What happens if two spheres of annihilation touch eachother?


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Do they just annihilate each other with no other effects? Or do they explode, like what happens when you use a rod of cancellation on one? Or something else all together?


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Answer from RL black holes: you get a single, slightly larger sphere of annihilation. Since spheres of annihilation are at the least inspired by black holes and may be entirely based on a misunderstanding of them that's the way I'd play it. This also probably works if they're rifts to another plane.


Since neither are immune and no special effect is listed, either they both get destroyed if we consider them both to have touched each other, or one just gets sucked into the other if one is considered to somehow affect the other first.


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Any matter that comes in contact with a sphere is instantly sucked into the void and utterly destroyed.

But is the sphere “matter”? It seems more like an effect than an object.

I imagine this can’t come up often though. Maybe there is only one such sphere on any given plane.


Thunder999 wrote:
Since neither are immune and no special effect is listed, either they both get destroyed if we consider them both to have touched each other, or one just gets sucked into the other if one is considered to somehow affect the other first.

As artifacts, they are immune to destruction by any means other than (a) those listed in their Destruction section and (b) those effects that specifically affect artifacts.

Or not. This isn't in Rules Questions™, so basically whatever seems thematically appropriate.


I think my inclination is for them to simply pass through each other and not interact with each other in any meaningful way. Part of the problem is that if you allow a sphere of annihilation to destroy another sphere of annihilation then this becomes a valid method for destroying other artifacts.

If you want it to be really cataclysmic then why not make it really horrible, make it so that instead of destroying each other they create a new sphere each time. Even worse make it so that the spheres are actually attracted to each other. However, when they come into contact both are thrown backwards a distance equal to twice the distance it moved toward the sphere and the additional sphere of annihilation that gets flung in a random direction at the same distance.

round 1 you have 2 spheres
round 2 you have 3 spheres
round 3 you have 6 spheres
round 4 you have 30 spheres

and so forth
since they "bounce" double the distance each time this would create an expanding spherical region where effectively everything within gets obliterated. Perhaps this is how the plane of air originally came to be.


You could also go the other way and say they repulse each other like they both have a negative charge.


Yqatuba wrote:
Do they just annihilate each other with no other effects? Or do they explode, like what happens when you use a rod of cancellation on one? Or something else all together?

Love.


I vote for pass through each other. They suck in any matter. The are not themselves made out of matter, at least that's what I think from various things in their description. Plus game wise it doesn't cause a bunch of problems. :)


I mostly wonder why they don't just fall to the center/bottom of the world? They seem to sit on the ground, but do they not annihilate the ground?


Melkiador wrote:
I mostly wonder why they don't just fall to the center/bottom of the world? They seem to sit on the ground, but do they not annihilate the ground?

Don't they float?

Although that does not explain why they have not anhiliated the atmoshpere by now...

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There is more than one?

/cevah


They are all from the same source material, they bounce.


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I can't even imagine how this would come up.


Cevah wrote:

There is more than one?

/cevah

In parhfinder the sphere is considered to be a minor artifact. Which is defined as the following

artifacts wrote:
Minor artifacts are not necessarily unique items. Even so, they are magic items that no longer can be created, at least by common mortal means.

So, in theory you could find a bunch of them sitting around in long forgotten armory in numeria.


A while back I looked into them and it seems that there are multiple spheres in their original setting. I can't remember details, but I think it had something to do with Tiamat.


Melkiador wrote:
I mostly wonder why they don't just fall to the center/bottom of the world? They seem to sit on the ground, but do they not annihilate the ground?

They float. A sphere has no mass and therefore isn't obligated to acknowledge gravity. If you have control of a sphere and force it downward, you basically create a small wellshaft (or, if you angle it, a slide! Wheee!) But it ordinarily just remains wherever it was when the prior user lost interest.

The weird part is that they do retain their position relative to other objects. If they didn't, they'd only be stationary relative to the Prime Plane as a whole - the rotation and revolution of Golarion would essentially yank the whole planet out from around the sphere, like that trick of whisking a tablecloth away without disturbing the dishes on top of it. Except, of course, that in this case a number of those dishes would have big holes punched through them as the tablecloth left.


LBHills wrote:
A sphere has no mass and therefore isn't obligated to acknowledge gravity.

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Artofregicide wrote:
Yqatuba wrote:
Do they just annihilate each other with no other effects? Or do they explode, like what happens when you use a rod of cancellation on one? Or something else all together?
Love.

This. The lights go down. Barry White plays in the background. The lights come back up and the two spheres are smoking cigarettes and there's a tiny sphere of annihilation between them.


I would run it as "they merge into one sphere of original size."

Spin this out as "originally there was only one sphere of annihilation- a point of infinite mass that was contained by magic to have only a localized effect. If you divide an infinite mass in half, you have two infinite masses, if you smush two infinite masses together you have one infinite mass."

So a character, who can figure out how to divide the thing (extremely difficult and dangerous) can have as many spheres of annihilation as they want.

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