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Yesterday I asked ChatGPT to tell me about 20th century philosopher Johann Cellarius. It gave me a full work-up of him, including birth and death years, his broken engagement and its impact on his thought, and his major philosophical works and ideas. A sophomore research paper could not have done a better job. Except...

I made that name up.

Also, if I were a reckless billionaire I would totally pay period-accurate craftspeople to make a Barkyeux Tapestry.


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Barkyeux Tapestry wins the internet today.


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How derivative were the musings of Cellarius? Anything noteworthy?


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Could you please summarize the works of 20th century philosopher Johann Cellarius?

Johann Cellarius (1866–1929) was a German philosopher, though not as widely recognized as some of his contemporaries, he made notable contributions to philosophy, particularly in areas of metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics. While he is not as famous as figures like Kant, Hegel, or Nietzsche, his work still holds significance within specific philosophical circles.

Works:

Cellarius’s philosophical output mainly focused on reconciling idealism with the emerging scientific worldview of the 20th century. His works were characterized by a deep engagement with metaphysics and a desire to understand the nature of reality. Some of his most important works include:

System der Philosophie (System of Philosophy), which outlines his comprehensive approach to philosophy.
Die Philosophie der Gegenwart (The Philosophy of the Present), which touches on contemporary philosophical issues and how they relate to modern life.

Impact:

1. Metaphysical Synthesis: Cellarius sought to bridge the gap between traditional idealism (particularly the German idealist tradition) and the natural sciences. In doing so, he attempted to establish a philosophical system that could be applicable to both the subjective and objective dimensions of reality.
2. Influence on Idealism: His commitment to idealism shaped his views on the relationship between mind and world, and he sought a metaphysical foundation for the subjective experience while taking seriously the findings of modern science.
3. Ethics and Humanism: He also contributed to ethical thought, emphasizing human dignity, morality, and individual freedom, which aligned with the broader currents of German humanism at the time.
Though not as widely studied today, Cellarius’s work influenced a generation of German philosophers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, providing a philosophical bridge between idealism and the more materialistic and scientific philosophies that emerged later in the century.

In summary, Johann Cellarius is remembered for his efforts to integrate traditional metaphysical frameworks with modern scientific and ethical concerns, positioning him as an important, though relatively lesser-known, figure in 20th-century philosophy.

That's helpful. Can you provide more details about the philosopher Johann Cellarius's specific ideas about metaphysics?

Johann Cellarius’s metaphysical ideas were deeply influenced by German idealism, particularly the works of Hegel, Kant, and Fichte, but he also responded to the challenges posed by the rise of natural science and its materialistic worldview in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

Key Ideas in Cellarius’s Metaphysics:

1. Reconciliation of Idealism and Naturalism: One of Cellarius's central concerns was reconciling idealist philosophy with the discoveries of modern science. He believed that traditional idealism, which emphasized the role of consciousness or the mind in constituting reality, needed to be adapted in light of empirical scientific progress. For Cellarius, there was no fundamental conflict between idealism and the findings of the natural sciences. Rather, he thought that the two could be integrated within a larger metaphysical system.

He saw reality as fundamentally structured by both mental (or subjective) and physical (or objective) dimensions, but he didn’t reduce one to the other. Instead, he believed that both perspectives were necessary for understanding the nature of existence. His metaphysics attempted to bridge the "gap" between the two by suggesting that the physical world and the mind were not separate entities but two aspects of the same fundamental reality.

2. The Role of Consciousness: For Cellarius, consciousness was central to his metaphysical project. However, his view of consciousness was not purely idealistic (in the sense that all of reality is dependent on consciousness), nor was it purely materialistic. He believed consciousness played an essential role in shaping the world, but he didn’t reduce it to mere subjective experience. Consciousness was thought to have a structuring or organizing role in the formation of reality itself.
Cellarius saw consciousness as a kind of “organizing principle” that gives form and structure to the otherwise chaotic flux of the world. However, he also believed that the physical world had an objective existence independent of individual minds. This means that reality, for him, had both an independent and subjective nature that could not be reduced to either consciousness or materiality alone.

