So let's say you are Main-Class Exemplar and a party member was a Multiclass Exemplar. Which Ikons would you recommend for a purely STR based Exemplar who wants to use a D12 weapon. Then let's also compare to a Barbarian or Fighter also using a D12 weapon.
Base Exemplar
Since Exemplar has no real damage boosts outside of their Ikon you would want a Weapon Ikon, correct?
Barbarian MC Exemplar
IF you were a Barbarian would you rather go for a Weapon Ikon to boost your already high Rage damage or grab the Victor's Wreath for that sweet, sweet prema +1 Statue to attack rolls? Since if you were not the only Melee Martial the Victor's Wreath would be fairly powerful as it gives you and everyone else +1 to attack in a 15ft Emanation.
Fighter MC Exemplar
But if you choose Fighter does the above apply or is the Victor's Wreath too good still? You rather give up 2-8 bonus damage for a +1 to your alreafy monstrous attack bonus?
The problem I have is I find it hard to juggle three ikosn, two I can do with no problem. Since as a Main Class Exemplar I WANT my damage boost and without it I feel like a weaker fighter however I also want to help my party but find myself not dealing the bonus damage crippling but perhaps I need not worry about my damage output if we have some heavy hitters.
Is this a common issue people have at which Ikon to use from their Experience of Playing Exemplar?
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It's going to depend hugely on what you're trying to accomplish, which in turn will depend to a significant amount on party composition.
So, for example, Victors Wreath is great IF the party has no other reliable source of a status bonus to hit. But in a party with a Marshal or bard it is much less useful.
If you want to just do lots of damage then you're very likely best off going MC Exemplar if your GM is foolish enough to allow it, at least until Paizo comes to their senses and nerfs it (see any of the discussions on how overpowered it is).
The MC Ikon is firmly in the "character defining, build your character around it) class. Which means that different Ikons support wildly different builds.
If you go pure Exemplar, you get to pick one or two for damage and the other one or two to define what your character accomplishes beyond pure damage. Lots of options, choose the ones that fit the role you're taking
One thing I'd ask the GM is that if they think both Spark Trans and Shift Imm share the same cooldown/limit, or if each's 1 p turn limit is independent of the other.
One of the reasons why Exemplar may feel like they neglect their 3rd Ikon is due to the 1 per turn limit of those actions, and some combos w/ important passives may want to do a turn where you both Spark Trans and Shift Immanence.
(Most relevant for Sandals; if 1 Stride is not enough distance, but a passive boosted Stride is enough, you can Shift --> Trans --> blank w/ 0 Action loss while providing allies extra movement)
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Don't forget that you can choose an Ikon while knowing it'll not get much combat usage. Something like the Horn of Plenty may carry a great affect on paper, but because it's smartly written to be compartmentalized/niche, it may only be used once or 0 times per combat if you have no reason to spend the elixirs.
(though that's likely not an appealing option in a 2-H build to begin with)
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A key detail of this problem/puzzle is that you can pick a 3rd Ikon who's Trans ability is something you want to do *instead of* a Strike, or when you *cannot* Strike, like the Bands of Imprisonment.
Its Trans ability is Escape + 2x Stride + Strike. That has appeal when you may be Restrained, or when you are a full 2 Strides away from your desired target. In both those circumstances, you *cannot* use your basic weapon Ikon big hit, so there is no opportunity cost conflict with it.
(Sandals is still the best/easiest for this, as melee PCs #1 "I cannot Strike, so I'll ___" action is still Stride, lol)
To answer the questions in order:
As for juggling ikons, I agree that using transcendence effects puts you in situations where you don't immediately have access to what you want, though that I think is actually quite a good thing, as I think it makes for more dynamic play in practice. Since the class's release, I've tried picking two weapon ikons and transcending between both, but honestly I've found it more effective to try to go with the flow and focus on making the most of what I currently had. There's Shift Immanence for when you really want that other transcendence, and I think that's fine to rely on to begin with, though I suspect a big part of the Exemplar's mastery curve comes from saving actions by planning and improvising transcendences more smoothly.
