Yeah, have to say personally I preferred the high hijinx episodes to this. But I'm not the only person they're making these for.
Admittedly the initial premise was fun but I didn't like where things went.
Talking of negative gender tropes, I also don't like that one of the key plot factors is the same as the previous episode--male-identified character decides he can't cope without Female Love Interest so f#&+s the world over instead. So we get it, Marvel: women aren't survivors, and men are emotional cripples who will selfishly destroy everyone and everything just to get what they want.
Tired tropes aside, who knew Vision mourning Wanda would be even more dangerous than Wanda mourning Vision? At least the Westviewians survived if with some serious PTSD.
Man, Sharon Carter gets shafted for screentime no matter what universe she's in. Can we get a "what if Spider-Man didn't get invited into Civil War so Sharon could get the proper Cap-family role she f+*$ing deserved?" No, just me wants that? Fine, but I want that.
Speaking of Civil War... looks like in this universe, the Avengers hadn't broken up as of Civil War (Tony is fighting alongside Cap and Nat in the beginning, but it's obviously after Civil War because it's the beginning of Infinity War; also because Sharon Carter wasn't on the run). So how did Spider-Man get involved with the other superheroes anyway? Dialogue indicates he still connected with Tony (and has the suit Tony gave him) and was invited to join the Avengers, but there wouldn't have been the same impetus to invite him.
Obviously Avengers being together should have nothing to do with why Janet Van Dyne was a zombie so it's interesting both issues were a factor. Wonder what was different in that world that there was no Civil War--were there no Sokovia Accords? Did all the Avengers unite on signing or not?
All this said, I would watch a series about Head-In-A-Jar Scott Lang and the Cloak.
It could be there was Civil War but they set it aside because Zombie thing is bigger than everyone.
Scott did mention he is practically an avenger, which sort of lines up with Civil War happened.
all said and done though.
Hank Pym has F'ed things up twice now.
It could be there was Civil War but they set it aside because Zombie thing is bigger than everyone.
Then how did Sharon get with them? If Civil War happened as it did she would have been in Madripoor (and likely zombified before she could get to the others).
There was some other reason I thought there couldn't have been a Civil War but I can't remember what it is now. I'm not going to bother rewatching the episode, it was depressing enough the first time.
Hank Pym has F'ed things up twice now.
Guess they wanted to make up for him not making Ultron in this universe.
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Damn! Just when it looked like their was a ray of hope for the zombiepocalypse……
I never collected any of the zombie marvel comics (I know, weird considering it’s me). I can only guess those comics were the inspiration for this. All in all, I enjoyed it.
That’s three pretty dark episodes in a row. I almost hate to think how they’ll get darker.
This was weird but then I've been burnt out over zombie apocalypses for a while now. But I will agree, Scott-Lang-Head-in-jar was good. That and the subtle nod to Wandavision.
Kahnya,
As a paladin, fighting undead hordes are easy. It's the freaking necromancers USING them that a pain.
I was raised more that zombies are "Turn Undead" fodder for the cleric than a serious horror threat. So, never got into the zombie thing.
The Marvel Zombie story is that the Zombies retain all of their powers, muscle memory, and even to some extent might even retain some memories; cognition is limited but not nonexistent.
So effectively, a different type of undead creature.
I was raised more that zombies are "Turn Undead" fodder for the cleric than a serious horror threat. So, never got into the zombie thing.The Marvel Zombie story is that the Zombies retain all of their powers, muscle memory, and even to some extent might even retain some memories; cognition is limited but not nonexistent.
So effectively, a different type of undead creature.
In the comics they even retained full sentience, just driven by hunger that would override free will if they went too long between feedings.
the Scene with T'Challa happened a little different in the comic. The one keeping him alive was Hank Pym, who had already fallen to the zombie plague. He would slice bits off and then shrink down to eat them, in order to make the "meal" last longer.
Grey is correct about that as is DQ. That being said, I don't see much in the way of intelligence in this particular zombie horde.
QB,
Maybe she figured it was only good as one off....
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I really liked T'Challa's speech at the end about remembering friends who'd passed.
It made me wonder if the writers knew that Chadwick Boseman was dying when they wrote those lines for T'Challa.
How much money do you think an animated series on a premium streaming service is making? There are no direct advertising dollars, it is very likely not the primary draw of subscriptions, its length is a short enough order that it wasn't likely to result in a loss of subscriptions driven by Loki.
Haladir,
That seems unlikely. But at the same time, it's a nice thought.
Is this making money? Maybe. We'll see if it gets a second season. I think that's a determining factor of success.
Yeah these latest batches are pretty intense.
Anyway, I thought it was a really good ep as well! Weirdly though I thought KM was a bit obvious with some of his subterfuge, especially in Wakanda, but I suppose people see what they want to.
I felt that way at first, but I think part of the idea was that T'Chaka felt guilty about KM's father's fate, and his desire to make things right is partially driving his actions. I kind of wish they had made that a little clearer, but it would have been hard to do without some hamfisted dialogue to remind us of that.