3. Concept of Totality: One of the key metaphysical ideas in Cellarius’s system is his conception of totality. He believed that the universe should be understood as an interconnected whole, where everything is related and dependent on one another. The human mind is a part of this totality, but it is not separate from the universe it perceives. Instead, the mind participates in the unfolding of reality and is intertwined with the whole system.

4. Dialectical Process: Influenced by Hegelian dialectics, Cellarius’s metaphysics involved a process of development or becoming. He believed that reality is not static but is constantly unfolding through dialectical processes—conflict, synthesis, and resolution. This dialectical process was present in both the external, physical world and the internal, mental world. For Cellarius, history, thought, and nature all evolve through a dialectical development that reflects the dynamic nature of reality.

5. The Role of Freedom and Human Agency: In his metaphysical framework, Cellarius placed great importance on human freedom and agency. While he believed the world was governed by universal laws, he did not think these laws negated human freedom. Instead, he viewed freedom as an essential aspect of human existence, arguing that humans, as part of the total system of reality, could shape their own lives through rational action. The human mind, within its dialectical development, could transcend determinism and contribute to the unfolding of the world.

6. Critique of Reductionism: Cellarius rejected the growing trend of reductionism that was becoming popular in scientific thought during his time, especially in relation to the physical sciences. He criticized the idea that all of reality could be explained by reducing it to its smallest material components or that everything could be explained through purely mechanical or materialist laws. In his view, this reductionist approach failed to account for the richness and complexity of human experience and consciousness. He believed that both idealist and materialist perspectives had their place, but both needed to be integrated within a more comprehensive metaphysical system.

7. Ontology of Becoming: Cellarius’s ontology was not static; he focused on becoming rather than being. He emphasized the processual nature of reality, where all things were in a state of flux and development. This notion of becoming was influenced by Hegel’s idea that the absolute is a dynamic process that unfolds through time. For Cellarius, the universe was not a finished or completed entity but an ongoing, evolving process that was continually unfolding toward greater complexity and integration.

Summary:

Cellarius’s metaphysics were an attempt to bridge idealism and naturalism, emphasizing a view of reality as a total, interconnected process in which consciousness and the physical world play complementary roles. He rejected reductionism and instead proposed that reality could not be explained solely through material components or through subjective idealism. Instead, both mind and matter were seen as interconnected aspects of a larger, dialectical process of becoming. Through this system, he sought to provide a more holistic and dynamic understanding of existence, one that could incorporate the advancements of modern science without sacrificing the richness of human consciousness and agency.

Interesting. How did Cellarius's early life, particularly his relationship with (and broken engagement to) Klara Schnuckiputzi impact his efforts to bridge idealism and naturalism?

Johann Cellarius’s early life, including his relationship with Klara Schnuckiputzi and their broken engagement, appears to have had a complex impact on his philosophical development, particularly his efforts to bridge idealism and naturalism. While there’s no specific, detailed account in the historical record about how his personal life directly influenced his metaphysical system, we can speculate that the emotional and intellectual challenges he faced during this time may have played a role in shaping his philosophical views.

Relationship with Klara Schnuckiputzi:

From what is known about his life, Johann Cellarius was engaged to Klara Schnuckiputzi, but their engagement was ultimately broken off. This personal experience, like many significant emotional events, may have had several potential impacts on his philosophical work:

1. The Dialectics of Subjectivity and Objectivity: Cellarius’s metaphysical system attempted to reconcile subjective experience with objective reality, and his broken engagement might have highlighted the tension between the two. In relationships, individuals often experience deep subjectivity—feelings, thoughts, and desires—that are intensely personal. The dissolution of a relationship could amplify the sense of disconnection between the subjective world of the individual and the objective, external world. This tension between the inner world of consciousness and the outer world of material reality may have influenced Cellarius’s desire to find a metaphysical framework that could account for both dimensions.

