Reksew_Trebla |
I saw an interesting video going over the best responses for this in a reddit post, but I wanted to see how your PCs would have handled it.
For me, my first PC would handle it well. This would have helped her out tremendously early on, as her good friend died early in the campaign, causing her to shift from NG to true N as she just sort of shut down (more to that was that the friend died when my PC ran from a fear effect, so she blamed herself). I planned on her becoming NG again as she opens up again, but that got delayed to nearly the end of the AP, because her childhood friend (a PC turned NPC) died.
My second PC would have not been good for this. I joined the game midway, and was handed the role of the beloved Kobold NPC that everyone loved. But nobody decided to fill me the player in on what had happened so far, so I just said he hit his head next combat and forgot a bunch of stuff. As a Kobold, who was really not adjusted to civilized life, he would not know the first thing about taking care of an orphan girl. He also had a Drake Companion, and I don't think the drake would have played nice with the girl.
What about your PCs?
DeathlessOne |
The first, and only correct, response should be immense suspicion. Not necessarily of the child, but the circumstances leading up to the event, and the possible repercussions that might occur because of it. Children belong in places of relative safety, not on the heels of adventuring parties that draw danger to them like magnets do with iron. Evil forces love to take advantage of the morals of heroes.
As to how my characters would react to the situation, that varies greatly based on what their alignments and personalities dictate. At the very least, arrangements would be made for the safety and hopefully permanent placement of the child into a family that would take care of them. If that means I retire a character in order for that to happen, then it will happen. Just get the child out of the inevitable blast radius that is the foot print of the adventuring party.
Bjørn Røyrvik |
Which PC? What time in their lives? In the middle of an adventure or during downtime? What game/setting?
Interpreting 'girl' as 'kid', this has happened in a few cases.
One was adopted as a BFF/personal maid of a PC's own kid. One was made the ward of another PC and later became the personal bodyguard of his son and who turned out to be his bastard daughter (it was complicated). One was the reincarnation of the BBEGod adopted by the crown prince in order to keep an eye on him and hopefully rehabilitate him. Still undecided if this worked.
These were all in a single campaign.
Another world, another game and one PC built an orphanage. Another PC adopted one kid and made him her heir.
Neriathale |
Are we being hired to deliver her to some relative/guardian or are we expected to do the job for free? Either way, take her to somewhere safe as fast as possible and dump her there, but in the first case it's a specific 'somewhere' and in the second it's the nearest town/temple/friendly hermit.
Unless it was my Delta Green party, in which case she would suffer a horrible death because there were extremely good reasons for that being a better option than the alternative.
Mark Hoover 330 |
I guess it sort of depends on the kid and the story at hand. If the campaign is a wilderness hexcrawl or megadungeon and the orphaned girl has no chance to reach civilization, take the kid with me. If this is an urban intrigue game and the child has no seeming significance to the plot, place her with some kind of organization or friendly NPC with the funds to care for them.
As to the moments, days or years they were in my care, I'd cherish them. All children, even fictional ones, deserve safety, happiness and protection against the darkness of the world.
Depending on the character, this might take many forms. Reluctantly holding hands and skipping, enthusiastically singing and playing games, or gruffly bundling them against the weather even though the clothes are itchy. The one thing all of my characters would have in common is the thought that this child is precious, but also a small person and not some mewling animal or automaton.
If they turn out to be a villain in disguise, then I'll burn that bridge when we come to it. Otherwise this girl is in trouble, and they need our help. We don't exist solely for ourselves, or to fight a war, or to relentlessly seek an ancient witch or whatever. If we can't do our best to help one little girl, what good are we actually doing?
Pizza Lord |
I think this question is too open-ended. There's too many PCs and alignments and character types. Even for one person. I think a better question is, "How would your evil PC handle a sudden orphan girl placed in the party's care?"
I think those answers will be more entertaining.
Have you seen the beginning of 'Oliver Twist'?
