Do ranger spell DCs and attack rolls not improve?


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I'm seeing the following at 9th level for rangers: "You’ve practiced your techniques to make them harder to resist. Your proficiency rank for your ranger class DC increases to expert." But I don't see anything about spell DCs or attack rolls going up. The become "trained in primal spell attacks and spell DCs" when they get their first spell. Does that never go up again?


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You wouldn't see anything in the base class features for ranger, since warden spells weren't a part of the class when the base class was written. So you would need a feat that increases your Primal proficiency I do not believe one currently exists.


Wow, really? I'm guessing that's just an error then and they wanted it to increase with the class DC. But who knows...


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HammerJack wrote:
So you would need a feat that increases your Primal proficiency I do not believe one currently exists.

Multiclass caster feats can get you to master proficiency.


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I don't think it is an oversight. Of the 12 Warden spells only 2 call on your DC. One as a side benefit to a healing spell and the other is a decent aoe with a potent effect that lasts a whole minute (meaning it will, if used wisely, trigger several times.) For almost all rangers a DC increase feat would be a trap.


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I'd just include it as part of Ranger Expertise at 9th level and Masterful Hunter at 17th. That's how it works for Champions and Monks.

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Staffan Johansson wrote:
I'd just include it as part of Ranger Expertise at 9th level and Masterful Hunter at 17th. That's how it works for Champions and Monks.

That is good advise. However, those of us who play under a more restrictive set of rules, we cannot do this.


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graystone wrote:
HammerJack wrote:
So you would need a feat that increases your Primal proficiency I do not believe one currently exists.
Multiclass caster feats can get you to master proficiency.

This.


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Gary Bush wrote:
That is good advise. However, those of us who play under a more restrictive set of rules, we cannot do this.

By "a more restrictive set of rules" you mean "the rules", right?

(He was suggesting a house rule that ignores how the rules are written)


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I’m in the camp that this was an oversight that will probably corrected in future errata. Until then, Rules-As-Written the Primal Spell proficiency of Rangers stays stuck at Trained barring getting a multiclass or ancestry feat to boost that proficiency.


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Zapp wrote:
Gary Bush wrote:
That is good advise. However, those of us who play under a more restrictive set of rules, we cannot do this.

By "a more restrictive set of rules" you mean "the rules", right?

(He was suggesting a house rule that ignores how the rules are written)

They're more of what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.

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