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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Like I said, just a rumor. Plus they have to wait for the Netflic thing to expire...whatever that means.

It just means that the contract essentially has a non-compete clause.

Marvel has to wait a specified amount of time after the contract expires before they can use those characters. I’ve heard it’s two years, but more recently there have been rumblings that there might be an exception of some kind being worked on / negotiated.

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Marvel Television Head Jeph Loeb Announces His Exit Following Kevin Feige Being Placed In Charge

Not surprising.


Yeah but I hope that means they won't NOT use some or all of the actors from some of the TV shows.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah but I hope that means they won't NOT use some or all of the actors from some of the TV shows.

Yeah, I'd definitely like to see the actors for Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Colleen Wing and Trish Walker, in particular, carry on those roles.


Exactly. I know Jon Bernthal's Punisher is in the mix.

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No actual news bumping this up. Just a thought I had while reading my new books.

I wonder how they're going to handle any new X-Men movies/TV shows. Are they going to keep it a bit more old school, since the existing movies are what the informs the general public knowledge of all things mutant? Or, will they go with the new X-paradigm, Krakoa and what not?

Or, maybe they'll start off a bit more old school, then build up to Krakoa.

All I know is, if I get to see a proper Nimrod (not that bastardized version from the movie), I'll be somewhat happy. Hell, I'd settle for a more comic book version of regular sentinels.

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I've been seeing a lot of rumors and speculation that Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness will have a DC Crisis type of effect on the MCU, and could be used to introduce mutants in a newly re-formed world or something.


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JoelF847 wrote:
I've been seeing a lot of rumors and speculation that Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness will have a DC Crisis type of effect on the MCU, and could be used to introduce mutants in a newly re-formed world or something.

I really hope not. Universe rewrites generally suck.

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Folding the FF into the existing MCU would be easy, as long as folks don't mind them not being Marvel's first super hero team.

Mutants might be a bit harder, since they would have write them as being in hiding all these years. Not undoable, given a good writing team.

I occasioanlly wonder if Disney wouldn't just go ahead and make a separate cinematic universe for the FF and mutants. I doubt it, though, since that might make it more difficult (confusing for the general movie going public) to use some of the associated villains and characters in the regular MCU.


Aberzombie wrote:

Folding the FF into the existing MCU would be easy, as long as folks don't mind them not being Marvel's first super hero team.

Mutants might be a bit harder, since they would have write them as being in hiding all these years. Not undoable, given a good writing team.

I occasioanlly wonder if Disney wouldn't just go ahead and make a separate cinematic universe for the FF and mutants. I doubt it, though, since that might make it more difficult (confusing for the general movie going public) to use some of the associated villains and characters in the regular MCU.

Personally, I'd like to see the FF as an existing group, who'd been off having cosmic adventures in the Negative Zone or something for years.

Kind of like Captain Marvel was an older hero, but off in space.

As for the X-Men, if they were going to start over, it wouldn't be too hard to bring them in as pre-existing, but very rare and underground with some hand waving about more found since the various recent cosmic events. Even in the comics universe, the explanation for there being so many more mutants since Xavier started recruiting is pretty hand-wavy. A handful of older mentor figures and villains with mostly younger mutants is how it all started.

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The problem with introducing mutants as "always having been there" is there's not even a hint of mutant prejudice (aside from a bit on Jessica Jones on Netflix). Part of the entire mutant story is that they're persecuted, which isn't the case for all of the other MCU heroes. (okay, there is some towards the ones who didn't sign the accords, but not for being powered).


All I know is I want to see something like Secret War 2015 meeting up with Secret Invasion and thus mutants and FF showing up.

But that's just me.

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In other phase 4 news, Mark Ruffalo has said there's been talks about Hulk and/or Bruce Banner showing up in She-hulk TV series.

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Yeah, I was happy to hear that bit about Mark Ruffalo. He's been an awesome (to me, anyway) Bruce Banner. Not to mention, I don't think the She-Hulk story would work as well if you didn't have him show up.

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The need him for the origin at least.


Charles Scholz wrote:

The need him for the origin at least.

Unless they change it. "After being exposed to a faulty coronavirus test kit, Jennifer Walters begins to absorb and concentrate ambient gamma radiation..."

