most damage from a bashing shield?

[Sir Gallhand]

It looks as if for a medium creature the most damage I can get is 2d6 Plus my modifiers ( large steel shield with spikes and bashing quality). Any otherways to raise that?

[Melkiador]

Unfortunately, those don't stack anymore. The development team really hates and misunderstands shields.

[Dragonchess Player]

Enlarge person (or other size-increasing magic) and lead blades (or making the shield an impact weapon).

[Sir Gallhand]

Impact? I didn't think you could give a shield weapon qualities.

[Scott Wilhelm]

Sir Gallhand wrote:

Impact? I didn't think you could give a shield weapon qualities.

You can. Shields are Weapons, too. You can enchant a shield as a protective device, and also enchant them as "weapons in their own right."

Impact has the same problem as Bashing, though. Shield Spikes are considered Virtual Size Increases, just like Bashing and Impact, and Virtual Size Increases do not stack.

[Scott Wilhelm]

Melkiador wrote:

Unfortunately, those don't stack anymore. The development team really hates and misunderstands shields.

It seems the concept of "Virtual Size Increase" sort of emerged from their rules as an unintended consequence. And Shield Spikes' language "as if it were 1 size bigger" was never intended as such. But after VSI emerged, they seized upon the language of Shield Spikes to nerf shields.

But then they forgot to do the same thing with the Klar, and for a time, one might have used Thunder and Fang with a Bashing Klar that did as much damage as the Earthbreaker did, since the description of it in Ultimate Equipment was as a "Light Shield with Armor Spikes." They missed that in the major revision of Ultimate Equipment, and then they had to fix it with an FAQ.

I claim personal credit for forcing the change.

Meanwhile, you can still Shield Bash to devastating effect. With the Shield Slam Feat, you get a Free Bull Rush with every Shield Bash. With Greater Bull Rush, you give out Attacks of Opportunity whenever you Bull Rush victims out of Threatened Squares. With Paired Opportunist, you get an AoO, too. You might make that AoO another Shield Bash, which would trigger more Bull Rushing and more AoOs looping for as long as your Combat Reflexes last. Or you might just make your AoO a smack with your Earthbreaker.

If you were a Phalanx Soldier, you could Shield Bash with 1 hand and use a Pole Arm in the other, bashing your opponents 10' from you to be tenderized by your Lucerne Hammer. You could Great Cleave, hitting everyone both 5' and 10' away. Or you might use a Spiked Shield in 1 hand and a Halberd in the other, using Hamatula Strike to skewer your opponnets and do extra damage with Armor Spikes.

Meanwhile for all their nerfing of Shield Bashing, there is still no reason why you can't put the Bashing Enchantment on your Throwing Shield and do 2d6 Damage/hit that way!

[BigNorseWolf]

Bashing and shield spikes won't stack. They are both effective size increases

Enlarge person will. Giant form would be taking that to the next level.

Vital strike will make it hurt more.

[Chromantic Durgon <3]

Sheild champion brawlers?

[Sir Gallhand]

Does is star somewhere in raw that you can attach weapon enhancements to a shield if that's the case I'll just make it a holy bashing shield. We have always played at our table that shields only qualify for the limited echantments designated to them.

[Scott Wilhelm]

Sir Gallhand wrote:

Does is star somewhere in raw that you can attach weapon enhancements to a shield if that's the case I'll just make it a holy bashing shield. We have always played at our table that shields only qualify for the limited echantments designated to them.

Yeah.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/shield-spikes/

Shield Spikes wrote:

An enhancement bonus on a spiked shield does not improve the effectiveness of a shield bash made with it, but a spiked shield can be made into a magic weapon in its own right.

Source: Core Rulebook

[Sir Gallhand]

So I can have a holy bashing shield? If so my paladin should be set lol.

[therealthom]

Scott Wilhelm wrote:

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I claim personal credit for forcing the change.

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Now we know who to blame!

