Dotting for interest. I plan on making firearms in my next 2e game, and these rules sounds like they will really help
Have you considered submitting this to the zenith games guide to guides? It would get a lot of visibility and covers a niche many people are interested in
Looks neat and pretty similar to something that came up during playtest - just with extra detail. Could be really useful :)
How/where can I do that? Also, I have rules for gun traits elsewhere I can give to you if you want.
There's a thread called "2nd edition guide to guides" or something along those lines on the forums. Drop a link to this thread and ask to be added.
I already have some ideas for gun traits, but I'd love to see your's for comparison!
I'm handling guns by creating the following trait:
Magazine: The magazine trait is always followed by a number (ex magazine 6). This indicates the number of time you can Strike with the weapon before having to take a reload action again (so a revolver with magazine 6 could be fired 6 times before needing to be reloaded)
In my setting, most guns are martial weapons, with a couple of simple guns, and possibly a couple advanced guns. Most guns with the magazine trait will have reload 1, though I might make an especially nasty one with reload 2. This trait also works nicely for making repeating crossbows and the like.
Love the guide, I'm going to have a lot of fun throwing weird weapons at my players with this, but I do have a few editorial notes;
- -Some of the bullet points on page 1 have periods at the end, some do not. one (the one that speaks about uncommon) has both. I would choose one and stick with it, probably periods at the end for all since you do have some that are full or multiple sentences.
- -Page 1, bullet point 3, die is the singular form of dice.
- -Page one bullet point 10, the wording is ambiguous. Perhaps "You may choose not to use all of your points."?
- -Page one bullet point 11, dice to die again. I'm also not sure what you're intending by the phrase "you may turn go past it".
- -Table on page two, flaw in the first column and row should be capitalized to match the other column headers.
- -Same table, row 1 column 3 boost is misspelled.
- -Same table, row 2 column 3, loading is misspelled.
- -Lethality table, lethal should be capitalized to match the other table headings.
- -Page 3, boons table, capitalization is all over the place, probably switch all to uppercase to match previous tables.
- -*notation, dice to die again.
- -**notation, fatal misspelled.
- -***notation, unprecedented misspelled (though you did get die this time).
While it would complicate things a bit to program in, you currently do not have anything preventing a weapon from being (hopefully accidentally) both Martial and Advanced, let alone Advanced, Advanced, Advanced, Advanced.
Now, Clearly, anyone trying to pull that sort of shenanigans should have their proposal reviewed carefully ....
One option is to make an extra drop down table with: Simple, Martial, Advanced as the only options, and force it as an option, likely the first.
On the typo front: Expensive is correct, expencive is not.
If I remember a post from Mark correctly, the developers did have a rule, probably much like the one you deduced, but they also made custom adjustments for some weapons.
For example they deemed that some combinations of traits had too good of a synergy, and avoided to put them on weapons or nerfed those weapons in a different way.
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If I remember a post from Mark correctly, the developers did have a rule, probably much like the one you deduced, but they also made custom adjustments for some weapons.
For example they deemed that some combinations of traits had too good of a synergy, and avoided to put them on weapons or nerfed those weapons in a different way.
Yes, there's numerous things more complicated that are holistic. As I mentioned in the post you reference here, another factor is that some of the traits define a special (lower) ceiling but don't "cost" that much once you're already under the ceiling. It's why Pronate's system will pretty easily let you build, for instance, a two-handed 1d12 damage die finesse weapon, but you will not see a weapon like that from Paizo.
Oh, this is cool, I'll definitely keep this handy.
about 90% accurate.
Where does that comes from? In regular already existing weapons it detects with 90% accuracy? Or something else?
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There are some strange combos (as Mark mentioned) and also class abilities factor in.
So a Finesse weapon has to account for giving Dex to damage (Thief) & Sneak Attack. 2H w/ d8 represents a hard cap on those exactly because of this.
An Agile weapon also enables Sneak Attack (and pretty much costs a die type already, as well as having no 2H options.)
A Simple weapon can be bumped up a die (if tied to deity) and also can enable Sneak Attack (Ruffian) so it needs a 2H/1d8 hard cap too (and the Ruffian Racket reinforces this by disallowing d10+ to work w/ Sneak Attack).
