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https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo70cy9Is the killing of the Andoran citizen in Breachill and the subsequent Andoran invasion of Isger that’s mentioned in the new article supposed to be the inciting incident of the war or is this separate?Gotta link? Hard to interpret a text sight unseen.
Thanks. I'd say there's a good chance that it is the inciting incident, yeah.
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Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!
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Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!
Agreed. Andoran should have asked Isger (Cheliax) to hand over those who were guilty of the murder.
Andoran sending troops to "invade," even a nominally sovereign nation, to render justice feels like an invasion and thus, an act of war on Almas' part.
It looks like Andoran is provoking Cheliax on purpose.
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Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!Agreed. Andoran should have asked Isger (Cheliax) to hand over those who were guilty of the murder.
This would be futile, since the response would be "not only does Andoran not have an extradition treaty with either Isger or Cheliax, it is itself only an errant province of Cheliax and governed by Chelaxian law in this matter. And Chelaxian law says whatever self-serving thing we need it to say in this moment to ensure we keep jurisdiction over the investigation and custody of the suspect, and you do not get it."
And really, from a Realistic perspective, why should Andoran's government not take any pretext to start a war, if it wants one and believes it could achieve its objectives? It's not like there's a Golarion UN whose members have sworn off aggressive war.
Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!Agreed. Andoran should have asked Isger (Cheliax) to hand over those who were guilty of the murder.
Andoran sending troops to "invade," even a nominally sovereign nation, to render justice feels like an invasion and thus, an act of war on Almas' part.
It looks like Andoran is provoking Cheliax on purpose.
"Looks like" plays a key role here. How high up the chain does responsibility go and what were their motivations? Is it personal grudge they're willing to drag their country into or a Cheliax operation giving Cheliax political motivation and faux innocence?
Or better yet, did the Whispering Way shove these pawns into each other so two major military powers (who both have strong political influence to rally others) will spend all their might on each other rather than on the undead invasion? The Whispering Way is controlled by immortal geniuses after all, and I'd hope they would've learned something from watching how the region responded to the Worldwound. Gotta nip those crusades at the source. Also learn something about their enemies' deepest reserves of power.
As sound as that seems coming from an Earth POV, I wonder how viable this strategy is in a "level up to superhuman levels" schema. Sure, the region will lose lots of troops and civilians, maybe even make plenty of juicy graveyards to suck necromantic energy from, but in a world where heroes > armies, how many heroes do you want your enemies to build?
What steps might the WW take to prevent that? Perhaps say, hampering Raise Dead efforts? Even if not the instigators, they should devote resources to trap some higher-powered souls and ensure that both sides feel the attrition rather than grow stronger in this perverse "killing = XP = tangible power" universe. Heck, does entropy even measure up again magic and heroism?
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"Looks like" plays a key role here. How high up the chain does responsibility go and what were their motivations? Is it personal grudge they're willing to drag their country into or a Cheliax operation giving Cheliax political motivation and faux innocence?Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!Agreed. Andoran should have asked Isger (Cheliax) to hand over those who were guilty of the murder.
Andoran sending troops to "invade," even a nominally sovereign nation, to render justice feels like an invasion and thus, an act of war on Almas' part.
It looks like Andoran is provoking Cheliax on purpose.
That's precisely why I used those two words. There has to be room for at least some intrigue in the Inner Sea.
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Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!
The reason this is a good Casus belli is that Hellknights are not de jure agents of the Chellish state, but it's easy to see many contexts of them being seen as de facto agents of Thrune.
Like there has to be a compelling reason for the two sides not to prefer to deescalate. Cheliax is justified in saying that they are not responsible for Hellknights, and cannot tolerate Andoran troops that close to their border, after all.
Seeing similarities with the Glorious Reclamation thing.
Andoren troops in Isger feels like quite the escalation to one Andoren citizen's execution - by Hellknights, not even Chelish troops!The reason this is a good Casus belli is that Hellknights are not de jure agents of the Chellish state, but it's easy to see many contexts of them being seen as de facto agents of Thrune.
Like there has to be a compelling reason for the two sides not to prefer to deescalate. Cheliax is justified in saying that they are not responsible for Hellknights, and cannot tolerate Andoran troops that close to their border, after all.
and the Order of the Rack is more "loyal" to Thrune than most if I remember correctly.