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What happens to the corpses raised by Animate Dead at the end of the adventure?
All spells and e ects end at the end of an adventure with the following exceptions.
Animate Dead isn't on the list of exceptions. I'm inclined to think that spells go away, leaving their targets as they were before being modified. So the Yak I spent 24gp on and later raise as a skeleton should go back to being a mundane skeleton as the Animate Dead wears off, right? As long as it didn't get destroyed during the adventure.
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You'd essentially have to purchase a new Yak every scenario and turn it into steaks/servant during the Venture Captain briefing.
Mmm... Yak steaks.
I recommend lots of ranks in Profession (chef). Only so much you can do with Yak.
There is a great Nepalese place here in St. Paul, MN called Everest on Grand that does a wonderful Yak Curry.
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Why do I need to buy a new Yak each time though? I own the Yak. If an effect ends, shouldn't the modified target go back to being the unmodified target?
Yes, the unmodified target being a dead yak. If you have the means to carry the dead yak around with you, you should be able to animate it again in future scenarios.
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"They remain animated until destroyed." It definitely Animate Dead's general rule, but due to to nature of PFS there has been a specific rule which ends the spell without a destruction to the undead. The effect ends, just that. Saying the effect ends and it's destroyed or the effect ends and it isn't recoverable is just assuming.
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Why do I need to buy a new Yak each time though? I own the Yak. If an effect ends, shouldn't the modified target go back to being the unmodified target?Yes, the unmodified target being a dead yak. If you have the means to carry the dead yak around with you, you should be able to animate it again in future scenarios.
Yes definitely planning on taking a deceased Yak around with me with unguents of timelessness or just carrying the bones.
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Just animate what comes along in the scenario.
I play an animating-focused Necromancer as well.
There's never a shortage of fodder, and it'll generally scale more effectively than a store bought pet being animated.
Casting Raise Dead every scenario is way more expensive than buying a new Yak every scenario.
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Just animate what comes along in the scenario.
I play an animating-focused Necromancer as well.
There's never a shortage of fodder, and it'll generally scale more effectively than a store bought pet being animated.
Casting Raise Dead every scenario is way more expensive than buying a new Yak every scenario.
I want to be prepared for that first combat! I wanna use my travel days to cast Animate Dead. I want my character to run smoothly and efficiently as possible.
Aaaaand I'm really asking for my friend the Wooly Rhinoceros.
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I want to be prepared for that first combat!
You're a Wizard. You excel at most combats anyways.
Levels 1-2 wand of magic missile.
Levels 3-4 cast snowball and glitterdust.
Levels 5-6 it's lightning bolt and fly on the Barbarian.
Levels 7-8 is the good stuff: boneshatter (print out the PDF page to prove ownership)
Levels 9-11 is when animate dead becomes truly competitive, interesting and fun.
I wanna use my travel days to cast Animate Dead.
It's just a standard action. I've sometimes done it in combat.
I want my character to run smoothly and efficiently as possible.
I recommend printing out the two templates and keeping blank index cards ready for sacrifice.
And bring something to represent every size of creature. Even Colossal.
Aaaaand I'm really asking for my friend the Wooly Rhinoceros.
By the time you can purchase one (7th level) you'll be encountering bigger and better things anyways.
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Aaaaand I'm really asking for my friend the Wooly Rhinoceros.By the time you can purchase one (7th level) you'll be encountering bigger and better things anyways.
Yes, assuredly so. But it's the best CR creature I can purchase and prove ownership of. I don't think my "equipment" should go poof when a spell wears off.
And the other advice is solid too, Nefreet! Thanks!
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There are no rules for how much the bones of any creature weighs. I'm not sure if the Yak stats give a,weight or not. But at least 500 to 600 for an adult female and up to 1300 for an adult male. That's a lot of weight for a wizard to easily or conveniently cart around short of a portable hole (which itself is fairly heavy for a wizard.)
I'm not going to give you weight credit for the bones, because there or no rules for it. So assume you have to accommodate the weight of the entire creature.
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Adventurer's Armory lists Yaks at 1,000 lbs.
And if the spell wears off, rather than the creature being killed, and you can figure out a way to carry 1,000 pounds reasonably, then I'll let you use the same Yak over and over. But if it gets destroyed in game play, that yak is gone and can't be raised again. Regardless of what put a creature into a state to be utterly destroyed, or created a creature in such a way, death and/or destruction does not go away at the end of a scenario.
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I don't see how holding on to the bones would help you. You've already animated them once. You couldn't animate them again.
That's why I was semi-sorta-not-really joking about doing a raise dead every scenario.
I suppose that hinges on the fact that only "A destroyed skeleton or zombie can’t be animated again." and the scenario ending isn't a destruction event, it's only a spell's effect ending event.
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Adventurer's Armory lists Yaks at 1,000 lbs.