Also, some crit abilities are better than others, so each Weapon Group has its own innate score.
But a Simple, Agile, Finesse weapon shouldn't be dinged 3x for stacking w/ Sneak Attack, right? So perhaps "Sneak Attack" should be listed as a separate advantage, counted only once (and putting in a d8 limit).
I have to wonder how a Light Mace's Blunt & Shove are meant to be comparable to a Dagger's Piercing/Slashing & Thrown 10' and a Sickle's Slashing & Trip.
I'm thinking that if there's a formula, there's nuance in the scoring of traits, but variance in the ranges for different types.
I also wonder if the devs are laughing because they worked this out holistically knowing the issues w/ formulae.
Guessing for light mace it's because blunt damage has lowest resistance very unlikely to have monster be immune to it.
Yes, blunt > slashing > piercing.
(My biases from PF1 may be showing, though it seems the hierarchy remains in PF2.)Versatile slashing/piercing seems like a lesser trait.
Guessing for light mace it's because blunt damage has lowest resistance very unlikely to have monster be immune to it.Yes, blunt > slashing > piercing.
(My biases from PF1 may be showing, though it seems the hierarchy remains in PF2.)Versatile slashing/piercing seems like a lesser trait.
Pathfinder 1 Zombies had DR 5/Slashing. Pathfinder 2 Zombies seem to have converted this to Vulnerability to Slashing -- I don't know if anything in Pathfinder 2 has special resistance to Bludgeoning, but even so, if you're in a Night of the Living Dead campaign, you might not want to have only a Bludgeoning weapon (although you will definitely want to have one on hand, since in such a campaign, things with a Skeleton structure will also be quite common).
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When I run the numbers on existing weapons, the vast majority of them are all around -2 (overpowered). Something may be off in terms of the weighting.
Or - bear with me here - perhaps you did something wrong?
Since thread OP says they did the numbers and got 90% accuracy...
I might be missing something, but do you gain points for going down to d4 damage instead of d6?
Made some alternative Monk weapons for my 5E Kensei, in case I ever port her over for no good reason, and found this helpful! Just wanted to note that Spiked Chain and Elven Curved Blade seem to suggest that being two-handed only gives 3 points instead of 6 if the weapon also has Finesse, which I found reasonable. Also, Forceful seems to be a touch undervalued, I think it's probably a 2 point trait.
~~~Finesse, Monk, Reach, Shove, Trip
Chain Whip 1d6 B 2H Martial Flail
~~~Backswing, Disarm, Finesse, Monk, Reach, Sweep
Alternate Sword 1d8 S 2H Martial Sword
~~~Deadly d10, Finesse, Monk, Versatile P
These were designed to be swapped on the fly with a Shifting rune to approach permissive 5E rules, and the character doesn't use a shield, so all being two-handed makes a certain sense and allows for interesting traits aplenty (despite low damage). I know that Backswing and Sweep on the Chain Whip are strange bedfellows — I may tinker with these more someday, but for now I need to clear my head of obsessive and fruitless character building.
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When I run the numbers on existing weapons, the vast majority of them are all around -2 (overpowered). Something may be off in terms of the weighting.Or - bear with me here - perhaps you did something wrong?
Since thread OP says they did the numbers and got 90% accuracy...
Hey, where did all the posts by Isthisnametaken? vanish? I was curious how did their second look at the values go...
^Must be Irori's curse . . . .
Ok so this is good by these rules?
1 handed martial custom sword with 1d6, Agile, Backswing, and Forceful
Slashing
Lethal
I noticed this guide doesnt ask us to pick a weapon group for critical effects.
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To update this, anyone care to double check these newer traits:
Cobbled
Alchemical
Clockwork
Monk
Nonlethal
Vehicular
[Race trait]
Brace
Capacity
Climbing
Combination
Concealable
Hampering
Injection
Modular
Ranged Trip
Razing
Recovery
Tethered
Training
Concussive
Critical Fusion [requires Combination]
Double Barrel
Fatal Aim
Resonant
Kickback
Repeating
Scatter
Dotting for future reference.