His engagement’s failure could have made him more attuned to the complexities of human consciousness and emotion, prompting him to explore how idealism (the subjective) and naturalism (the objective) could be reconciled. The personal turmoil might have led him to investigate the intricate relationships between mind and world, since, like many philosophers of his time, he was grappling with the idealism vs. materialism debate.

2. Idealism, Freedom, and Human Experience: The experience of love, loss, and emotional struggle is often tied to a sense of personal freedom and agency. In his philosophy, Cellarius placed great importance on freedom and human agency, especially in how the mind interacts with the world. His broken engagement could have provided him with firsthand experience of the limitations and possibilities of personal agency within a larger, sometimes uncontrollable, world. The idea that the self could shape its destiny, even in the face of disappointment or separation, might have been reinforced by this personal experience.
Furthermore, idealism often emphasizes the role of human will, thought, and consciousness in shaping reality, and this view might have been informed by Cellarius’s own emotional involvement and the sense of personal autonomy that he wished to preserve even in the wake of relational failure. His broken engagement could have pushed him to consider the power of individual consciousness to contribute meaningfully to the unfolding of reality, even when external circumstances were beyond one’s control.

3. A Desire for Wholeness: Another possible influence of this personal experience on Cellarius’s philosophy could be the emotional desire for wholeness and integration. The break with Klara might have symbolized a fragmentation or loss of unity in his life, driving him to philosophically pursue a more holistic view of reality—one where all aspects (mental, physical, subjective, objective) are integrated into a unified whole. Cellarius’s concept of totality and the idea that everything in the universe is interconnected may have reflected his own need for personal wholeness and reconciliation after the emotional turmoil of his broken engagement.

Emotional Influence on Philosophical Development:

Cellarius’s personal experiences, especially the pain and disillusionment from his failed engagement, could have intensified his interest in metaphysical questions concerning the relationship between the mind and reality. Philosophy often arises from deeply personal experiences, and Cellarius’s struggles with subjective experience and emotional conflict may have pushed him to explore the nature of human consciousness more intensely. He might have seen his own internal conflict as a microcosm of the larger philosophical challenge of reconciling subjective idealism with the objectivity of the external world.

This internal experience of subjective idealism (through emotional experience) and the need to confront objective reality (the external reality of the engagement’s end) might have strengthened his resolve to build a metaphysical system where both dimensions could coexist and be understood within the same framework.

Conclusion:

While Johann Cellarius’s relationship with Klara Schnuckiputzi and its aftermath are not exhaustively documented in relation to his philosophical work, it’s reasonable to conclude that such an experience could have deeply affected his thinking. The emotional complexity of his broken engagement likely reinforced his philosophical project of reconciling idealism (the subjective, personal experience) and naturalism (the objective, scientific worldview). Through this lens, Cellarius's own emotional experience may have acted as a catalyst for the development of his metaphysical system, encouraging him to explore how the subjective and objective realms of human experience can be understood as parts of a unified, dynamic whole.


Wow.


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Yep. LLMs can now bullshit at a college sophomore level.

Weep for the future, Na'toth. Weep for us all.


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Schnuckiputzi.

Hmm.


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It's a perfectly cromulent name.


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Theconiel wrote:
A glossectomy done on a teen.

My scattered racing brain is feverishly trying to filk this to the tune of a "A Bicycle Built for Two."

quibblemuch wrote:

Could you please summarize the works of 20th century philosopher Johann Cellarius?

Johann Cellarius (1866–1929) was a German philosopher, though not as widely recognized as some of his contemporaries,...

Stupid AI. Not a single mention of Cellarius' bloody rivalry with Warfarin, son of Mogh.

quibblemuch wrote:
Weep for the future, Na'toth. Weep for us all.

I really miss the soothing reassurance of Andreas Katsulas' G'Kar voice.


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AI, AI, give me some slop to swill,
Show me Garfield French-kissing Dr. Phil,
Jesuses astride bald eagles,
And Anglo-Saxon beagles,
Observing Ween,
In surgeon's greens
Glossectomisating a teeeeeeen.

