm looking forward to being able to see more of what was talked about after GenCon is over and the recordings are posted!


James Jacobs wrote:
LoreMonger13 wrote:

Since the last PF campaign I played was a 2E conversion of Shattered Star, I'm really hoping that Magnimar gets included in the Varisia section of Lost Omens: Saga Lands. Very interested to see how it's developed after everything that's transpired!

Also REALLY excited for the PF/SF crossover AP! James Jacobs did mention in a related thread that there isn't a plan to have this as a "two-parter", but I will still hope for a thematic 11-20 successor for Starfinder.

Indeed, "Invaders from the Dark" is entirely presented as a self-contained story that doesn't need a successor. Given the fact that Golarion isn't actually in Starfinder (and thus neither is Numeria), a direct successor in Starfinder doesn't make sense. If folks love Invaders, though, perhaps we'll do more Numeria stuff for Pathfinder in the future? Time will tell!

This feels like a bit of a tease for allowing certain tech from Numeria or even character options from Numeria that were from 1e


Dare I ask how will an ooze ancestry even work ^^; ?

I'm gonna need some explanation on how a giant cube can wield weapons, y'know :P

Given how God of War Laufey will feature a cube called Phranque, played by Jack Quaid, this will somewhat be required XD


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JiCi wrote:

Dare I ask how will an ooze ancestry even work ^^; ?

I'm gonna need some explanation on how a giant cube can wield weapons, y'know :P

Given how God of War Laufey will feature a cube called Phranque, played by Jack Quaid, this will somewhat be required XD

I'm assuming anthropomorphic oozes like plasmoids in 5e

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JiCi wrote:

Dare I ask how will an ooze ancestry even work ^^; ?

I'm gonna need some explanation on how a giant cube can wield weapons, y'know :P

Given how God of War Laufey will feature a cube called Phranque, played by Jack Quaid, this will somewhat be required XD

Pseudopods!


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I'm looking forward to people playing ooze summoners that are, themselves, oozes.

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ornathopter wrote:
I'm looking forward to people playing ooze summoners that are, themselves, oozes.

And a Spellslime Familiar to really round things out xD

Also cackling at the idea of an Awakened Ooze Ooze Summoner using Meld with Eidolon!

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We already had this with Constructs and Undead too.
And kind of with Awakened Animal and the Beast eidolon.

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Going a bit further away, Geniekin and Nephilim are there too. As well as Dragonblood.


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Now I'm picturing a whole party of Summoners who summon each others' clade. Automaton summons an abberation, Fleshwarp summons an undead, Skeleton summons a fey, and the Sprite summons a Construct. Confusion abounds!


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TheTownsend wrote:
Now I'm picturing a whole party of Summoners who summon each others' clade. Automaton summons an abberation, Fleshwarp summons an undead, Skeleton summons a fey, and the Sprite summons a Construct. Confusion abounds!

If only there were some sort of designation to tell who's with whom, say a matching symbol, a sigil they bear, maybe even ones that glow.

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Castilliano wrote:
TheTownsend wrote:
Now I'm picturing a whole party of Summoners who summon each others' clade. Automaton summons an abberation, Fleshwarp summons an undead, Skeleton summons a fey, and the Sprite summons a Construct. Confusion abounds!
If only there were some sort of designation to tell who's with whom, say a matching symbol, a sigil they bear, maybe even ones that glow.

That's what those are really for then.

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The Raven Black wrote:
Castilliano wrote:
TheTownsend wrote:
Now I'm picturing a whole party of Summoners who summon each others' clade. Automaton summons an abberation, Fleshwarp summons an undead, Skeleton summons a fey, and the Sprite summons a Construct. Confusion abounds!
If only there were some sort of designation to tell who's with whom, say a matching symbol, a sigil they bear, maybe even ones that glow.
That's what those are really for then.

Sort of!

The original reason we decided to go with this was also to give ourselves a visual clue that we cloud represent in art that it wasn't just a plain old bear or dragon or demon, but a summoner's ally.


