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Arkat wrote:

Some of you guys seem to think the Thrunes losing is a done deal.

I wouldn't bet on that if I were you.

I can see Andoran not technically winning if Cheliax decides to go out with a bang and opens a hell portal on Egorian or something but I can’t see Cheliax not losing. They’re going to get locked into the Inner Sea, lose their primary naval base, and their frontline is going to collapse tot he point where enemy troops are going to push into their capital. Hard to see how they can come back from that without some other country swooping in to save their asses, and nobody who’s powerful enough has any reason to want to do it.


If Andoran is in Egorian by the close of the first year of the war, then it sounds like they basically have things in the bag? Seems a bit neat and tidy compared to how the war was advertised, I thought it was supposed to spill out and drag in everyone over a long period.


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One thing mentioned in a different section of the book that could prove a very unexpected twist is that Nirmathas is actively trying to align itself with Cheliax in the hope they’ll provide protection from Molthune. This could mean that in the event of a possible escalation Molthune actually sides with Andoran while the Encarthan Alliance is pulled in to support Cheliax. Though I doubt that will actually happen because the other Alliance members have no reason to agree to that proposal.


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Travelling Sasha wrote:


I dunno. Seems very trivial for Thrune to avoid war here, she just has to like... Not nationalize them and stay quiet, since they don't represent Cheliax. So, I wonder if she actually wants to initiate it? Maybe she can argue that the defense of Breachill by Andoran forces against Chelaxian forces (the Hellknights in question) was an Andorian agression in Chelaxian territory, which... Can be seen as true with an odd legalese reading, I guess. If this can be sold properly as such, then maybe Taldor and Kyonin involving themselves in Andoran's behalf could make them look bad and as such, isolate Andoran in the war? So Thrune thinks she could have a chance? Sounds kinda flimsy, to be honest.

It’s only trivial if you assume that Andoran doesn’t want war, which seems like a bad assumption. After all, they’re the ones actively trying to destabilize Isger and get it out from under Cheliax. A scenario where Cheliax doesn’t go to war is one where Andoran wins anyway because they just keep escalating the situation.

And I don’t think it’s “flimsy” that Taldor and Kyonin aren’t going to support an offensive war against Cheliax, given that they don’t stand to gain anything from it and both of them have bigger concerns. They probably do get involved eventually, but only after the conflict spirals out of control and ends up dragging in everybody through cascading alliances. (Which is what I always assumed to be what the WWI comparison was about, not the tone.)


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I wonder if more participating countries beyond Andoran/Cheliax/Rahadoum/Molthune/Isger can be predicted through the presence of war shards? The new Shining Kingdoms book mentions an Eagle Knight firearms development program that uses war shards, meaning Andoran’s invasion of Isger might actually be driven by the desire to both gain Breachill as a strategic resource and deny it to Cheliax.


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zimmerwald1915 wrote:
Scuttlefish wrote:
Is the killing of the Andoran citizen in Breachill and the subsequent Andoran invasion of Isger that’s mentioned in the new article supposed to be the inciting incident of the war or is this separate?
Gotta link? Hard to interpret a text sight unseen.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo70cy9


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Is the killing of the Andoran citizen in Breachill and the subsequent Andoran invasion of Isger that’s mentioned in the new article supposed to be the inciting incident of the war or is this separate?


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I’d love to see a proper war AP of one human nation against another instead of it being about monsters, though I suspect something like that is in the works already.

Something set in Taldor or Minkai or Numeria after the PCs of the old APs shook things up, we’ve been to Kintargo a few times after Rebels so no reason why not.

The quest for the Sun Orchid Elixir seems like an obvious hook that hasn’t been taken advantage of yet.

One where the moon explodes. Nuff said.


Hooray!


New Ameiko art?