Greetings folks. I just need some clarification.
For Brutish Shove if the attack misses is the target still flat footed?
This sounds like a good feat.
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Eh, it's so-so.
If you want to move an enemy then you get to shove the opponent with your Strike value, rather than your Athletics value. So you are likely to get +2 or +3 out of it. This is valuable if you want to move him out of a choke point, or knock him off a cliff/pier (if 5' movement will do this). And it makes him flat-footed for any following attacks, so you don't get a full -5 when you swing on him next.
The 'flat-footed until the end of your turn if you fail' is kind of a sop to people who failed: it doesn't help other party members. Without this, I'd rate the feat as poor.
But note the requirements: you must be using a two-handed weapon, & the creature must be your size or smaller.
With an Athletics/Shove, it can be done to a creature one size larger than you... but you must have a free hand or a weapon with the Shove trait. Such weapons include Light Mace (Agile & Finesse = Rogue), Warhammer (1 handed) and Greatclub (2 handed).
Note: This is a feat with situational usage. Power Attack (frex) is usefull any time you have two actions left.
Eh, it's so-so.
If you want to move an enemy then you get to shove the opponent with your Strike value, rather than your Athletics value. So you are likely to get +2 or +3 out of it. This is valuable if you want to move him out of a choke point, or knock him off a cliff/pier (if 5' movement will do this). And it makes him flat-footed for any following attacks, so you don't get a full -5 when you swing on him next.
The 'flat-footed until the end of your turn if you fail' is kind of a sop to people who failed: it doesn't help other party members. Without this, I'd rate the feat as poor.
But note the requirements: you must be using a two-handed weapon, & the creature must be your size or smaller.
With an Athletics/Shove, it can be done to a creature one size larger than you... but you must have a free hand or a weapon with the Shove trait. Such weapons include Light Mace (Agile & Finesse = Rogue), Warhammer (1 handed) and Greatclub (2 handed).
Note: This is a feat with situational usage. Power Attack (frex) is usefull any time you have two actions left.
It is situational great, but you can also always use it (if you're using the right kind of weapon, and you wouldn't take the feat if that wasn't your focus) and the flat-footed can help you land a hit on the third strike if that's your jam.
And unlike a normal shove, you still do your strike damage, which it seems you may be overlooking.
It also has an optional step if you land it. So you can reposition enemies and yourself. That's a lot for a second a free action from a second level feat.
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The fighter in my home group uses Brutish Shove (and Powerful Shove) all the time. It works really well with the rogue's Opportune Backstab, especially when the rogue hasn't had a chance to flank yet. It also helps out in cases where the other party members have some trouble hitting a foe. The rest of the party Readies an attack that goes off as soon as the Brutish Shove is done.
Also, as mentioned above, getting to move enemies around is really helpful and lets the fighter have some fun battlefield control.
Oh, you also don't have the critical failure risks associated with normal combat maneuvers on Brutish Shove, which is great. Plus, the first time you shove an enemy off a cliff to its demise? The feat will be your new favorite.
My biggest gripe is I feel like it should interact with Titan Wrestler somehow.