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I appreciate the many GM's fixes to the kingdom rules. I've looked at a number of online suggestions. Still a couple months from reaching this part of of module with my group.
Would be nice if Paizo would fix this faulty part of the module and release on pdf.
Would also like additional sample troops fir warfare system. Trolls, undead cyclops, lizardfolk, fey, swordlords. In case war breaks out during other parts of storyline
My understanding from the update to their errata policy was that it was no longer tied to reprints. I had assumed that meant the APs would be getting errata as well, especially with the kingdom rules untested. Is that not the case?
If so, it makes purchasing APs a much less attractive option.
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My understanding from the update to their errata policy was that it was no longer tied to reprints. I had assumed that meant the APs would be getting errata as well, especially with the kingdom rules untested. Is that not the case?
They have made no statement they won't work on/errata Kingmaker or other APs, and in fact they have done errata and updates for previous APs.
The previous poster is making things up.
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Why are you certain they're making things up?
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43pea?Rules-on-granting-Kingdom-XP-from-events #20
It's not "official errata" until it gets posted as such and/or is reprinted, but it's the original intent I had for the system, and I'm the lead developer for the project, so I guess take that for what it's worth? ;-)
Clarifications here on posts like this on these boards are not considered "Official Errata" because they quickly get lost and aren't catalogued, but if/when we publish errata for Kingmaker, this'll be something I push for. But to manage expectations... we've NEVER published "official errata" for an adventure.
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Why are you certain they're making things up?
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43pea?Rules-on-granting-Kingdom-XP-from-events #20
It's not "official errata" until it gets posted as such and/or is reprinted, but it's the original intent I had for the system, and I'm the lead developer for the project, so I guess take that for what it's worth? ;-)
Clarifications here on posts like this on these boards are not considered "Official Errata" because they quickly get lost and aren't catalogued, but if/when we publish errata for Kingmaker, this'll be something I push for. But to manage expectations... we've NEVER published "official errata" for an adventure.
Never published it as a standalone thing but they have done errata for Adventures, both official (Abomination Vaults HC coincided with them putting out errata for it) and "unofficial", and player options introduced in APs usually get reprinted and updated as well.
I was contesting the claim "They simply don't do errata or updates on adventures," which is false.
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I wasn't aware they ever had actually updated APs. I'm happy to hear otherwise.
That said it's still highly unlikely they'll do anything further for Kingmaker itself based on some of James Jacob's statements.
I'd love it if they did.
I'm hoping that Legendary Game's plugin for the 2e Kingdom Building rules fixes a lot of things.
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Never published it as a standalone thing but they have done errata for Adventures, both official (Abomination Vaults HC coincided with them putting out errata for it) and "unofficial", and player options introduced in APs usually get reprinted and updated as well.
Do we know if they would have spent the time to errata Abomination Vaults if they hadn't been doing a HC though?
Has there been any Adventure errata for any APs that were not collected in HC?
They do collect and sometime update rules from APs, but I don't think we'll see any official updates to the Kingdom Building Rules anytime soon.
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We would not have spent the time to errata Abomination Vaults if we didn't do a Hardcover.
I understand and empathize with folks who hope for a kingdom rules errata for Kingmaker, but at this time, that'd take a lot of my time and at least one person from the design team and one person from the editing team to go in and work on, and at this point, we have to be realistic about our resources—at the moment, we don't have enough to devote those three (minimum) folks to errata for any adventure, including Kingmaker, because we're pretty slammed on getting in-process projects out the door. (Speaking from the narrative team, we're STILL scrambling to get caught up again after essentially having the ENTIRE print adventure development team staff do a full turnover in terms of employees last year, when for many months it was pretty much just me keeping all those plates spinning for Gatewalkers, Stolen Fate, Crown of the Kobold King, Rusthenge, and the upcoming ones beyond those, with Adam Daigle multitasking from manager duties to help when the time allowed.)
Just trying to manage expectations and all, and I'm sorry for those out there who would like official errata for the kingdom rules. I feel like the feedback from other GMs and their suggestions are an excellent solution in the meantime, but I understand that for some people it's not the same.
I'll keep now and then suggesting/mentioning the possibility of a Kingdom Rules errata, but don't expect anything on that front anytime soon. Thank you for your understanding and patience.
I'm hoping that Legendary Game's plugin for the 2e Kingdom Building rules fixes a lot of things.If someone in the know could post a direct URL for this future product (so that I can more properly track this item), I'd be grateful! ;-)
Thanks,
Franklin
Checked page today couldn't find it.
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Warning I ordered from the above links. It is pathfinder 1st edition. They sent zoom link i opened it and it is for 1st edition.
Warning I ordered from the above links. It is pathfinder 1st edition. They sent zoom link i opened it and it is for 1st edition.
The company is working with me to get 2e version when available so a 2e version should be out soon
LinkifiedAn update on Ultimate Rulership (PF2E) from the Kickstarter page - it looks like it will hopefully be done soon:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/legendarygames/ultimate-faeries-fey-mo nsters-and-campaigns-for-dnd-5e-and-pf/posts/3859545
How is this different from the rules in the Kingmaker book?