"Girl for sale! Girl for sale!"
Senko |
I think this question is too open-ended. There's too many PCs and alignments and character types. Even for one person. I think a better question is, "How would your evil PC handle a sudden orphan girl placed in the party's care?"
I think those answers will be more entertaining.Have you seen the beginning of 'Oliver Twist'?
"Girl for sale! Girl for sale!"
How much and can you buy parts or is it more of a package deal?
DeathlessOne |
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Equally interesting is how the rest of the party (even an evil one) would react to say, the CE barbarian just murdering the kid.
Hopefully the player of the barbarian is cool with losing their character. As say that from a GM perspective, because now I have all the reason to make that character's life interesting as they deal with the consequences of their actions.
Just to be clear, as a player, I wouldn't be at this kind of table. I do not enjoy the kinds of stories that emerge from this kind of gameplay. I respect everyone else's interest in having fun, so I'd remove myself from the game.
Pizza Lord |
I'd also like to point out that would never be me, and I wouldn't play at a table where that happened. (Apologies if I seemed to imply otherwise)
No one is accusing you of anything. DeathlessOne just forgot the topic was about how their PCs would react to an orphan and they went off on about how, if they were the GM of an evil game with an evil PC in it, they would act indignant about a character being evil and doing an evil thing and how they, as a person, not their character, would react in a situation. Do not take it as any attack on you (At least, I sincerely hope not. They're welcome to clarify that they do think you're a horrible person because you maybe had an evil character at one point who would do bad things, but I don't think so.)
They already answered that how their PC would react depends on the PC. They may have forgotten, in their passion, that other people have characters that aren't the same as theirs and they never should have gone 0 to 60 over how someone plays their character. At least not in this topic. It could just as easily been someone else saying, "I would take the child to an orphanage," and them declaring that an orphanage is no substitute for a 'real' family and how they'd leave that group and refuse to drive the other player they were the ride for. Don't take it personally, I think they just forgot that this wasn't some real-world situation momentarily.
Bjørn Røyrvik |
One of my PCs slaughtered a bunch of kids once and he was a hero for doing so.
In a game very close to L5R this character came across a bunch of kids who were Lost, that is they were infected with the Taint, a spiritual infection which forever binds their souls to Hell, and once they are Lost there is nothing left of free will or potential for mitigation of the Taint.
These were little monsters that looked human, a tragedy for sure, but there was nothing that could be done to save them. Letting them live would be dangerous at best and serve no purpose other than to give the Enemy more tools.
Mightypion |
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How my CE Bloodrager would react:
Clearly, a sign from the ruinous powers! Blessed be! I shall turn this weak girl into an all conquering force, worthy of NURGALS MOIGHT and NOCTICULAS CUNNING! Let the insipid servants of the feeble light tremble and shiver at the thought of her approach! Your training starts now child!
Cue a suspiciously wholesome and upbeat training wheel montage. In this evil campaign, all villains are supposed to have one "quirk" you wouldnt expect from a villain, incidently, Mr. Bloodrager is really good with kids.
Inner monolouge
This is so suspicious, I need to figure out whose actual kid she is! I suspect a high ranking Succubus on one side, but it could also be the supposed father hmmm!
Pizza Lord |
How my CE Bloodrager would react:
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Cue a suspiciously wholesome and upbeat training wheel montage.
By 'training wheel', you are referring to the Wheel of Pain from Conan the Barbarian, I assume. The immense millstone they are strapped to and push around and around and around to build up their muscles.
DeathlessOne |
No one is accusing you of anything. DeathlessOne just forgot the topic was about how their PCs would react to an orphan and they went off on about how, if they were the GM of an evil game with an evil PC in it, they would act indignant about a character being evil and doing an evil thing and how they, as a person, not their character, would react in a situation.