[KahnyaGnorc]

3rd Party time!

Half-Giant Pathwalker archetype of Psychic Warrior with Primal Warrior Stance and Augmented Expansion . . . Large shield (Powerful Build) with 2 virtual size increases (stance) and 2 real size increases (Augmented Expansion). Boom.

[Dragonchess Player]

Sir Gallhand wrote:

So I can have a holy bashing shield? If so my paladin should be set lol.

Yes. However, it would more accurately be a +X bashing (armor)/+Y holy (weapon) item; you would need to calculate the market price of the armor (shield) enhancement/abilities separately from the weapon enhancement/abilities. Also, the enhancement bonus to the shield's protective ability is not applied as an enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls; you need a separate weapon enhancement bonus to add the holy ability.

For instance, a +3 bashing/+1 holy shield would have a market price of 16,000 gp (for the +3 bashing) + 18,000 gp (for the +1 holy) + the price of the shield.

[Scott Wilhelm]

therealthom wrote:

Scott Wilhelm wrote:

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I claim personal credit for forcing the change.

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Now we know who to blame!

Yeah, the Klar threads were real high drama, and it went on for years. A whole lot of people HATED what I was saying, but I comprehensively proved that a Bashing Klar did 2d6 over all their bellicose objections. So Paizo changed it.

I also forced rules changes for the Amulet of Mighty Fists, which used to augment your Grapple Check, the Bodyguard Feat, which used to work with Paired Opportunist to grant real Attacks of Opportunity, and I think I helped force the nerfing of the Spiked, Bashing Shield in the first place, citing the Scarred Wanderer in the NPC Codex as--for a time--the latest official rules source regarding how Shield Spikes were to interact with the Bashing Enchantment, although credit must go to Mark Seifter for showing me that NPC in the first place. I might have had something to do with nerfing the Potion Glutton Feat.

Honestly, I dont' care what the rule are so long as I know what they are. Just like everybody I've seen play Pathfinder Society, I aim to use the rules creatively and agressively to create create powerful characters. When they change the rules, and I can always find some other way to get what I want.

[Inlaa]

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Meanwhile, you can still Shield Bash to devastating effect. With the Shield Slam Feat, you get a Free Bull Rush with every Shield Bash. With Greater Bull Rush, you give out Attacks of Opportunity whenever you Bull Rush victims out of Threatened Squares. With Paired Opportunist, you get an AoO, too. You might make that AoO another Shield Bash, which would trigger more Bull Rushing and more AoOs looping for as long as your Combat Reflexes last. Or you might just make your AoO a smack with your Earthbreaker.

I have a build using Siegebreaker, Barbarian, and some other stuff that does the following:

You make as many shield bash attacks as you have iterative attacks, aye? So, you two-hand a shield and smack a dude. This triggers Shield Slam, which means you get a free bull rush attempt, dealing STR-based damage and stuff. But you also have the Bulette Style line of feats, so you also trigger a free overrun, dealing more STR-based damage...

Now, swing your shield multiple times and you get a free bull rush and overrun for each one, dealing a crapload of damage.

[James Risner]

I'll add that I was involved in rallying support for two issues that had FAQ answers yet a select few (Scott among or maybe a solo individual) wouldn't accept the FAQ. So in these two cases we had to burn a weekly Friday FAQ to point blank get "answered in FAQ" with a link to existing FAQ.

The Spiked Shield of Bashing original FAQ came from a spiked shield thread that got the question asked altered to be broad. As a result, some said it no longer covered Spiked Bashing being broadened. Turns out in the follow up FAQ that didn't change anything, it did. The other notable one is Ranged Sneak Attack from Flanking position was answered with Gang Up FAQ. It needed to be answered again with a new FAQ that said answered in Gang Up FAQ.

[Chris Lambertz]

Removed a handful of personally abusive/derailing posts. Unless you're providing the original poster with advice or clarification, leave it out of the thread.