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We'll be getting an Automaton Runesmith and an Iruxi Necromancer (which I now want to see if they can summon giant dinosaur fossils :D ).
We still have no Leshy iconic... despite Paizo's sudden pivot to make them a core ancestry...
Are Leshies still niche? Has their popularity faded out? Are they waiting for a more nature-friendly class to be added?
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Really.
I'm happy to see non-core iconics, and if that means not artificially rushing a leshy iconic, that seems okay. That doesn't mean leshy is unpopular - we regularly get shown them in NPC art for adventures or books. The last three Paizo Lives have featured new leshy art.
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I can't go to a PFS game without hearing people complain and/or joke about Rain in Cloudy Day.
No way is that guy not an iconic leshy.
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Do we have a necromancer iconic yet?
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Do we have a necromancer iconic yet?
They're on the cover of Impossible Magic! An iruxi, which also means we'll be getting some cool non-human skeleton art.
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Do we have a necromancer iconic yet?They're on the cover of Impossible Magic! An iruxi, which also means we'll be getting some cool non-human skeleton art.
Iruxi necromancer? Ok. I'm still good.
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Really.
I'm happy to see non-core iconics, and if that means not artificially rushing a leshy iconic, that seems okay. That doesn't mean leshy is unpopular - we regularly get shown them in NPC art for adventures or books. The last three Paizo Lives have featured new leshy art.
Well, not really asking to force a Leshy, but there were good ways to add one...
- A nature-themed Animist- A Peachchild Leshy Examplar of Shizuru, with a Japanese wandering warrior design
- A Wood Kineticist / Phytokineticist... although I heard that Paizo wanted a new face, but swap back to P1E's iconic.
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Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
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Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
That is if we get more classes. That's also something to consider.
A Leshy iconic can happen, but it's still weird that we haven't seen one ever since they were promoted to core.
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Given that Animist is particularly based on real-world beliefs, I think there's especial reason to not go with a "sillier" ancestry.
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Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
That is if we get more classes. That's also something to consider.
A Leshy iconic can happen, but it's still weird that we haven't seen one ever since they were promoted to core.
AFAIK there's a playtest coming up, and those are almost always new classes. So I think we can expect a couple more classes.
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Well, not really asking to force a Leshy, but there were good ways to add one...
- A nature-themed Animist
- A Peachchild Leshy Examplar of Shizuru, with a Japanese wandering warrior design
- A Wood Kineticist / Phytokineticist... although I heard that Paizo wanted a new face, but swap back to P1E's iconic.
Blue Spruce is my 'Pine Needle' Leaf Leshy, an Air/Wood Kineticist (PFS).
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It's been hinted repeatedly that bone magic is a big deal for [Iruxi].
Isn't that also the case for Kholo?
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Aww, I was rooting (no pun intended) for a Leshy Necromancer iconic! I still think it could have been cute- using the themes of natural decay and plant life to make a less "dark" Necromancer is a popular trope these days.
I could see this as being a way for Necromancers to turn over a new leaf . . . .
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AFAIK there's a playtest coming up, and those are almost always new classes. So I think we can expect a couple more classes.Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
That is if we get more classes. That's also something to consider.
A Leshy iconic can happen, but it's still weird that we haven't seen one ever since they were promoted to core.
Hmmm...
- Arcanist? rolled into other classes;- Brawler? that's an archetype;
- Hunter? there's already the ranger;
- Medium? the animist is close to that;
- Mesmerist? I keep thinking that the entire class should be a Conscious Mind for the Psychic;
- Ninja? not necessary;
- Samurai? that can be an archetype;
- Shaman? that's also the animist;
- Shifter? that's the only class I can think of...
- Skald? that should be a "muse" for the Bard;
- Spiritualist? rolled into the Summoner;
Most of these could be exclusive archetypes, just like how we got the Bloodrager, Slayer and Inquisitor.