And if the spell wears off, rather than the creature being killed, and you can figure out a way to carry 1,000 pounds reasonably, then I'll let you use the same Yak over and over. But if it gets destroyed in game play, that yak is gone and can't be raised again. Regardless of what put a creature into a state to be utterly destroyed, or created a creature in such a way, death and/or destruction does not go away at the end of a scenario.
A living Yak can drag the undead Yak, and I think Carts are CRB so those options should solve the weight.
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Your argument is that, since the spell effect doesn't persist beyond the Adventure, the bones can then be animated again, yes?
Then what you have at the end of the Adventure isn't a pile of reusable bones. You never purchased "pile of bones" on your ITS. What you have is a creature that began the Adventure as alive, which now has the Dead Condition.
That condition must then be resolved, or the purchase is crossed off your ITS. Resolving the Dead Condition requires at least a raise dead.
Just as if I had a diamond sword. I don't get to crush it during one Adventure, and claim during a following Adventure that I have diamond dust.
Are you wanting to pay for a raise dead every Adventure?
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Your argument is that, since the spell effect doesn't persist beyond the Adventure, the bones can then be animated again, yes?
Then what you have at the end of the Adventure isn't a pile of reusable bones. You never purchased "pile of bones" on your ITS. What you have is a creature that began the Adventure as alive, which now has the Dead Condition.
That condition must then be resolved, or the purchase is crossed off your ITS. Resolving the Dead Condition requires at least a raise dead.
Just as if I had a diamond sword. I don't get to crush it during one Adventure, and claim during a following Adventure that I have diamond dust.
Are you wanting to pay for a raise dead every Adventure?
Why would you have to resolve the death of a purchased Yak?
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Side note. Sometimes you run into NPC jerks that have tactics to cast Animate Dead on PCs that die.
After you've recovered from that once (expensive, I know), would you be immune to it in the future?
Well before you can be resurrected (yes, not raised), you'd have to be destroyed. Once resurrected , you essentially have a new body, which can then be killed and animated again.
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A living Yak can drag the undead Yak, and I think Carts are CRB so those options should solve the weight.Adventurer's Armory lists Yaks at 1,000 lbs.
And if the spell wears off, rather than the creature being killed, and you can figure out a way to carry 1,000 pounds reasonably, then I'll let you use the same Yak over and over. But if it gets destroyed in game play, that yak is gone and can't be raised again. Regardless of what put a creature into a state to be utterly destroyed, or created a creature in such a way, death and/or destruction does not go away at the end of a scenario.
Boy, that's going to be a fun discussion at the customs check point.
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Why would you have to resolve the death of a purchased Yak?Your argument is that, since the spell effect doesn't persist beyond the Adventure, the bones can then be animated again, yes?
Then what you have at the end of the Adventure isn't a pile of reusable bones. You never purchased "pile of bones" on your ITS. What you have is a creature that began the Adventure as alive, which now has the Dead Condition.
That condition must then be resolved, or the purchase is crossed off your ITS. Resolving the Dead Condition requires at least a raise dead.
Just as if I had a diamond sword. I don't get to crush it during one Adventure, and claim during a following Adventure that I have diamond dust.
Are you wanting to pay for a raise dead every Adventure?
Because all conditions, whether they're affecting you, your companion or a discount yak, must be cleared by the end of the Adventure.
I doubt any reasonable person would, which is the bigger point.
You had earlier said he could carry around the bones. I don't see any support for that approach, either (and I wouldn't accept it at my table).
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There was a thread once... a number of years back, where someone was trying to carry a set of bones from scenario to scenario (though it might have been a dragon skeleton, don't recall)...
That got nixed for the same reason.
Pretty sure Nefreet is correct.
Will see if I can locate it (my search foo is weak)...
I believe I recall that particular thread as well, although my specific memory of how it went is not as solid.
If I recall correctly, though, it wasn't carrying the bones of a creature you just purchased, but rather carrying the bones of a creature you raised from that scenario.
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Why would you have to resolve the death of a purchased Yak?Your argument is that, since the spell effect doesn't persist beyond the Adventure, the bones can then be animated again, yes?
Then what you have at the end of the Adventure isn't a pile of reusable bones. You never purchased "pile of bones" on your ITS. What you have is a creature that began the Adventure as alive, which now has the Dead Condition.
That condition must then be resolved, or the purchase is crossed off your ITS. Resolving the Dead Condition requires at least a raise dead.
Just as if I had a diamond sword. I don't get to crush it during one Adventure, and claim during a following Adventure that I have diamond dust.
Are you wanting to pay for a raise dead every Adventure?
Because all conditions, whether they're affecting you, your companion or a discount yak, must be cleared by the end of the Adventure.
I doubt any reasonable person would, which is the bigger point.
You had earlier said he could carry around the bones. I don't see any support for that approach, either (and I wouldn't accept it at my table).
That's a fair response. I'm not sure I would rule it similarly, but then I think we can both agree there would be a degree of table variation on this.
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Because all conditions, whether they're affecting you, your companion or a discount yak, must be cleared by the end of the Adventure.
I'm pretty sure the Guide just states your character has to resolve them...