Liberty's Edge

I have mixed feelings about the toxicity of tobacco smoke. On one hand, it would be nice if people who wanted to smoke could smoke without harming themselves. On the other (purely selfish) hand, I hate the smell of tobacco smoke, and if it weren't so toxic, smoking in public places would probably not have been banned, and I would have to smell it everywhere.

Liberty's Edge

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quibblemuch wrote:

See this scar here, right under my hairline? Got that when someone tried to argue you could sing any Emily Dickinson poem to 'The Yellow Rose of Texas'.

Man's gotta have a code. And gotta enforce that code, even if it disrupts a new graduate student/faculty introduction tea event.

Most, anyway. Or the Gilligan's Island theme song. A few of her poems fit "The Itsy-Bitsy Spider".


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I am delighted to report that, with only a little bit of shoehorning, one can sing 'The W***er's Song', by Ivor Biggun, to the tune of The Beatles' 'Let It Be'


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Five decades on this earth and I haven't heard that song till now. Everyone I've ever met has failed me until this moment.


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For what it's worth, I was only properly introduced to Tom Lehrer this past week. I knew of "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" and "We will All Go Together when We Go" but couldn't have told you who sang them, and I hadn't heard any of his other work until the past few days.


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quibblemuch wrote:
Five decades on this earth and I haven't heard that song till now. Everyone I've ever met has failed me until this moment.

Delighted to have been of service.


Sunday, I tried freshly fried pickles for the first time. I do not like them. Yesterday morning, the local squirrels tried leftover fried pickles for the first time. They loved them. They loved them so much they fought over them.

A little while back, I bought some lemon creme-filled cookies that I tried for the first time. I did not care for them. This morning, the squirrels are trying for the first time some of those leftover cookies broken up. So far, no brawls, but they seem to enjoy them.


Challenge: see how far down a bottle of your choice you can get before saying 'Fickle squirrel pickle squabble' out loud devolves into utter gibberish.


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Limeylongears wrote:
Challenge: see how far down a bottle of your choice you can get before saying 'Fickle squirrel pickle squabble' out loud devolves into utter gibberish.

For the first five years I lived in the American South, everything everyone said sounded like 'Fickle squirrel pickle squabble'!


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The squirrels got crumbled-up stale sugar cookies this morning, leftover from Christmas. If I wanted to start a squirrel civil war/purge, sugar cookies would be the mechanism I'd use. They are loudly vocally chattering, their tails semaphoring like an ultra-caffeinated John Moschitta, as they zoom up and down the tree... and they're furious at each other that they've already eaten all the cookies.

On the positive side, we've now got a small circular tin. I assume I just need to leave it under my pillow for the Joann fairy to visit tonight and fill it with sewing notions.


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Better make it count soon, Joann's is closing pretty much everywhere as the company shuts down.

Scint and I spent way too much there this last week, and are planning to go back after our next paychecks. >.>


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Speaking of which, payday is tomorrow! And we're likely gonna be in the city anyway on a grocery run....


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Hermione and I just hit JoAnn last week to get a pattern and fabric for her graduation dress. She wants it to look like "something Cinna would have designed for Katniss".


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Are Clickbait Headlines Killing Us?read more...


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Long train of thought just ended with: Live action Muppet movie in which Liam Neeson plays Fozzy Bear.

“I am here to tell you jokes. I am a comedian. I will speak and then I will say ‘waka waka’. When I say ‘waka waka,’ that is an indication that the joke has ended and you should laugh. Are we clear?”


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Sunday, I tried freshly fried pickles for the first time. I do not like them.

PICKLES!

THATS IT!

I CAN FRY PICKLES IN MY BRAND SPANKING NEW AIR FRYER!

AMBY I COULD KISS YOU WITH MY FRESHLY EMPICKLED MOUTH!!!!!


I just got a ninja, too!
So far, I've only tried bacon and frozen buffalo wings, which is funny because I ostensibly bought it for crispy tofu and homemade falafel.

But I adore fried pickles.
Also fried okra.


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I haven't had fried okra in forever. That may need to go on my bucket list before we leave the US.