I agree this is another world I'd love to see more of, and imagine the ramifications. I love the idea of Pepper and Shuri as a team.
Anyway, I thought it was a really good ep as well! Weirdly though I thought KM was a bit obvious with some of his subterfuge, especially in Wakanda, but I suppose people see what they want to.I felt that way at first, but I think part of the idea was that T'Chaka felt guilty about KM's father's fate, and his desire to make things right is partially driving his actions. I kind of wish they had made that a little clearer, but it would have been hard to do without some hamfisted dialogue to remind us of that.
I agree this is another world I'd love to see more of, and imagine the ramifications. I love the idea of Pepper and Shuri as a team.
There is a What if ? 2nd Half trailer that Disney put out that seems like they will be revisiting the worlds from the first half. One of the scenes is Shuri, Pepper and a few Dora armed to the teeth and looking ready for business.
. Was it sub-40 minutes?
Every one of them has been. Longest runtime has been 36 minutes
Yeah I know they feel longer, but so far none of them have been above the 40 minute mark (or even close to it)
36 is close to 40
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I think they might be trying to… tell stories.
I'm with dirtypool, What if stories aren't needed to taken completely seriously. They are (at times) stand alone stories with some different takes. I mean we do that with the DC universe...
So, just now catching up on the past few episodes because I watch them with my wife, and she wasn't able to watch them as fast as they came out. So, because nobody really wants to hear me pontificate on episodes that are old news, I'll just give brief thoughts:
I enjoyed the episode where all the Avengers died. It was four weeks ago, so I don't remember too many of my thoughts, but I did enjoy how they leaned into Loki taking over without the Avengers to stop him at the end of the episode.
I was neutral to the Dr. Strange episode, and I didn't think much about it. But now after reading DQ's and Mark's thoughts on it, I agree, and I don't like it either. :)
I thought the zombie episode was the weakest of them all so far. Mainly because the characters (and the writers) made weird or out-of-character decisions. (The Avengers can only find a broken train to go to another city?) I know that you can't have a horror movie without characters making dumb decisions, but I don't much care for horror movies, either.
I liked the Killmonger episode! This one leaned heavily into the whole "What If..." premise and how it changes things. Tony is who he is without the experience of being a hero, Pepper is loyal but not in love with Tony, T'Chaka is still around and his sentiments affect how he's run his kingdom, etc. Also, I feel like they tried to make Shuri a kid? I mean she acted the same, but she was really short.
Also, if we're comparing this show to a comic book, I think it best compares to the comic book "What If..." instead of any classic comic that featured Uatu. Like the comic, the show is still a condensed story that's often dark, and it's just trying to tell an interesting part of a story without really worrying about following through.
But if they do! I look forward to a team-up involving Captain Carter, T'Challa Star Lord, Scott Lang Head, Shuri, and the little gremlin that somehow escaped Dr. Strange's grasp.
I think for me, the zombie episode was fine as a zombie apocalypse story. I just didn't find it that riveting since it's been done so many other times.
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Also, I feel like they tried to make Shuri a kid? I mean she acted the same, but she was really short.
I think that was intentional and a good attention to detail. Once Kilmonger got to Wakanda it was sometime between Iron Man and Iron Man 2, and therefore many years before the Black Panther movie when Shuri was an older teen/young adult, so at the time of the What If episode, she would have been a kid.
I think that was intentional and a good attention to detail. Once Kilmonger got to Wakanda it was sometime between Iron Man and Iron Man 2, and therefore many years before the Black Panther movie when Shuri was an older teen/young adult, so at the time of the What If episode, she would have been a kid.
Also, I feel like they tried to make Shuri a kid? I mean she acted the same, but she was really short.
That was the context I was missing. Thanks.
Party Thor was a fun episode. Him and Loki as BFFs was a thing, Earth destroyed by an out of control cosmic frat party.
and a first look at the threat that will unite our Multiverse Avengers team
It was all fun and games until someone…..lost their Vision.
especially considering Loki fulfilled Odin’s purpose in this reality.
Elaborate?
This one was overall fun, although I generally dislike Thor because he's such a bro, and I find even-more-a-bro-Thor that much more intolerable. But I'm sure Thor fans found him enjoyable, and I enjoyed the rest of the supporting cast enjoyable, so wins for all around. While I am generally not a fan of hero versus hero fights (one of my least favorite repeat tropes of superhero comics), I have to admit the continent-to-continent battles were super fun and this was the perfect medium for them.
Jane seemed generally OOC to me but I may not be remembering her all that well. Darcy was as always fun--as was Carol's reaction to her. I'd love to see more of Darcy and Carol in fact, but maybe we'll get that opportunity in the Marvels, given in "our" universe Darcy and Monica are now allies.
We also needed some of the more lightheartedness as the previous episodes were just downers all around... not even tragic in the proper dramatic sense, just depressing.
I think next ep is What if Ultron won? And then I think the universes collide...
If things are going the way I think they are, I gotta ask
Can Captain Carter pick up Thor's Hammer?
And then I think the universes collide...
Is this a fan theory, or has Marvel said this is what's going to happen?