The Shifter, using Starfinder's evolutionist as its chassis, with various specializations, such as "plant", could work for a Leshy. It's also the only class I can think of ^^;
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- Shifter? that's the only class I can think of...
Pff, too bad iconics tend to be iconic about showing off their class fantasy rather than ironic. A plant being representing the class that transforms into animals and/or monsters might not be at the top of the list of options, but it would be pretty hilarious.
As much as leshy necromancer would have been fun for me personally (esp. fungus leshy), I'm glad we got our lizard bone shaman. Even moreso than kholo they've always been associated with bone magic to me (not that I would have minded a kholo necro either... what would have been wicked).| 4 people marked this as a favorite. |
Everyone was hoping for the Necromancer to be a Leshy, and here I was picturing a world where Nyctessa from Hell's Vengeance makes a return and the Runesmith was a Leshy!
Little potato guy in scribbled-on armor, their undeniable cuteness the only thing that can break through the dhampir's ingrained evil.
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I am also DYING for a leshy iconic!!!!
A Wayne Reynolds drawn leshy? Sigh me up! Maybe one of those upcoming playtest classes?
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We'll be getting an Automaton Runesmith and an Iruxi Necromancer (which I now want to see if they can summon giant dinosaur fossils :D ).
We still have no Leshy iconic... despite Paizo's sudden pivot to make them a core ancestry...
Are Leshies still niche? Has their popularity faded out? Are they waiting for a more nature-friendly class to be added?
Well Leshy are wall flowers but eventually one will step out into the sun and bloom into an iconic.
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Did they mention new playtests? I didn't watch the stream.
Maya hinted we'd be getting a playtest early this year in the Fall Errata 2025 thread.
We have a lot of things planned, including a playtest straight off!! So, we hope you all have a good year with us too ^_^Thanks for the update, Maya. :)
I get it. This has been a crazy year for Paizo, and this errata wasn't the highest priority. Hopefully things will be a bit calmer for all of you next year.
Link to that post can be found HERE.
Pff, too bad iconics tend to be iconic about showing off their class fantasy rather than ironic. A plant being representing the class that transforms into animals and/or monsters might not be at the top of the list of options, but it would be pretty hilarious.- Shifter? that's the only class I can think of...
retty sure they could get creative, with the shifting Leshy transforming into animals made of trees, bushes and hedges :)
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AFAIK there's a playtest coming up, and those are almost always new classes. So I think we can expect a couple more classes.Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
That is if we get more classes. That's also something to consider.
A Leshy iconic can happen, but it's still weird that we haven't seen one ever since they were promoted to core.
Hmmm...
- Arcanist? rolled into other classes;
- Brawler? that's an archetype;
- Hunter? there's already the ranger;
- Medium? the animist is close to that;
- Mesmerist? I keep thinking that the entire class should be a Conscious Mind for the Psychic;
- Ninja? not necessary;
- Samurai? that can be an archetype;
- Shaman? that's also the animist;
- Shifter? that's the only class I can think of...
- Skald? that should be a "muse" for the Bard;
- Spiritualist? rolled into the Summoner;Most of these could be exclusive archetypes, just like how we got the Bloodrager, Slayer and Inquisitor.
The Shifter, using Starfinder's evolutionist as its chassis, with various specializations, such as "plant", could work for a Leshy. It's also the only class I can think of ^^;
Does this not assume 1 to 1 parity with 1e, which they haven't been doing for a while now? Guardian and Commander do not have first party PF 1e class equivalents. Runesmith meanwhile has the Mesmerist gimmick of implanting magic into your allies/yourself, and while the name Necromancer has been around a lot this Necromancer in Pf 2e feels way different than any of the ones from PF 1e.
For all we know they could make like an Entropy Mage of Time and make it a Mushroom Leshy. The classes could very well be wildly different from anything we've seen yet and fit Leshy surprisingly well. Or heck, even be something wildly out of left field for what people might expect from a Leshy. Like a full on Mech Suit using class.