They'd need to reference Bruce for the origin, but he wouldn't have to appear on screen; no need to show the actual blood transfusion. In Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Oz unwittingly became a werewolf when his baby cousin bit him while he was babysitting. We never saw the kid, but did get Oz's end of a phone call to his aunt:

Oz: Aunt Maureen. Hey, it's me. Um, what? Oh! It's, uh... actually it's healing okay. That's pretty much the reason I called. Um, I wanted to ask you something. Is Jordy a werewolf? Uh-huh. And how long has that been going on? Uh-huh. What? No, no reason. Um... Thanks. Yeah, love to Uncle Ken.


Damon,

Maybe not but these days unless you get a cameo, people will complain.

But I am looking forward to a) who they cast as Jen (in human form) and b) her interactions with Bruce.

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Recent rumors are pointing toward Allison Brie, which would be pretty excellent


Nah. Don't like her.


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I'm not convinced she's a good fit...but at the same time I wasn't thrilled when they replaced Edward Norton as Bruce...so what do I know?


I'd kind of like to see Cobie Smulders take on Jennifer Walters, as long as there's no likelihood of Maria Hill making an appearance.

My gut reaction to Allison Brie in the role is...no.

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I know next to nothing about She Hulk, so I have no idea if she’s the best fit for the character, but Allison Brie is a really good and versatile actress - she can do comedy and serious drama very well. I’m surprised to see folks say they don’t like her.

Cobie Smulders is a cool actress and she’s awesome in Stumptown (really good show by the way). It would be REALLY odd to cast her in this show though since she already has a role in the MCU. The Disney+ shows and the Marvel movies are going to be fully integrated and intertwined together in the MCU, so even if Hill doesn’t actually appear in She Hulk, it would still be jarring if we see Cobie Smulders in both roles.


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Damon,

I'm siding with Marc on this. Cobie is pretty much Maria Hill until Marvel says otherwise. That plus she's already got a successful TV show means she probably would be reduced for cameos at best.

Marc,

I'm not saying I don't LIKE her. I just am not convinced she's the BEST choice.

Scarab Sages

Well, that's....unexpected.

Kumail Nanjiani Says 'The Eternals' Has a Bollywood Dance Number

Given the context in which he presents it, I can totally see it. Personally, I think it's another example of how Disney is a master maximizing their potential audience.


A dance number? what the...


...look, brains and brawn is an extremely tough cast, especially since the level of athleticism required without CGI would be pretty high for a Hulk, be it a She or a He Hulk...

...however, I think the brains and brawn combo already exists... already in the form of a tough female lawyer...

If that doesn't work, I also have another excellent female lawyer impersonator!

:)


Kyra, Level 4 Pregen! wrote:
A dance number? what the...

I'd assume as in intro to the character in his secret identity. Doubt it'll actually be a full piece.


I doubt it will be too but considering his 'secret identity' is a Bollywood star, it makes sense.

Also Katherine Heigl wouldn't be a BAD choice...just not my first choice.


Well, Jen was, at first at least, a bit of a dormouse, which is why the outgoing, gregarious She-Hulk was such a difference, size and strength aside.

Since the Disney+ shows are supposed to have movie-level budget, having an actress that looks the part of pre-gamma Jen, with a giant cgi She-Hulk, would be excellent. Obviously, the actress would need to be able to ACT the part of both, but not have to look like she could be She-Hulk.


KahnyaGnorc wrote:

Well, Jen was, at first at least, a bit of a dormouse, which is why the outgoing, gregarious She-Hulk was such a difference, size and strength aside.

Since the Disney+ shows are supposed to have movie-level budget, having an actress that looks the part of pre-gamma Jen, with a giant cgi She-Hulk, would be excellent. Obviously, the actress would need to be able to ACT the part of both, but not have to look like she could be She-Hulk.

Though I'd rather have the green lawyer She-Hulk.

Always my favorite version of the character. Start with an actress who can look the part and just use the CGI to scale her up a bit. And to go green of course.
She-Hulk was generally proportionally more human-looking than Hulk.


thejeff,

Well to be fair, the Hulk is supposed be 'monster-ish" I mean that's why I love Immortal Hulk because it went for body horror.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

thejeff,

Well to be fair, the Hulk is supposed be 'monster-ish" I mean that's why I love Immortal Hulk because it went for body horror.

Oh definitely - the Hulk's always been monster-ish. She-Hulk went for a different approach, at least for much of her history and I liked it for the contrast.


thejeff wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:

Well, Jen was, at first at least, a bit of a dormouse, which is why the outgoing, gregarious She-Hulk was such a difference, size and strength aside.

