Dumping the Portable Hole


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Is it possible to completely dump out the contents of a portable hole by means of upturning it? Or is it only functional when the aperture is upright (between 0 and 90°)?

Seems to me that if you tried to turn it upside down, it would close up, as it is likely no longer completely unfolded.


Open it onto a thin wall and then cast Gust of Wind through it.


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Farien wrote:
Open it onto a thin wall and then cast Gust of Wind through it.

Like, through wall through the back of the hole? Does that even work?


I don't see why not. When set up on a wall that is not deep enough to prevent the other side from opening, then air can flow freely through. Gust of Wind would blow out all of the light bulk items onto the grass on the opposite side of the wall, and will push the larger items at least a little bit.


Are you sure that it wouldn't be more practical to collect the items from the hole directly rather than having to gather them from where they got scattered to from Gust of Wind?


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Ehh. He didn't ask about practical.

Dark Archive

I think if you're able to spin the cloth of the hole such that it flares outwards in all directions, you'd be able to have it be considered "open" while in the air; however, gravity would affect the opened hole the same as it would affect the objects in the hole. So they'd all fall at the same rate, thus not really dumping anything out.

That'd be my take.

Alternatively, "The hole's depth is perpendicular to the surface". So if it's not placed on a surface, it doesn't have any depth, so it isn't really open.


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Yeah...I was thinking about filling the portable hole with water so that I could flood dungeons for my lizardfolk character (who ignores difficult terrain and gets bonuses against people in water).

I figured that...:

...since the volume of the portable hole's interdimensional cylinder space is approximately 282.743 cubic feet, it can hold 2,116.355 gallons of water. One cubic foot of water is about 7.48 gallons. To fill a 5-foot space to 1 foot deep with water takes 25 cubic feet, or 187 gallons.

Since we have 2,116.355 gallons, that means we can fill up to 11.32 squares with watery difficult terrain.

This math brought to you, right or wrong, by AI.

I'm sure that won't work now that I've read the portable hole rules more thoroughly, but it got me thinking about how a portable hole is actually intended to function in the game.

For example, are they double-sided like Farien claims (and can make doorways in walls, or gaps in thin objects), or is the opening only on one side and never penetrates a surface regardless of depth?


Make a 6'x6' thin wooden wall.
Lay it flat.
Place hole on wall.
Lift wall to 90 degrees and water flows out.
Profit.


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graystone wrote:

Make a 6'x6' thin wooden wall.

Lay it flat.
Place hole on wall.
Lift wall to 90 degrees and water flows out.
Profit.

Yeah, that works fine with water, but what if I had something that wasn't likely to come out unless completely inverted, such as frozen orange juice concentrate? ;P


Ravingdork wrote:
graystone wrote:

Make a 6'x6' thin wooden wall.

Lay it flat.
Place hole on wall.
Lift wall to 90 degrees and water flows out.
Profit.
Yeah, that works fine with water, but what if I had something that wasn't likely to come out unless completely inverted, such as frozen orange juice concentrate? ;P

Your likely out of luck. Even if the hole has no friction force on it's sides, you end up with what is essentially a vacuum on the frozen bottom when a force like gravity affects it: there is literally no was for air to get to the bottom of the object. there is no way you'd get enough force to pull out perfectly fitting 10' piston with a sealed end.

However the item says "The only air in the hole is that which enters when it's opened, though if the hole goes through to open space, air can flow freely through the tunnel." This means you can set the hole on a 10' thick wall and then push frozen orange juice concentrate out from either side.

Liberty's Edge

Thankfully, the description also says "An item inside the hole provides no benefits unless it's retrieved first. "

So, you will have to retrieve the water from the hole before using it (and no, gravity does not count).


The Raven Black wrote:

Thankfully, the description also says "An item inside the hole provides no benefits unless it's retrieved first. "

So, you will have to retrieve the water from the hole before using it (and no, gravity does not count).

Idk, if air can flow freely when it's open/active, it's hard to think that water would not flow out.


The Raven Black wrote:

Thankfully, the description also says "An item inside the hole provides no benefits unless it's retrieved first. "

So, you will have to retrieve the water from the hole before using it (and no, gravity does not count).

Does retrieving it from the lawn count?


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... staple to the ceiling ... jk


IMO- "The table figuring out how the portable hole works" is part of having that item in your game. Thus there probably should not be really clear reals like "does it conserve momentum" or "what about Gravity."


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Buy 4 - 10 foot poles, 100 feet of rope and a repair kit. Be Trained in Craft.

Frame them into a 5'x5' square, do some lashings, use the wood working tools in the repair kit to trim off the excess lengths. Spread the portable hole over the framing. Positioning one person on each side, you can now stand the hole up, align it on the floor, or with some scaffolding place it on the ceiling to appear through the floor into a room above.

Fun and hijinks ensue, much of which is not outside the realm of other 15th-17th level characters, which is where we would be to have the hole in the first place.

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