As a lover of rats (for those that don't know, goblin dogs are a species of giant rat), I would find nothing cuter than a goblin dog that has a nice healthy fur pelt like that of a rat. Just a big ole rat doggo.
Or maybe Riding Rats can just be available.
I don't think that's anywhere near as cool.
Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Northwestern Indiana
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I think that this is viable. I suspect that the goblin dislike of dogs is that they alert potential enemies, so more civilized goblins might not have a problem with dogs but might prefer the traditional goblin dogs as allies.
I can imagine someone showing mercy to goblin children, taking a few pets, and bringing them all to an orphanage run by clerics of Sarenrae. There, the goblins further develop a love for fire, tolerate or even like dogs, but are very devoted to their goblin dog pups.
I am curious how goblins will be worked in as a core race, but I think that cultures can change. Perhaps a few PFS goblin characters can be cited as heroes who helped uplift their own people, heralding a new and better future for all goblinkind.
Venture-Captain, Minnesota
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I agree that the fate of goblins in PFS 2 is far from decided.
However I am hoping that the Playtest proves both them and their fuzzy little non-diseased goblin pups viable as characters. My very first PBP character was Twitchy Boom Boom, a goblin alchemist in a non-PFS game of We Be Goblins. She was a secret reader. She believed in teamwork, learning things, planning ahead — and setting things on fire. Other than a bit of a fire obsession, she was mission-oriented and clever, and would have worked just fine on a PFS mission.
Those of us who’ve listened to the Glass Cannon podcast’s Playtest session have noted that Skip’s goblin alchemist character is a quite sensible addition to the team, often pointing out things that the humans were too dense to miss.
I know that we’ll see whole tables of goblin characters in the Playtest, and why not? The pent-up demand for goblins as a player race has gone for a very long time. But now people will be able to play their goblin clerics and paladins of Sarenrae. They will be able to try out what it means to be a goblin and a teammate.
With the playtest, we’ll get to see if this works or not. I’m really hoping that it does!
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I will wait to see the impact goblins as a playable race has on PFS. I do not believe it a healthy option for the campaign.
Unless they significantly change the inherent psychology (psychosis?) of a goblin, I 100% agree with you.
And even if they do significantly change the inherent psychology of a goblin, there's 10 years of precedence that they are psychotic little buggers, and I don't foresee that changing in how players play them despite what's written in PF2 core rulebook about them.
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Just because it's core doesn't mean it will be legal for a pc in PFS2.
While I agree with you and I’m not sure I want to see goblin PC’s in PSF2 either, it would be very curious to see a core race not be legal for PC’s.
I think we owe it to the players to give them the benefit of the doubt regarding goblins as PC. If leadership treats players like they can’t be trusted with the responsibilty it reinforces problematic behavior. If there are goblin PC’s, they will still have to uphold the tenets of the Pathfinder Society and if they don’t, it will fall to GM’s then (as it does now) to curb any behavior detrimental to the table.
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I've been skeptical of how this will work out(still am really), but I totally want to play a Goblin Bard. After all the amazing Goblin songs have always been a big part of the Goblin Pregen's charm in We Be Goblins. I think I may try this a my Playtest character.
"We be Lick toads! We make raid!
Put the longshanks to the blade! Burn them up from feet to head,Make them hurt, then make them dead!
Cut the parents into ham, Smush the babies into jam,
All the rest in pot get stewed,
We be Lick toads - you be food!"
Yep, "amazing" songs with a lot of "charm." I'm not sure which is more "charming" and "amazing" - "burn them up from feet to head" or "smush the babies into jam."
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Bad player behavior cannot be blamed on characters. If you allow that excuse as a GM, shame on you. Goblins are like any race at an organized play table: explore, report, cooperate. Not burn, murder, annihilate.
PSA: Don't be a pushover GM. Bad behavior at a table is never allowed.
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Not many goblin pcs are there?Seeing as how this is in the PFS2 playtest forum, and goblins are going to be core in PF2, the OP’s question is fair.
Never said it was not fair. I did ask a question, not make a statement.
I see that goblins are going to be playable now. Not sure how I feel about that. I guess initially it will be annoying but will balance out as PF2.0 matures.
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They could save the Goblins as the first GM boon race.
I would rather see the entire limited boon release program be scrapped. If something is balance and okay for play, make it legal. If not, keep it banned. There is some validity to the complaints from players about accessibility fairness. Maybe, I emphasize maybe we can allow some one-offs for charity boons since the focus is not the game but the charity. I am however, in favor of boons including not standard bonuses, unique magic item access, etc. Just not core game components like race. YMMV
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Bad player behavior cannot be blamed on characters
Generally that is true, but we don't have to allow rules that will specifically encourage them either. Its one of the reasons why things like master summoners and evil alignments are banned. Yes, there are plenty of players who could be trusted to play a cooperative, non-disruptive evil character. However, there is a very large group of those who cannot, including many people who "think" they are playing okay, but are actually disrupting because different people have different styles. Sure we could just deal with them on a case-by-case basis, but the more questionable/borderline material we allow, the more frequent the disruptive behavior becomes and the more time we spent battling it. That is no fun for anyone and drives players away in short order.
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Players are the ones we hold responsible. Goblins and even Evil Alignments are just dots on graph paper. If a player can't behave, then that's on the player and it won't matter what race or alignment that player has on his sheet.
Frankly, I'm excited as all get out to have even a slim chance to play a goblin.