I did not forget anything. I took the comment about "how the rest of the party would react?" as if DAOFS were speaking from a player perspective, not from their character's perspective. I was not acting as if I would be indignant as a GM. My role as a GM is to objective and unbiased, to mold the story in a way to react to and adapt to the presence of the characters within. If the players want an Evil story, they will get one, complete with the good npcs attempting to annihilate them in return. The game world will react to your actions, and the npcs will be appalled by your treatment of innocents.
Do not take it as any attack on you (At least, I sincerely hope not. They're welcome to clarify that they do think you're a horrible person because you maybe had an evil character at one point who would do bad things, but I don't think so.)
It was not an attack and I apologize if it came off that way. People have fun at their table however they want. We are all allowed to have preferences and I don't apologize for mine. I don't expect anyone else to apologize for their preferences, or to step carefully around them. I spoke as my role as a GM in those kinds of games and then went to clarify that as player, I did not enjoy those kinds of games as a player because of the emergent STORY that comes from them. I have played evil characters in evil campaigns. My earlier posts was meant to show that I was not one sided or overly biased/judgmental towards those kinds of games.
Mightypion |
Mightypion wrote:By 'training wheel', you are referring to the Wheel of Pain from Conan the Barbarian, I assume. The immense millstone they are strapped to and push around and around and around to build up their muscles.How my CE Bloodrager would react:
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Cue a suspiciously wholesome and upbeat training wheel montage.
Pffff, the Cimmerian is a worthy adversary, but he suceeded inspite of such an unsophisticated training regimen forced upon him by fools that could not see his greatness, and that wholly disregards things like speed, mobility or flexibility, rather then because of it!
The massive grinning Bloodrager pauses
It is important to build up strength, mobility and coordination at the same time, to be combined with carefully selected good nutrition! So we start with some good Zangief squats, and then do my special thing were instead of kettlebells they get tasty hams, which hey can eat after training!
He strokes his chin
This we follow up by having her run around in the platearmor I joinked from that Halfling Paladin of Ragathiel, at all times! This will build endurance!
My consort Lady Sarena will see to some of her intellectual and charismatic training, and well, having a profane gift that early should enable her to telepathize "natively", which should also increase her willpower! I am fairly certain that my darling Succubus is not into children, and getting her claws on the soon to be great dark conquering super-villainess is exactly the stuff she likes to be doing!
And then the kid becomes a massive disappointment, uninterested in world conquest, demonology or tasteful murder, she disappears one day and fulfills her ambition to become an accountant.
Senko |
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Pizza Lord wrote:Mightypion wrote:By 'training wheel', you are referring to the Wheel of Pain from Conan the Barbarian, I assume. The immense millstone they are strapped to and push around and around and around to build up their muscles.How my CE Bloodrager would react:
...
Cue a suspiciously wholesome and upbeat training wheel montage.
Pffff, the Cimmerian is a worthy adversary, but he suceeded inspite of such an unsophisticated training regimen forced upon him by fools that could not see his greatness, and that wholly disregards things like speed, mobility or flexibility, rather then because of it!
The massive grinning Bloodrager pauses
It is important to build up strength, mobility and coordination at the same time, to be combined with carefully selected good nutrition! So we start with some good Zangief squats, and then do my special thing were instead of kettlebells they get tasty hams, which hey can eat after training!
He strokes his chin
This we follow up by having her run around in the platearmor I joinked from that Halfling Paladin of Ragathiel, at all times! This will build endurance!
My consort Lady Sarena will see to some of her intellectual and charismatic training, and well, having a profane gift that early should enable her to telepathize "natively", which should also increase her willpower! I am fairly certain that my darling Succubus is not into children, and getting her claws on the soon to be great dark conquering super-villainess is exactly the stuff she likes to be doing!
And then the kid becomes a massive disappointment, uninterested in world conquest, demonology or tasteful murder, she disappears one day and fulfills her ambition to become an accountant.
"It's not a phase mum." she screams as refuses to dye her hair and wear black makeup.