Ghostwheel |
1. Can I Bull Rush to a mounted target? If I can and succeed, the target will fall down and pushed back or pushed back with his mount?
2. Can I Trip to a mounted target? What will happen?
1: I would rule that Bull Rush combines all of the penalties from attacking both the target and the mount. Probably would treat the combined target and mount as the mount's size+1 as well. And if the attacker was a medium creature attacking a rider on a large mount, I would give the target a bonus to CMD from being on higher ground. Pushed off of the mount would be the closest to RAW that I can think of.
2: I would rule that a trip attempt against a target that was seated fails. Real world logic has to prevail sometimes.
Julien Dien |
1. If the unseat feat describes what happens, then the former - knocked off their mount.
2. By the same precedent I'd assume the same.OTOH that's an obscure feat, it's not clearly detailed in the rules and I'm sure someone somewhere has decided otherwise.
So I can knock the mounted down by Bull Rush, even if without unseat feat ?
Julien Dien |
Throw Rider(Animal Archive pg.9, New anmial tricks)said: "The animal can attempt to fling a creature riding it to the ground. Treat this as a trip combat maneuver that applies to all creatures riding the animal,
and that does not provoke attacks of opportunity."
Though I know it's strained, could it proof that one can Trip the mounted and knock him down ?
Claxon |
Outside of the specific Unseat Rider feat I would not allow you to trip a rider of a mount.
Bullrush is an interesting case, in which I would allow it, but the rider wouldn't fall prone (without the Unseat feat) but would allow you to push them off their mount.
Typically the most efficient way to get rid of a mounted rider problem is to simply kill the mount.
LordKailas |
Throw Rider(Animal Archive pg.9, New anmial tricks)said: "The animal can attempt to fling a creature riding it to the ground. Treat this as a trip combat maneuver that applies to all creatures riding the animal,
and that does not provoke attacks of opportunity."Though I know it's strained, could it proof that one can Trip the mounted and knock him down ?
I imagine the purpose of this trick is for it to be used with the "push an animal" action of the Handle Animal skill. Since it seems weird to train your own horse to buck you off on command (or worse someone else's command), as a move action. Unless you're super paranoid about someone stealing your mount.
I don't think the existence of it really provides evidence that it's possible to trip a mounted rider. Especially when you consider that "push" is a full round action and the trip combat maneuver is an attack action. If anything it demonstrates the opposite, IMO.
VoodistMonk |
Generally, the tactic is to chop the legs out from under the horse, or snag the rider out of their saddle.
The game even has a weapon specifically for this purpose, aptly named the Horsechopper. It is even described as having the hook to unseat riders... although it gets no bonus for the purpose.
The game, however, does not have the mechanics to actually remove the front legs from a charging horse. Nor does it have rules for removing a rider from their mount.
There are random feats that do not provide any actual rules. There are ride checks associated with different tasks during riding, and consequences of failing those checks. But no general rules for the act of forcing a rider out of the saddle.
Even Unseat assumes that you are also on a horse, jousting with lances... because that happens often enough to make a feat for. Probably should have just printed some general rules for interacting with rides instead. Lol.