Unless noted otherwise, all conditions gained during an adventure, including death, must be resolved before the end of the session. A condition in this context includes an affliction, a negative effect, or an effect that is intended to mechanically affect your character in a negative way. If such a condition isn’t resolved by the end of play, the character should be reported as dead and becomes unplayable.
I don't need to clear conditions on my items or companion creatures or purchased animals. If I don't resolve them, the GM should write on my chronicle that my sword is broken or horse is cursed or Yak is dead but that doesn't take away my ability to interact with those items and creatures later.
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There was a thread once... a number of years back, where someone was trying to carry a set of bones from scenario to scenario (though it might have been a dragon skeleton, don't recall)...
That got nixed for the same reason.
Pretty sure Nefreet is correct.
Will see if I can locate it (my search foo is weak)...
I believe I recall that particular thread as well, although my specific memory of how it went is not as solid.
If I recall correctly, though, it wasn't carrying the bones of a creature you just purchased, but rather carrying the bones of a creature you raised from that scenario.
Please post it if you find it!
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There was a thread once... a number of years back, where someone was trying to carry a set of bones from scenario to scenario (though it might have been a dragon skeleton, don't recall)...
That got nixed for the same reason.
Pretty sure Nefreet is correct.
Will see if I can locate it (my search foo is weak)...
I believe I recall that particular thread as well, although my specific memory of how it went is not as solid.
If I recall correctly, though, it wasn't carrying the bones of a creature you just purchased, but rather carrying the bones of a creature you raised from that scenario.
I have vague memories of this too, but I keep thinking it was about a purple worm corspe, and that you could not take your undead worm from scenario to scenario.
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I have vague memories of this too, but I keep thinking it was about a purple worm corspe, and that you could not take your undead worm from scenario to scenario.There was a thread once... a number of years back, where someone was trying to carry a set of bones from scenario to scenario (though it might have been a dragon skeleton, don't recall)...
That got nixed for the same reason.
Pretty sure Nefreet is correct.
Will see if I can locate it (my search foo is weak)...
I believe I recall that particular thread as well, although my specific memory of how it went is not as solid.
If I recall correctly, though, it wasn't carrying the bones of a creature you just purchased, but rather carrying the bones of a creature you raised from that scenario.
Purple Worm or as things start to come back from the recesses of my long term memory, possibly Elven Entanglement...
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Purple Worm or as things start to come back from the recesses of my long term memory, possibly Elven Entanglement...As I recall it was about a black dragon skeleton. I seem to recall posting some examples from other scenarios including the thing from elven entanglement and the purple worm that turns up inredacted. I will see if I can find it.
I looked all over and wow, I could not find a thing on it.
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"That condition must then be resolved, or the purchase is crossed off your ITS. Resolving the Dead Condition requires at least a raise dead."
Nefreet, is it your understanding that a character with, say, an intelligent sword with the broken condition must resolve that condition by the end of the scenario, or else the sword is gone?
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Not for the Broken Condition. That would obviously be troublesome for one particular Chronicle item. Broken is akin to hit point damage. It's assumed to be taken care of between Adventures.
Now if your intelligent sword were vaporized by a disintegrate, then yes, I'd ask that your sword be stricken from your ITS.
Same for a dead Yak (unless you're paying for its Raise).
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Not for the Broken Condition. That would obviously be troublesome for one particular Chronicle item. Broken is akin to hit point damage. It's assumed to be taken care of between Adventures.
Now if your intelligent sword were vaporized by a disintegrate, then yes, I'd ask that your sword be stricken from your ITS.
Same for a dead Yak (unless you're paying for its Raise).
If the Yak was vaporized, it should similarly be stricken from the ITS. But we aren't talking about a Vaporized Yak, we are discussing a Yak that is a corpse and therefore a legal target for a legal spell.
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Is the restriction that " A destroyed skeleton or zombie can’t be animated again." not, itself, an effect of the spell?
This being the case, would that restriction not cease when the spell arbitrarily 'ended' at the end of a scenario?
(The bigger issue is that, afaik, there is no "Yak Bones" item in any book that you can buy).
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Can someone show me why a spell wearing off is being assumed to destroy the target of the spell?
The spell is gone, poof, so we are left with the target of the spell, a corpse. The spell doesn't have any language to suggest it irrevocably changes the target of the spell, just that a destroyed skeleton can't be reanimated...
If the yak corpse become an undead and was destroyed, it should be assuredly stricken from the ITS.
But if it survived the encounter and at the end the Animate Dead wore off, we are just left with a yak corpse.
If I had Masterwork Transformation cast twice in a scenario, once on my silver long sword and once on my cold iron long sword, and st the end of the scantily I decided to keep the spell effect on the cold iron one, is my silver sword similarly destroyed? No, I'd say it just a goes back to becoming what it was before the spell affected it because the effect wears off.
The effect of Animate Dead is turning a corpse into an undead. When Animate Dead wears off (due to the super duper between scenarios dispel event) we have the corpse as it was before the spell affected it.