Base Exemplar
Since Exemplar has no real damage boosts outside of their Ikon you would want a Weapon Ikon, correct?
Yes. As it says on page 43: "Typically, you want to ensure at least one of your ikons is a weapon."
Barbarian MC Exemplar
IF you were a Barbarian would you rather go for a Weapon Ikon to boost your already high Rage damage or grab the Victor's Wreath for that sweet, sweet prema +1 Statue to attack rolls? Since if you were not the only Melee Martial the Victor's Wreath would be fairly powerful as it gives you and everyone else +1 to attack in a 15ft Emanation.
Personally, the +1 on attack rolls is nice but should depend on the rest of the party. If you have a bunch of martials that already have good proficiency advancement on their attacks, a barbarian may find the damage resistance from Skin as Hard as Horn more useful (especially if you know what type of damage will be encountered most often for the day).
Fighter MC Exemplar
But if you choose Fighter does the above apply or is the Victor's Wreath too good still? You rather give up 2-8 bonus damage for a +1 to your alreafy monstrous attack bonus?
For a fighter MC exemplar, the character might be better off with something like Thousand League Sandals for the +10 ft bonus to Speed; especially if the fighter is wearing heavy armor. Or possibly a Mirrored Aegis if the fighter will be using a shield ("If the mirrored aegis houses your divine spark for 10 uninterrupted minutes, it is restored to full Hit Points.").
The problem I have is I find it hard to juggle three ikosn, two I can do with no problem. Since as a Main Class Exemplar I WANT my damage boost and without it I feel like a weaker fighter however I also want to help my party but find myself not dealing the bonus damage crippling but perhaps I need not worry about my damage output if we have some heavy hitters.
Is this a common issue people have at which Ikon to use from their Experience of Playing Exemplar?
With an examplar, you should plan on how you will typically cycle between ikons when activating the Transcendence abilities. An exemplar will often switch between a weapon ikon in one round, spark transcendence to switch immanence to an ikon with a passive bonus until their next turn, then spark transcendence back into the weapon the next round. Scar of the Survivor may also be a good choice for a third ikon to self heal occasionally.
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I'd definitely recommend Victor's Wreath on a MC Barbarian. The ikon itself is absolutely busted (as written, you get to auto-cleanse yourself of most permanent afflictions other nasty persistent effects out of combat),
No, the transcendence only affects allies in your aura. It doesn't help you. I also thought this for at least a week after the book released before I caught the "ally" limitation.
Teridax you only have to juggle your Icons until 12th level when you take Rapid spark where your spark is always in the icon where you need it.
Rapid Spark is only useable once per day.
As far as EIB, it's an ikon feat, not an ikon. Ikon feats are imbued into specific ikons (if you have two weapon ikons, you'd have to choose which), and grant them special additional abilities. EIB gives the doomed increases on critical hits, plus instant death if you stack enough doomed on them, and the alternate transcendence option.
Regarding the one ikon feat per one qualifying ikon, the 20th level Cutting Without Blade feat does remove this - if you had two weapon ikons all of your ikon feats would then apply to both of them, if they otherwise qualify (e.g. melee/ranged restrictions).
So let's say you are Main-Class Exemplar and a party member was a Multiclass Exemplar. Which Ikons would you recommend for a purely STR based Exemplar who wants to use a D12 weapon. Then let's also compare to a Barbarian or Fighter also using a D12 weapon.
Base Exemplar
Since Exemplar has no real damage boosts outside of their Ikon you would want a Weapon Ikon, correct?
Pure Exemplars are more all-rounder that allows you to choose how do you will build with different ikons boosts for different situations instead of single option power build. So if you are searching for a DPR improvement probably is not the best option.
Barbarian MC Exemplar
IF you were a Barbarian would you rather go for a Weapon Ikon to boost your already high Rage damage or grab the Victor's Wreath for that sweet, sweet prema +1 Statue to attack rolls? Since if you were not the only Melee Martial the Victor's Wreath would be fairly powerful as it gives you and everyone else +1 to attack in a 15ft Emanation.