Since the Disney+ shows are supposed to have movie-level budget, having an actress that looks the part of pre-gamma Jen, with a giant cgi She-Hulk, would be excellent. Obviously, the actress would need to be able to ACT the part of both, but not have to look like she could be She-Hulk.

Though I'd rather have the green lawyer She-Hulk.

Always my favorite version of the character. Start with an actress who can look the part and just use the CGI to scale her up a bit. And to go green of course.
She-Hulk was generally proportionally more human-looking than Hulk.

Can you really get someone who can look the part of both a weak, mousey person AND a muscled amazon? The before and after for Cap and the super soldier serum is a smaller difference (though closer than Bruce and Hulk, I'd say), and before Cap looked rather freaky.


Eh. I mean I hardly noticed it THAT much, Kah...

(keeps his Kang colored glasses on...)


JoelF847 wrote:
The problem with introducing mutants as "always having been there" is there's not even a hint of mutant prejudice (aside from a bit on Jessica Jones on Netflix). Part of the entire mutant story is that they're persecuted, which isn't the case for all of the other MCU heroes. (okay, there is some towards the ones who didn't sign the accords, but not for being powered).

Mutants could be 'The Snap activated something and people are changing.' Xavier could start the school as a way of training mutants and protecting them.

Doom could be like Wakanda and gather people together during the 5 year skip,


Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.

How do you explain them in the comics? Why are they all over the place now, compared to even 50 years ago. There were always a few, but after "X" they became common.

I think it was originally radiation from nuclear tests, but not sure that still makes sense.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.

You could easily explain it with Dooms Genius. I mean he could build all what wakanda can even without the mcguffin^^


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thejeff wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.

How do you explain them in the comics? Why are they all over the place now, compared to even 50 years ago. There were always a few, but after "X" they became common.

I think it was originally radiation from nuclear tests, but not sure that still makes sense.

I think that was the Explanation in the start, but that went out of the window after mutants like Apocalypse or the even older Selene showing up^^


lowfyr01 wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.

How do you explain them in the comics? Why are they all over the place now, compared to even 50 years ago. There were always a few, but after "X" they became common.

I think it was originally radiation from nuclear tests, but not sure that still makes sense.
I think that was the Explanation in the start, but that went out of the window after mutants like Apocalypse or the even older Selene showing up^^

But even with them there needs to be some explanation for why there's been such a huge surge in recent years.

The same approach could be used in the movieverse to have both the occasional older mutant and many new ones with their powers activated since the Snap.


??

Isn't Apocalypse older than Selene though?
(Albeit, not by much...)

Also, isn't the existence of mutants ultimately due to the Celestials who placed the potential for it in the human genome (which'd account for the rare ancient mutant) & that the background radiation of the modern age jump-started the surge of mutations we see now?

Oh, also, time travel shenanigans somewhere... <shrug?>

Carry on, I guess,

--C.


Psiphyre wrote:

??

Isn't Apocalypse older than Selene though?
(Albeit, not by much...)

Also, isn't the existence of mutants ultimately due to the Celestials who placed the potential for it in the human genome (which'd account for the rare ancient mutant) & that the background radiation of the modern age jump-started the surge of mutations we see now?

Oh, also, time travel shenanigans somewhere... <shrug?>

Carry on, I guess,

--C.

Selene is supposedly older according to one bit of backstory and there may be a few others. It's not like there's any real coordination - random bits of backstory get added as writers want them.

The background radiation thing kind of made sense back in the 60s, but with the sliding timeline, the surge in mutants can only really be a decade or so old.

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Psiphyre wrote:

??

Isn't Apocalypse older than Selene though?
(Albeit, not by much...)

Current 'canon' is that Pocy is about 3000 years old, and Selene is at least 10,000 years old (and was active back in the Hyborean age of Conan and whatnot, predating written history). Who knows how much or little that is considered canon currently, although Conan is back in heavy rotation at Marvel, as one of the Savage Avengers, so it's probably back on the menu.

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Also, isn't the existence of mutants ultimately due to the Celestials who placed the potential for it in the human genome (which'd account for the rare ancient mutant) & that the background radiation of the modern age jump-started the surge of mutations we see now?

Yup. Remains to be seen if they'll tie the Celestials hinted at in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies to humanity's potential for mutation in the MCU.

It would be simple enough to say that humans like Wanda and Pietro, or Peter Parker or Bruce Banner or Steve Rogers or T'Challa, could only have superhuman powers unlocked by Infinity Stones or radiation or heart-shaped herbs or whatever, *because* of that earlier tinkering by the Celestials, and that a race of beings who hadn't been so modified would just suffer the usual effects of a massive dose of gamma rays or a transgenic toxic spider bite (a painful lingering death, most likely).