AFAIK there's a playtest coming up, and those are almost always new classes. So I think we can expect a couple more classes.Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
That is if we get more classes. That's also something to consider.
A Leshy iconic can happen, but it's still weird that we haven't seen one ever since they were promoted to core.
Hmmm...
- Arcanist? rolled into other classes;
- Brawler? that's an archetype;
- Hunter? there's already the ranger;
- Medium? the animist is close to that;
- Mesmerist? I keep thinking that the entire class should be a Conscious Mind for the Psychic;
- Ninja? not necessary;
- Samurai? that can be an archetype;
- Shaman? that's also the animist;
- Shifter? that's the only class I can think of...
- Skald? that should be a "muse" for the Bard;
- Spiritualist? rolled into the Summoner;Most of these could be exclusive archetypes, just like how we got the Bloodrager, Slayer and Inquisitor.
The Shifter, using Starfinder's evolutionist as its chassis, with various specializations, such as "plant", could work for a Leshy. It's also the only class I can think of ^^;
Does this not assume 1 to 1 parity with 1e, which they haven't been doing for a while now? Guardian and Commander do not have first party PF 1e class equivalents. Runesmith meanwhile has the Mesmerist gimmick of implanting magic into your allies/yourself, and while the name Necromancer has been around a lot this Necromancer in Pf 2e feels way different than any of the ones from PF 1e.
For all we know they could make like an Entropy Mage of Time and make it a Mushroom Leshy. The classes could very well be wildly different from anything we've seen yet and fit Leshy surprisingly well. Or heck, even be something wildly out...
I can name plenty of cool ideas and things I'd like, but it'd be surprising to be right.
Guessing what classes Paizo is going to put out is tricky at this point, and "concepts that they did before that still feel missing" is the best odds you're going to get.
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kind of wishing they'd drop hints like they did with the War of Immortals Play test, where they were teasing the iconics, talking about letters in the name.
I'm going to float the idea, what if it's another SF2e playtest? Evolutionist and Nanocyte!
For PF2e: Maybe Shifter and displacer (a class focused on teleporting)
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Oh I also wanted to say! I think there is still hope for a leshy iconic! While it's not currently in the works, several team members also want one. So maybe if we're loud enough, we can make it happen!
Just have to keep planting the seeds so they can take root in their imagination until it blooms with inspiration.
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...AFAIK there's a playtest coming up, and those are almost always new classes. So I think we can expect a couple more classes.Leshy are really popular so I'm sure it'll happen at some point. But I don't think the thinking is around when it feels right for the character.
But Leshy show up in so much stuff that its bound to happen.
That is if we get more classes. That's also something to consider.
A Leshy iconic can happen, but it's still weird that we haven't seen one ever since they were promoted to core.
Hmmm...
- Arcanist? rolled into other classes;
- Brawler? that's an archetype;
- Hunter? there's already the ranger;
- Medium? the animist is close to that;
- Mesmerist? I keep thinking that the entire class should be a Conscious Mind for the Psychic;
- Ninja? not necessary;
- Samurai? that can be an archetype;
- Shaman? that's also the animist;
- Shifter? that's the only class I can think of...
- Skald? that should be a "muse" for the Bard;
- Spiritualist? rolled into the Summoner;Most of these could be exclusive archetypes, just like how we got the Bloodrager, Slayer and Inquisitor.
The Shifter, using Starfinder's evolutionist as its chassis, with various specializations, such as "plant", could work for a Leshy. It's also the only class I can think of ^^;
Does this not assume 1 to 1 parity with 1e, which they haven't been doing for a while now? Guardian and Commander do not have first party PF 1e class equivalents. Runesmith meanwhile has the Mesmerist gimmick of implanting magic into your allies/yourself, and while the name Necromancer has been around a lot this Necromancer in Pf 2e feels way different than any of the ones from PF 1e.