Victor's Wreath is basically a passive Bless that doesn't requires 2-actions + spellslot/scroll. I don't know if this is so good because it will depend if any other party member didn't used Bless or Courageous Anthem or other stronger status bonus buff like heightened Heroism or Girzanje's March.
So like many people said this will depend from your party member not yet giving such bonus.Instead Ikons that gives extra damage like Barrow's Edge or Gleaming Blade with this last one being specially useful to give to the barbarian a very good offensive activity (Transcendence — Flowing Spirit Strike) once that Barbarians usually lacks from such thing.
Fighter MC Exemplar
But if you choose Fighter does the above apply or is the Victor's Wreath too good still? You rather give up 2-8 bonus damage for a +1 to your alreafy monstrous attack bonus?
Yes it still good. The main advantage of fighters is their highest hit and critical rate specially vs off-guard opponents. Sometimes they are the only one who can get a non-nat critical vs high AC bosses. But even vs weaklings to get a +1 to hit and critical can be very good once it will provides a very high chance to crit. All that said, once you are not so restricted to use concentration actions like barbarians you can cast your own +1 status bonus taking a divine/occult spellcasting dedication or TMI to cast Bless using scrolls, this will costs you some actions (or your entire round with TMI) but also will allow you to keep benefit from other ikons proving the both ikon damage bonus + very high critical rate from having a +2 from higher proficiency +1 from status from a bless "+2" from off-guard.
Edit: Now that I notice this was a necro thread.
Hi can a Exemplar using a a weapon like a Three Peaked Tree use 2 of there 3 ikons to take Barrow's Edge for the trident part and Starshot for the gun part of the combination weapon?
It's uncertain currently because due how the ikons, specially the weapons are described it's like they are a whole item not part of it. That said mechanically there isn't nothing restriction any ikon type needing to be the whole ikon and preventing it be 2 ikons at same time (but restricted to have only one ikon power active at same time).
We can say due the lack of restrictive rules a same item could be 2 different ikons specially because you can have multiple body ikon but at same time body ikons like Eye-Catching Spot,
Gaze Sharp As Steel, Scar Of The Survivor and Skin Hard As Horn specifies specific body parts similar to many worn items do. So due similarity some GMs may rule that they works like the worn usage rules that limits to 1 when the usage specifies where it can be used.
So even without a clear rule some GMs can make a RAI restricting weapon ikons to be only one ikon of that type. Maybe they can be middle permissive and considers that Combination weapons like the Three Peaked Tree are basically 2 different weapons build in the same body (but IMO this goes beyond the RAI and enters in houserule realm because the trait says "combine the functionality of melee weapons and ranged weapons in unique or unusual ways" what means that you are not combining 2 weapons but 2 functionalities whats means that still a single weapon).
Any way talk with your GM points why do you think that you can have to ikons in the same weapon and how this doesn't goes against any explicit rule and that this won't make it too OP (but can give an advantage to not have to use swap between 2 different weapons or occupy both hands if the weapons are one-handed) because the rule doesn't explicitly denies. Maybe this GM can agree.
But myself as GM I don't allow 2 ikons in a same weapon even it being a Combination weapon (even with restricting to only one active at same time) because I rule it via RAI in a similar way to the worn usage rules and I consider that have same weapon with 2 ikons even not able to active both at same time gives a hands benefit that can help a lot with action economy where those that use ikons in different weapons doesn't have.
Hi can a Exemplar using a a weapon like a Three Peaked Tree use 2 of there 3 ikons to take Barrow's Edge for the trident part and Starshot for the gun part of the combination weapon?
I think the Twin Stars Exemplar 1st level feat will make or break a GM's decision, it wouldn't work for the combo weapon I was asking about the three peaked tree being 2 handed but the Triggerbrand isn't so you could split your sparks to be in both sword and gun, I'm not sure if you manage to proc the Triggerbrands Critical Fusion and get to fire the gun alnog with your sword strike to do 1 of the 2 effects would also allow you to do the spirit damage from the Barrow's Edge and the splash damage from Starshot. I don't think you would be able to combine the Spark Transcendence abilities.