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Q: dear Marvel-savvy people, when is the next new Marvel offering on Disney+? I've had that thing for a while now and since the Mandalorian is done, I don't want to keep this subscription idle if say, new Marvel stuff isn't starting until the Fall or 2021... thanks!

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Q: dear Marvel-savvy people, when is the next new Marvel offering on Disney+? I've had that thing for a while now and since the Mandalorian is done, I don't want to keep this subscription idle if say, new Marvel stuff isn't starting until the Fall or 2021... thanks!

Both Falcon and Winter Soldier and Wandavision are coming 2nd half of 2020 (August and December). (and new season of Clone Wars is playing now)

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KahnyaGnorc wrote:
thejeff wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:

Well, Jen was, at first at least, a bit of a dormouse, which is why the outgoing, gregarious She-Hulk was such a difference, size and strength aside.

Since the Disney+ shows are supposed to have movie-level budget, having an actress that looks the part of pre-gamma Jen, with a giant cgi She-Hulk, would be excellent. Obviously, the actress would need to be able to ACT the part of both, but not have to look like she could be She-Hulk.

Though I'd rather have the green lawyer She-Hulk.

Always my favorite version of the character. Start with an actress who can look the part and just use the CGI to scale her up a bit. And to go green of course.
She-Hulk was generally proportionally more human-looking than Hulk.
Can you really get someone who can look the part of both a weak, mousey person AND a muscled amazon?

Yes. Her name is Alison Brie. Check out GLOW if you haven't. Besides, check out GLOW anyway because it's insane.

Besides if they can fold Ruffalo's looks well into 8 foot tall Hulk, they can make CGI She-Hulk with Brie's features (or any other appropriate actress) just fine.


DeathQuaker wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:
thejeff wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:

Well, Jen was, at first at least, a bit of a dormouse, which is why the outgoing, gregarious She-Hulk was such a difference, size and strength aside.

Since the Disney+ shows are supposed to have movie-level budget, having an actress that looks the part of pre-gamma Jen, with a giant cgi She-Hulk, would be excellent. Obviously, the actress would need to be able to ACT the part of both, but not have to look like she could be She-Hulk.

Though I'd rather have the green lawyer She-Hulk.

Always my favorite version of the character. Start with an actress who can look the part and just use the CGI to scale her up a bit. And to go green of course.
She-Hulk was generally proportionally more human-looking than Hulk.
Can you really get someone who can look the part of both a weak, mousey person AND a muscled amazon?

Yes. Her name is Alison Brie. Check out GLOW if you haven't. Besides, check out GLOW anyway because it's insane.

Besides if they can fold Ruffalo's looks well into 8 foot tall Hulk, they can make CGI She-Hulk with Brie's features (or any other appropriate actress) just fine.

I don't really know where they're going with She-Hulk, but for a good part of her comics career she was She-Hulk full time, rather than switching back and forth. If they took that route, which I'd like, you'd want to have an actress who looked as much the muscled amazon as possible. Use CGI like they did for pre-muscles Steve in the origin sequence and flashbacks.

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The Rock let slip that some of the Guardians of the Galaxy will appear in Thor: Love and Thunder


Joel,

What does the Rock know about Marvel? I mean I get he's Black Adam...but I didn't think DC and Marvel stars mixed that much.

As for who is older, I had thought Apocalypse, but then someone rightly mentioned Selene fighting against Kulan Gath who was around when Conan was...so yeah. She's older. Also point out that the Eternals, the Deviants and regular humans were still around...sort of. I think Lemuria might be in the ocean by that point...

I'm not against Allison Brie. I just don't see it DQ. That's all I'm saying. Much like I said "I'm not sure I feel ready to recast Bruce Banner after the Hulk movie."

Also PDK, Joel is correct, both Falcon and the Winter Soldier plus Wandavision are coming out this year; Some time in August for Falcon, winter time for Wandavision.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Philip,

The Snap creating Mutants I COULD see but then how do you retcon much OLDER mutants, like say Apocalypse?

I don't see Latveria working the same way that Wakanda does. Mostly because Latveria doesn't have magic rocks.

Doom has magic and high-tech. Provide a sense of order because people are freaking out over The Snap(Trains run on time) and he could do it. Homes, medical care, food. Families were torn apart so offering a place to stay is a big draw.

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