Land speed of a laden camel?

[Farabor]

I couldn't figure out the right sub-forum for this. Anyone have a clue on what the land speed of a laden camel should be? And no, I don't know if it's African or European!

[AndIMustMask]

probably the same as a horse (with the appropriate adjustment for load carried).

[iNickedYerKnickers]

It is less than the air speed of an unladen swallow.

[Madame Endor]

Military cavalry horses could travel 50 to 60 miles per day carrying a rider and gear.

The average camel can travel 80 to 120 miles per day carrying a rider.

An Arabian Baggage Camel carrying 440lbs, can travel 40 miles per day.

Camels have considerably more endurance can travel further and do more travel day after day than a horse over long periods of long distance travel with fewer problems particularly in arid climates and going longer without water.

Camels and horses have similar speeds over short distances. The variety of breeds and variation in racing training produces a lot of overlaps for short distance speed between the two animals.

[Vidmaster7]

I'll take surest way to get Monty python quotes for 500 Alex.

Also its 0 if the camel is dead and that sir is a dead camel.

[Vic Ferrari]

One-hump or two?

Of course I heard the original question in the voice of Terry Gilliam, at the Bridge of Death.

[Mergy]

Vidmaster7 wrote:

I'll take surest way to get Monty python quotes for 500 Alex.

Also its 0 if the camel is dead and that sir is a dead camel.

He's not dead, he's just pining for the dunes.

[Sanmei]

Camels have a move speed of 35, therefore they travel three and a half miles per hour or 28 miles in an average day. From page 37 of the PF2E Bestiary.

[Asurasan]

I used the same calculation as Sanmei posted above. Mechanically it felt right for the start of doomsday dawn 2 without trivializing the whole encounter.

[Franz Lunzer]

Also, about how much load you can put on a camel: page 191 has "Bulk Conversions for Different Sizes".
The way that conversion is written though... ugh

A camel is large (*2), with a STR of +3, counting 10 Bulk as 1, so it can carry 169 Bulk before being encumbered, (or a maximum of 269 Bulk) + an unlimited amount of L items.

[DerNils]

Yeah, I always wondered why anyone in DD2 would take more than one camel - it can fit the whole Party and basically the whole dungeon loot plus the enemy Party, if you want to give them a ride - without even being slowed down ;)
As to why some people avoid it, look at one of the various threads on Exploration mode and mounted rules. You either ignore those and feel happy with your camels or try to understand them and leave them the hell alone after a series of unfortunate headaches.

[Kerrilyn]

Um, what if the camel is pulling a cart? How much can the cart hold? Does it slow the camel down? If so, how much? I can't seem to find any of that! >.<

[Chief Cook and Bottlewasher]

I don't think I've ever seen a camel pulling a cart. I don't think horses could effectively before horse collars were invented. I don't think there are any camel collars.

[Corwin Icewolf]

Chief Cook and Bottlewasher wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a camel pulling a cart. I don't think horses could effectively before horse collars were invented. I don't think there are any camel collars.

Camels pulling a cart

[Chief Cook and Bottlewasher]

Corwin Icewolf wrote:

Chief Cook and Bottlewasher wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a camel pulling a cart. I don't think horses could effectively before horse collars were invented. I don't think there are any camel collars.

Camels pulling a cart

Huh. I stand corrected ☺

[Bluenose]

Corwin Icewolf wrote:

Chief Cook and Bottlewasher wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a camel pulling a cart. I don't think horses could effectively before horse collars were invented. I don't think there are any camel collars.

Camels pulling a cart

Yes, it's been done for about 43 centuries now. There are models and pictures from central Asia (and thus, also involving Bactrian camels) dating back that far.

[RazarTuk]

Garundi or Avistani?