Infernal Healing & Eschew Material


Rules Questions


Does Eschew Material allow to cast Infernal Healing without fiend's blood?


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Yup.

You can cast any spell with a material component costing 1 gp or less without needing that component. The casting of the spell still provokes attacks of opportunity as normal. If the spell requires a material component that costs more than 1 gp, you must have the material component on hand to cast the spell, as normal.
Components V, S, M (1 drop of devil blood or 1 dose of unholy water)
A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process. Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don’t bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch.


Thank you!


That also means a 5gp spell component pouch contains as much fiend blood as you could possibly use. 5gp is usually easier to come by than a feat.


Meirril wrote:
That also means a 5gp spell component pouch contains as much fiend blood as you could possibly use. 5gp is usually easier to come by than a feat.

This is also true, you could buy 10 backup pouches as a first level character and still have change.

It's not a terrible feat though, so if you feel you need it: "It's better to have and not need ..."


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Well the feat means you don't have to touch bat poop when casting fireball so id say its a fair trade.


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doomman47 wrote:
Well the feat means you don't have to touch bat poop when casting fireball so id say its a fair trade.

Best reason to take a feat. Ever.

Or, wear gloves.


doomman47 wrote:
Well the feat means you don't have to touch bat poop when casting fireball so id say its a fair trade.

If guano bothers you I'd suggest not 'adventuring'. Did I ever tell you about the time I had to crawl through a colossal living demon to infiltrate Orcus' inner sanctum? No? I'd rather not talk about it!


The bat poop is consumed in the casting, so your fingers should end up poop-free. If not, well, of course you prepares prestidigitation, right?


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Eschew Materials isn't really worth it unless your campaign is in prison or an environment where components are really hard to come by, or you are bunking in the Thieve's Guild.

one assumes that casters learn during their apprentice years how much guano to use, besides, you can roll it in balls and dry it, sprinkle a few on your leshy friend.


On an only slightly tangential note, is Bloodmoney a legal spell for PFS? I thought they banned it, but I'm seeing it listed on Archive of Nethys as legal. That is a great spell to know if your caster wakes up naked in a cell. Especially if he also can cast lesser restoration.


sadly No. Bloodmoney had a few years where you could use it and NOW it is non-PFS. high level witches and their detractors Check Add'l Resources.


Wow. The newly organized Paizo sight is brutal. 10 minutes and I still can't find the additional resources. Where did they hide it?


Finally found it. Had to google it. Could not for life of me find it by navigating the web sight.

Anyway, yep bloodmoney is banned. I had thought so. The thing that threw me off was that Archives of Nethys marked it as legal. That sight is usually pretty much on the ball. It's my quick reference for legality when I'm GMing and somebody brings something to the table I don't recognize.


just use google search for whatever you're looking for, paizo pathfinder additional resources.

Add'l Resources


MrCharisma wrote:

Yup.

You can cast any spell with a material component costing 1 gp or less without needing that component. The casting of the spell still provokes attacks of opportunity as normal. If the spell requires a material component that costs more than 1 gp, you must have the material component on hand to cast the spell, as normal.
Components V, S, M (1 drop of devil blood or 1 dose of unholy water)
A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process. Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don’t bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch.

A strict reading of material costs, would let you do this. However, it should be noted that the material component listed has a cost of 25gp. A similar reading would negate the material costs of the following spells as well.

Transformation(req. a potion of bull's strength)
Rest Eternal (req. holy or unholy water)
Absolution (req. holy water)

and possibly the holy/unholy ice spells as they give an option of two different materials you can use only one of which lists a price.


A drop of devil blood has a listed cost?


blahpers wrote:
A drop of devil blood has a listed cost?

a dose of unholy water has a listed cost of 25 gp. So far as I've been able to tell when a spell gives you multiple options for materials you can use, they tend to have equivalent monetary values. Such as the aforementioned holy/unholy ice spells.


A flask of unholy water has a listed cost of 25 gp. Rest eternal and absolution list a vial as a component, which does not have a cost.
We could extrapolate and price the vial of holy water at 1.5 gp but I would think that since holy ice has a flask or a quantity of silver equal in price to the flask that the lack of cost for the vial is intended to mean its covered by a component pouch.
Now, if a player tried to flip that on me and start making full volume flasks from the "unlimited" vials in the pouch we would have a conversation about either they knock that off cause its not in the spirit of the game or they start tracking every component for ever spell and you better believe I would make up prices for everything.


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LordKailas wrote:
blahpers wrote:
A drop of devil blood has a listed cost?
a dose of unholy water has a listed cost of 25 gp. So far as I've been able to tell when a spell gives you multiple options for materials you can use, they tend to have equivalent monetary values. Such as the aforementioned holy/unholy ice spells.

I haven't seen it happen often enough to extrapolate a rule from it. I expect that calling and killing a minor devil is now a huge windfall for an adventurer. Heck, a wizard could make infinite gold by repeatedly juicing their imp familiar and replacing it.


False Focus is strictly better than Eschew Materials.
Skipping up to 100 gp of components is so much better.

/cevah


Cevah wrote:

False Focus is strictly better than Eschew Materials.

Skipping up to 100 gp of components is so much better.

/cevah

Just out of curiosity sake since we don't even use mythic but could that stack with mythic eschew materials to nix 125-200gp off material cost?

Grand Lodge

Well eschew materials makes it easier to cast a still spell while grapled (If the spell has material componements).


Since you can have a tattoo as a holy symbol, as well as having the holy symbol on your armor/robes, you can still use it without needing a hand to hold it.

/cevah

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