Hi zainale,
Common mistake (or at least one I made when I first started) AoO's are provoked by moving out of a threatened square, not by moving into one.
Form PRD:
"Provoking an Attack of Opportunity: Two kinds of actions can provoke attacks of opportunity: moving out of a threatened square and performing certain actions within a threatened square.
Moving: Moving out of a threatened square usually provokes attacks of opportunity from threatening opponents. There are two common methods of avoiding such an attack—the 5-foot step and the withdraw action."
EDIT: added emphasis to quote
Entering your square DOES provoke an AoO, that that is like if the tiny fairy moves into your square to attack you. It it never used for when a medium human walks next to another medium human and attacks.
so size matters?
Doesn't it always? Anyways:
Very small creatures take up less than 1 square of space. This means that more than one such creature can fit into a single square. A Tiny creature typically occupies a space only 2-1/2 feet across, so four can fit into a single square. 25 Diminutive creatures or 100 Fine creatures can fit into a single square. Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can't reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent's square to attack in melee. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent. You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally. Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them. You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity. They also can't flank an enemy.
So Chess Pwn means a tiny fairy must enter the space you occupy if they want to attack you. To do so, they must move OUT of the square adjacent to you, which you threaten, so an AoO is triggered.
so size matters?Doesn't it always? Anyways:
Very small creatures take up less than 1 square of space. This means that more than one such creature can fit into a single square. A Tiny creature typically occupies a space only 2-1/2 feet across, so four can fit into a single square. 25 Diminutive creatures or 100 Fine creatures can fit into a single square. Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can't reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent's square to attack in melee. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent. You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally. Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them. You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity. They also can't flank an enemy.So Chess Pwn means a tiny fairy must enter the space you occupy if they want to attack you. To do so, they must move OUT of the square adjacent to you, which you threaten, so an AoO is triggered.
Well not just that. Moving out of a threatened square, and moving into my square are 2 separate AoO generating actions.
Well not just that. Moving out of a threatened square, and moving into my square are 2 separate AoO generating actions.so size matters?Doesn't it always? Anyways:
Very small creatures take up less than 1 square of space. This means that more than one such creature can fit into a single square. A Tiny creature typically occupies a space only 2-1/2 feet across, so four can fit into a single square. 25 Diminutive creatures or 100 Fine creatures can fit into a single square. Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can't reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent's square to attack in melee. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent. You can attack into your own square if you need to, so you can attack such creatures normally. Since they have no natural reach, they do not threaten the squares around them. You can move past them without provoking attacks of opportunity. They also can't flank an enemy.So Chess Pwn means a tiny fairy must enter the space you occupy if they want to attack you. To do so, they must move OUT of the square adjacent to you, which you threaten, so an AoO is triggered.
So combat reflexes and tiny fairy charging you from far away would be 2 AoOs then (assuming you have 5ft reach)? Or does moving into your square follow the "no more than one AoO for a single movement" rule?
EDIT: So according to that faq, the rule above does apply to this (It shouldn't though). A charging fairy only provokes once.
Yeah. Problem here is unclear actions in the example.
Leaving a threatened square and entering the square of a creature are both things which provoke separately.
So if a tiny fairy left a square adjacent to a medium creature (with combat reflexes) and entered the medium creatures square, the medium creature would get two attacks of opportunity.
Assuming two medium creatures instead (and no need to enter the opponents square to attack) as long as the creature doesn't leave a threatened square it doesn't provoke. So with two medium creatures one can in fact walk up the other (not even worrying about 5ft steps) and attack without provoking an AoO. If a reach weapon was involved, the reach user would threaten out to 10ft and the other creature would provoke an attack to reach an adjacent square (unless it used 5ft steps, and the creature with reach didn't also 5ft step away).
That FAQ actually just says it would only provoke once for entering the opponents square, which I had forgotten existed.