I would think that they will have their own take and will fix the problems at hand, or so I hope anyways.
I am running 2 groups, one is a bit far from this but the other one has over half of the Greenbelt explored so I might need this ASAP myself for that group.
Their other book just before was pretty good!!
Tom
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From the little we know so far it's looking like it'll expand on the base rules but not fix them. Once we have the PDFs we'll know more.
My own party just killed the Stag Lord and will be founding their Kingdom soon.
Next session will be Politicking and Venture capital in Rostland followed by hex crawling with a big caravan and a few fights.
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Well if thats the case then I think sales will go very poorly for this, I really hope your wrong, and I actually shocked there is nothing on Infinite yet.
Tom
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The links above have content for 1e, 2e, and D&D 5e. Ultimate Rulership is the only relevant book for Kingmaker 2e afaik. I don't think Ultimate Kingdoms or the kingdom event cards are compatible with Kingmaker 2e at all.The company is working with me to get 2e version when available so a 2e version should be out soonWarning I ordered from the above links. It is pathfinder 1st edition. They sent zoom link i opened it and it is for 1st edition.
That is correct. Ultimate Kingdoms is available for PF1 and 5E and represents a BUNCH of products all gone together.
Ultimate Rulership for PF2 is the first (but not the last) expansion for PF2 kingdom rules. There are additional supplements planned and in various states of development for settlements (getting close) and mass combat (coming later).
We've had a lot on our plates getting the other books from that KS up and out the door, and we're looking forward to getting this book series up and rolling. Better to release them sequentially than try to just sit on the pile until every last thing is done.
Thanks Jason so can you say if this first supliment fix the Kingdom rules for Kingmaker 2nd edition from the get go or just an expansion with no fixes for the base?
Thanks
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Thanks Jason so can you say if this first supliment fix the Kingdom rules for Kingmaker 2nd edition from the get go or just an expansion with no fixes for the base?
Thanks
Tom
This supplement fixes a great many of the issues with the kingdom rules for PF2. The latest Kickstarter update from today gives more details, and it'll be up and available to everyone next week!
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PERFECT, thank you sir and can't wait to pick it up!!
Tom
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PERFECT, thank you sir and can't wait to pick it up!!
Tom
Awesome. We're doing some final edits on it now.
I will say, of course, that you're welcome to join our Patreon at the link above, as Patrons can preorder the book (and all of our releases) ahead of time! We have lots of PF1 and PF2 content as well as work on other projects if you want to check it out!
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We have lots of PF1 and PF2 content as well as work on other projects if you want to check it out!
That sounds wonderful! :)
By the way, if one has a question about an older LG product, where should that question be asked? In the relevant product thread (e.g., the Jade Regent plug-ins)? Or is there an "Ask Jason Nelson" thread somewhere on the forums here?
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Is there any word on when those who missed the Kickstarter will be able to pick this supplement up?PERFECT, thank you sir and can't wait to pick it up!!
Tom
Awesome. We're doing some final edits on it now.
I will say, of course, that you're welcome to join our Patreon at the link above, as Patrons can preorder the book (and all of our releases) ahead of time! We have lots of PF1 and PF2 content as well as work on other projects if you want to check it out!
Next week on PF2sday! :)
I can't answer all of the questions, but I do know it's not yet available to the general public - version 3 with a bunch of fixes and corrections was made available yesterday to the KS backers, so I know it will definitely be soon™.
It's definitely PDF, and if I've followed the plan correctly there will be a print option (I'm certainly looking forward to getting one).
So while I'm not privy to LG's marketing strategy, please be patient, it won't be long!
There will be a print option, I backed the kickstarter for both PDF and Print.
I have the PDF now but I'm very underwhelmed by it.
It's barely useable.
I'm very interested in hearing more. Any more details you'd mind sharing about the pros/cons of the supplement?
(I've backed it too, but I haven't familiarized myself well-enough with the original rules to evaluate its merits.)
Accidentally bought the wrong version online and Legendary was great about getting me the current version. UR V3 looking firward to reading it this weekend. My group starts kingdo. Building this upcoming week
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I'm still working on typing everything up BUT I'm going to provide my feedback directly to Legendary Games.
v3 won't be the last version and UR should be significantly improved by the time it's fully done.
It's available and live on the various sites, but given that we plan another revision round we haven't done a big launch push. Anyone who gets it now will still be able to get the updated PDF when it's ready so no worries there.
Lots of good stuff in there but a little edition leakage here and there and some assumptions about rules. Looking forward to the final version!
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Accidentally bought the wrong version online and Legendary was great about getting me the current version. UR V3 looking firward to reading it this weekend. My group starts kingdo. Building this upcoming week
We do aim to provide Legendary customer service. :)
7-day link to the Legendary Games Discord - most of our discussions and interaction happen there.
Ok I've gotten all my stuff organized and shared it with Legendary games.
Over 21 pages of notes, clarifications needed, and simple corrections for Ultimate Rulership 2e.
I'm looking forward to UR being as awesome as possible!
So I got an email noting that the final PDF for the Ultimate Rulership 2e book was now available. How does it look to you now?