For all we know they could make like an Entropy Mage of Time and make it a Mushroom Leshy. The classes could very well be wildly different from anything we've seen yet and fit Leshy surprisingly well. Or heck, even
A leshy biohacker would be pretty top notch.
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A mech using class would be amazing. I suspect it'd get made for SF rather than PF, but the image of a tiny leshy riding around in a green man-sized tree mech, or a big, skeletal fungal mech would be awesome!
Strength of Thousands book 1 has some Leshy doing this with a 10' plant "mech" that it controls. It's pretty fun. Just means there is precedent in Golarian!
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I would caution getting too hyped about the next playtest being classes. While we are due this years pathfinder class playtest sooner or later, there is still the starship combat playtest that was mentioned. If Paizo haven't changed their mind (and I really hope they haven't, I'd love them to stick the landing on the rules), that is probably the next playtest.
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Also WRT to iruxi necromancer I'm super glad that's what Paizo went with. It's a good way to have a "good" necromancer, since Iruxi have strong traditions about using the bones of their ancestors for good. It's definetly going to help give players inspiration for their own "good" necromancers. I was a bit worried when it was revealed it would end up like certain DnD subclasses that attract ... particular ... players.
I have stories about conquest paladins I could tell you all.
I would caution getting too hyped about the next playtest being classes. While we are due this years pathfinder class playtest sooner or later, there is still the starship combat playtest that was mentioned. If Paizo haven't changed their mind (and I really hope they haven't, I'd love them to stick the landing on the rules), that is probably the next playtest.
Personally, that would be incredibly disappointing.
If the leshy iconic "issue" (not really an issue, but let's pretend it's one) drag until pathfinder 3, Lini better start feeling nervous. Druid is *the* perfect fit for a leshy class, given that leshies were first created to be druid variant on the "craft construct", and then a druid specific familiar. And also, the whole plant/nature thing.
Anyway, off the top of my head, the class that don't exist yet that would most fit a leshy iconic would be a spontaneous primal spellcasting class (something which I'm still surprised animist didn't end up being), a primal bounded spellcasting class (which could be "shifter-lite"), an actual shifter class, or.... to completely sidestep the (admitedly very important to leshy) nature element and instead lean in the "discovery and curiosity" aspect of things and become an item based class, like an alchemist but for all other item instead of specifically alchemy and consumables. Altho I'm not too sure such class in the works, given that alchemist is already a bit controversial.
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I would caution getting too hyped about the next playtest being classes. While we are due this years pathfinder class playtest sooner or later, there is still the starship combat playtest that was mentioned. If Paizo haven't changed their mind (and I really hope they haven't, I'd love them to stick the landing on the rules), that is probably the next playtest.
You will see!!!!!
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I would caution getting too hyped about the next playtest being classes. While we are due this years pathfinder class playtest sooner or later, there is still the starship combat playtest that was mentioned. If Paizo haven't changed their mind (and I really hope they haven't, I'd love them to stick the landing on the rules), that is probably the next playtest.You will see!!!!!
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I would caution getting too hyped about the next playtest being classes. While we are due this years pathfinder class playtest sooner or later, there is still the starship combat playtest that was mentioned. If Paizo haven't changed their mind (and I really hope they haven't, I'd love them to stick the landing on the rules), that is probably the next playtest.You will see!!!!!
Just wanted to let Paizo know that it's okay to go ahead and release the playtest today. I am ready to see.
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Leshys are my new favorite playable species. I'm playing a Finadar root leshy anti-tech superstition barbarian named Grounded Root. As a root leshy, their main motivation is to stand their ground! The last scenario I played in ended up in a nice forest, so I'm playing a different character next game so Grounded Root can stand their ground for a while longer.
I think one problem with having a Leshy iconic is that there are so many types of Leshy to pick from. But if I had to pick one, it would be Root Leshy, and I stand my ground on that opinion.
There are 2 or 3 other players with Leshy characters in our local group, so they still seem pretty popular. It doesn't hurt that the Leshy minis look great.