It still doesn't really address the OP's question, which is unclear.
oh right, I forget that FAQ, I think it's a silly rule as I'm not sure their reasoning for saying it's the same as moving out of a square. Because 5ft stepping still provokes it.
oh right, I forget that FAQ, I think it's a silly rule as I'm not sure their reasoning for saying it's the same as moving out of a square. Because 5ft stepping still provokes it.
Yep, its a weird FAQ. They should have made it two completely separate AoO, or just said the act of stepping into another creatures square provokes because you are leaving a threatened square. That is the AoO for moving into a opponent square is the same one as leaving the threatened square. IMO.
But, tiny creatures can't have nice things, so here we are... :)
The medium creature vs tiny creature disparity is real.
I think the FAQ is basically treating the player as having a reach weapon in terms of their smaller forms. Just like a medium creature against a long spear would provoke by running right in, so would the tiny creature against, say, a short sword.
So in that sense it's one AOO and I get that logic.
But a 5' step should negate it then in that case, but doesn't...
adjacent to you, which you threaten, so an AoO is triggered.Well not just that. Moving out of a threatened square, and moving into my square are 2 separate AoO generating actions.
Nope. The movement is still one action.
Tiny and smaller creatures: In the section on Tiny and smaller creatures, it says that entering a creature’s space provokes an attack of opportunity, but typically 5-foot steps don’t provoke an attack of opportunity. If a Tiny or smaller creature took a 5-foot step into a creature’s space, would it provoke an attack of opportunity?
Yes. Even with a 5-foot step, a Tiny or smaller creature entering a creature’s space provokes an attack of opportunity (unless it is using a more specific ability to avoid the attack of opportunity such as the Monkey Shine feat). This doesn’t mean that a Tiny or smaller creature entering a creature’s space and moving out of a threatened square with a move action provokes two attacks of opportunity from that creature, for the same reason that moving out of multiple of a creature’s threatened squares in the same move action doesn’t provoke two attacks of opportunity.
The simplest rule to parse all that is that a 5 foot step won't negate the aoo in this circumstance, and that's it. Its still an AoO for moving
out of a threatened square.
no not small. small or tiny creatures can't kill you in one hit. *barring extreme power builds* being able to use AoO to deter beings from surrounding and KOing a PC in the first round. this is a small PC being surrounded by medium creatures.
This is not a entering your box question but a entering the area around your box that you threaten *aka the red zone* were enemies have to be to kill you and you can kill them.
So a monster runs at you and enters your red zone with the intent to do bodily harm. does that reckless attack provoke an attack of opportunity?
I understand if a warrior runs att you with his weapon drawn but as he gets close enough. he slows down and enters your red zone with caution. you don't get an attack of opportunity.
all that aside how many size categories must something be before a being is able to be able to enter its space? is it 2 size categories?
In that case no AoO is generated. AoO's in this case only occur when you leave a threatened square, not when you enter one.
3 size category difference to enter another creatures square.
have the front line kill stuff, fly, be invisible, move and cast to keep distance, summon extra meatshields to get in their way, have the front line frontline.
that's a shame then because my GM's favorite tactic for my spellcaster is to have as many monsters surround her and block off escape then to attack into unconsciousness so she can't do anything to help with combat. and it also seems like a huge flaw in combat. you don't get a chance to protect yourself from someone rushing into your space. but you get to poke them if they are carelessly run away from you. which is countered by statically retreating or five-foot stepping away.
how would you stop your enemies from swarming (overrunning with numbers) your support spellcaster(lvl 7 debuffer witch)? help a guy out because this is the tactic my GM uses every combat. Surround, pervent escape, beat into KO, then leave alive and move on to attacking the rest of the party.
You're a Witch lvl 7 : Take the fly hex, fly is very good to repostion yourself... Take the Fly spell... Fly is good for you... Fly is your best friend...Go go Fly :p
You can use the spell Storm Step to go through you're oppponent and damage them...
You also can use the spell Dimension Dorr to escape...
Being a caster is the easiest way to get out of harm way... ;)