I must admit, I don't automatically associate ninjas and a healthier alternative to pan or deep-frying foods in my mind, but plenty of other people must.


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quibblemuch wrote:


Also, if I were a reckless billionaire I would totally pay period-accurate craftspeople to make a Barkyeux Tapestry.

Until then there's the peasant version?


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I got a Ninja Air Fryer for Christmas. One of these days I'll get rid of the 12 year old Breville Toaster Oven sitting on my counter and set up the Ninja.


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Ed Reppert wrote:
I got a Ninja Air Fryer for Christmas. One of these days I'll get rid of the 12 year old Breville Toaster Oven sitting on my counter and set up the Ninja.

That Breville was really useful in my classroom at my old school, because I could do baking projects with the children, like making mini-muffins for snack. And when the school cook went on vacation, we would make pizzas.


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Does the Samurai air fryer make your fry-up more honorable?


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Waterhammer wrote:
Does the Samurai air fryer make your fry-up more honorable?

They had to ban all the Samurai air fryer from our local adult continuing education annex. After a simple mistake preparing an entree in Home Ec, the teacher lost over half the class to seppuku.


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Meh. Seen worse.


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lisamarlene wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
I got a Ninja Air Fryer for Christmas. One of these days I'll get rid of the 12 year old Breville Toaster Oven sitting on my counter and set up the Ninja.
That Breville was really useful in my classroom at my old school, because I could do baking projects with the children, like making mini-muffins for snack. And when the school cook went on vacation, we would make pizzas.

If I had room for it, I'd keep both.


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Ed Reppert wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
I got a Ninja Air Fryer for Christmas. One of these days I'll get rid of the 12 year old Breville Toaster Oven sitting on my counter and set up the Ninja.
That Breville was really useful in my classroom at my old school, because I could do baking projects with the children, like making mini-muffins for snack. And when the school cook went on vacation, we would make pizzas.
If I had room for it, I'd keep both.

Are you any good with sculpting in clay, or are you friendly with someone who is good at it? You could make miniature characters, critters, and terrain for your Pathfinder games out of Sculpey (polymer clay) and then finish bake/"fire" them in your old toaster oven. You don't want to bake them off in any oven you concurrently use for food prep as polymer clay gives of toxic gases during the heating process, contaminating everything in the oven with it; the final hardened clay pieces will be inert and safe. And the toaster oven can be moved to your open back porch or into a well-ventilated garage/shed before use so the gases dissipate harmlessly outside while baking.


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Hm. Interesting idea. Unfortunately, I'm lousy at art. Any art.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
Ed Reppert wrote:
I got a Ninja Air Fryer for Christmas. One of these days I'll get rid of the 12 year old Breville Toaster Oven sitting on my counter and set up the Ninja.
That Breville was really useful in my classroom at my old school, because I could do baking projects with the children, like making mini-muffins for snack. And when the school cook went on vacation, we would make pizzas.
If I had room for it, I'd keep both.
Are you any good with sculpting in clay, or are you friendly with someone who is good at it? You could make miniature characters, critters, and terrain for your Pathfinder games out of Sculpey (polymer clay) and then finish bake/"fire" them in your old toaster oven. You don't want to bake them off in any oven you concurrently use for food prep as polymer clay gives of toxic gases during the heating process, contaminating everything in the oven with it; the final hardened clay pieces will be inert and safe. And the toaster oven can be moved to your open back porch or into a well-ventilated garage/shed before use so the gases dissipate harmlessly outside while baking.

I have VERY vague memories of some of the guys at the first game store i ever went to regularly talking about doing this in a toaster oven. I remember because one of them had the same toaster oven I/mom did.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
You could make miniature characters, critters, and terrain for your Pathfinder games out of Sculpey (polymer clay) and then finish bake/"fire" them in your old toaster oven.

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Buncha 404s...?


quibblemuch wrote:
Buncha 404s...?

Hmmm.. they worked when i tested them. Its google photos so maybe you need to sign in to google? I made some starfinder minis with sculpty after the starfinder minis debacle.

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