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James Jacobs wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Castilliano wrote:
TheTownsend wrote:
Now I'm picturing a whole party of Summoners who summon each others' clade. Automaton summons an abberation, Fleshwarp summons an undead, Skeleton summons a fey, and the Sprite summons a Construct. Confusion abounds!
If only there were some sort of designation to tell who's with whom, say a matching symbol, a sigil they bear, maybe even ones that glow.
That's what those are really for then.

Sort of!

The original reason we decided to go with this was also to give ourselves a visual clue that we cloud represent in art that it wasn't just a plain old bear or dragon or demon, but a summoner's ally.

The way it's written in 2e read to me mostly as turning to the camera and saying "look, we know you're gonna want to pretend that you're being attacked by a dragon and you're chasing it away, because you're an adventurer and you wanna scam naive townsfolk and then leave with their money. We know you're going to want to do that, but please don't, ok?"


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JiCi wrote:

Dare I ask how will an ooze ancestry even work ^^; ?

I'm gonna need some explanation on how a giant cube can wield weapons, y'know :P

Given how God of War Laufey will feature a cube called Phranque, played by Jack Quaid, this will somewhat be required XD

Presumably they will be able to manipulate their shape so you probably get a bunch of pseudopods like the new ooze eidolon.


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It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the awakened ooze ancestry involves a way to be humanoid for stretches, you just need to sleep in a bucket like Odo.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:
It genuinely wouldn't surprise me if the awakened ooze ancestry involves a way to be humanoid for stretches, you just need to sleep in a bucket like Odo.

Given the popular slime anime, yep, either learning to adopt the form of one or even being innately humanoid-shaped (being as a PC has to fit into civil society (or at least the option!)). Plus they'll mostly want to access basic equipment and such.

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ornathopter wrote:

Honestly I wonder if he misspoke and meant Keith David, since Frakes' character was very much not a gargoyle. I'm sure there'll be a little influence there, but mostly I want to see Paizo's version of things. It would be hard to make 'you turn into a statue as soon as the sun dawns even if you're 30 feet underground' work for a PC, after all, and the TV show's cultural worldbuilding like 'they don't use names among themselves' or wind ceremonies might be an awkward fit. Still, I'll be happy if we could see a little green gargoyle inventor somewhere...

Especially if that little green gargoyle inventor finally got a boyfriend.

I wanted to mention the Frakes/David confusion, but felt it would be too "Um... actually..." of me to do.

ANd yeah, they're not going to retcon in the gargoyles lore, but they get creative with feat names, like an intimidation feat called "A gargoyle doesn't whine, he roars" or maybe just something called "Jalapeno!"

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Justnobodyfqwl wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Castilliano wrote:
TheTownsend wrote:
Now I'm picturing a whole party of Summoners who summon each others' clade. Automaton summons an abberation, Fleshwarp summons an undead, Skeleton summons a fey, and the Sprite summons a Construct. Confusion abounds!
If only there were some sort of designation to tell who's with whom, say a matching symbol, a sigil they bear, maybe even ones that glow.
That's what those are really for then.

Sort of!

The original reason we decided to go with this was also to give ourselves a visual clue that we cloud represent in art that it wasn't just a plain old bear or dragon or demon, but a summoner's ally.

The way it's written in 2e read to me mostly as turning to the camera and saying "look, we know you're gonna want to pretend that you're being attacked by a dragon and you're chasing it away, because you're an adventurer and you wanna scam naive townsfolk and then leave with their money. We know you're going to want to do that, but please don't, ok?"

And now we know what Summons are actually for.


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Summons are capped at a minute; Illusory Creature is where it's at! (... Just don't ask the dragon to interact with any objects.)


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Or, yaknow, just have a different member of your party be the one who does the chasing while you hide around a corner so nobody can see your eidolon symbol.

Or be out in the open and claim to be "a thrall of the monster" or some such; you've got high charisma. It's very doable.

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Or just do all of this at the same time so that the town is attacked by Goblins and Dragons and Giants in close succession.

It's Sandpoint in the original RotRL all over again.

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