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*Causally pulls out the Phantom Burglar's wallet*

Indeed it did.


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Also Naderi I think from the way it was written went from NEutral good to Neutral. And urgotha is trying to make her more supportive of undead.

One thing I don't remember is a rouge inevitable.


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hellatze wrote:

a demon create a baby, a baby demon who born in middle of forest.

however the baby prophesied to bring the end of universe. you happened to be there. tasked to kill the baby.

what are you gonna do ?

kill baby to save the world. or save the baby.

In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...

In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.

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HWalsh wrote:

In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...

In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.

To reiterate, as several stories of fallen celestials and risen fiends demonstrate this is not strictly true in Golarion. At all.

Such situations are rare and often involve someone influencing the Outsider in question...but a baby seems like a situation tailor made to allow exactly that.


Deadmanwalking wrote:
HWalsh wrote:

In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...

In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.

To reiterate, as several stories of fallen celestials and risen fiends demonstrate this is not strictly true in Golarion. At all.

Such situations are rare and often involve someone influencing the Outsider in question...but a baby seems like a situation tailor made to allow exactly that.

They require divine intervention. That's not a normal situation.

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HWalsh wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:
HWalsh wrote:

In Golarion prophesy doesn't work. So I'm not worried about that. On the other hand...

In Golarion an outsider, aka a Demon, has a proscriptive alignment. This means it can't be good, or neutral, and is evil. This is unavoidable. So, destroy the demon. Regardless of the situation. Demons are evil and must be destroyed. It's not a "baby" it's a demon.

To reiterate, as several stories of fallen celestials and risen fiends demonstrate this is not strictly true in Golarion. At all.

Such situations are rare and often involve someone influencing the Outsider in question...but a baby seems like a situation tailor made to allow exactly that.

They require divine intervention. That's not a normal situation.

According to The Redemption Engine, no they actually don't.

It's an extremely rare occurrence for sure, but evil outsiders can change alignment.


Well it's a baby demon. Baby doesn't imply mortal, just young, So it's both baby and demon. So evil baby.


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We're not told it's a baby demon, just that it's a baby that a demon made. Just like a non-owlbear Wizard can create an owlbear, a demon can create a non-demon.

In fact, since demons do not reproduce biologically, assuming the thing in the woods is "a baby" implies that it is not, in fact, a demon as there are no baby demons.


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Wouldn't this be a half fiend baby?

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HWalsh wrote:
They require divine intervention. That's not a normal situation.

Please read the whole thread, we've already had this argument. Cliff notes version:

1. Looking at what Desna actually did in that specific instance, I'm pretty sure non-deities can do every single thing she actually did.

2. As noted, The Redemption Engine includes a risen fiend with a very explicit backstory that does not involve deific intervention.

3. Nothing in the rules even implies that you need deific or even magical intervention to do this. All it says is that it's rare.


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doctor_wu wrote:
Wouldn't this be a half fiend baby?

If they did it the traditional way, sure. But "created" suggests to me something like "The demon crafted a baby out of clay and through magic and miracle granted it life" or something similar.


This hypothetical baby is now in kindergarten. Where did the time go...?

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